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The future of USU trying to schedule UTAH
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It's been a long time since we were in the same conference as Utah, yet we managed to play them every year in both football and basketball. It's too bad that conference affiliation and the desire to schedule wins would cause one of the oldest rivalries in college athletics to die. Give me any excuse you want, Utah, but the two major state schools should play each other, especially given the century of history.
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I'd like to know what the economic impact to the state of Utah is for a HH with Utah/USU vs a HH with an out of state school like Fresno or Northern Ill.
Less travel costs for both schools, more visiting fans traveling, if there is a big difference, the legislature should make it happen even though that will never happen.
Less travel costs for both schools, more visiting fans traveling, if there is a big difference, the legislature should make it happen even though that will never happen.
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I understand the reasons for Hill's avoidance of scheduling USU in favor of a perennial MAC contender in a geographic area where the Utes don't recruit, even if I don't agree with them. But we have at least two things in common that should enter into his thinking, if they haven't already:
1. Over 100 years of tradition
2. That both schools' football zenith (at least since USU's glorious '60s and the Jack Curtice era on the hill) has been in the MWC, and that will continue to be true for probably the next, say, 30 years.
1. Over 100 years of tradition
2. That both schools' football zenith (at least since USU's glorious '60s and the Jack Curtice era on the hill) has been in the MWC, and that will continue to be true for probably the next, say, 30 years.
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I think a lot of you are making conclusions that just aren't so.
1. A lot of things had to be moved to allow Utah to play Michigan this year. BYU was one and Utah State was another.
Utah had to buy out of the USU game because they had to find another home game or Utah would end up playing 7 road games this year. They bought out the USU in Logan game and scheduled FSU to play here this year and in Fresno next year.
2. While I don't think Utah is going to ask for 2-1's with USU, I don't think they will attempt to schedule USU every year like they had before. The blunt truth is that Utah has 3 OOC games to play. Until it comes down that they can't count an FCS team towards one of the six wins towards bowl eligibility they will schedule an FCS team. (Next year being the exception) After that they will prioritize playing BYU which leaves one game that they could use to schedule somebody else. Some years it will most likely be USU but they aren't going to lock down a 11 games a year with the same teams. The best opportunity for this to happen is either for the Pac-12 to go to 8 conference games or for the P5 to say they can't count FCS wins anymore.
USU is a solid football team and has done some good things over the past few years. However, when you start using the "afraid to play us" card it makes you sound like BYU.
Basketball was a different story and basically it was there was no benefit for a struggling Utah team to go up to Logan and get their face beat in. Sounds like it make take a different tune shortly but I have no idea what will happen with basketball.
1. A lot of things had to be moved to allow Utah to play Michigan this year. BYU was one and Utah State was another.
Utah had to buy out of the USU game because they had to find another home game or Utah would end up playing 7 road games this year. They bought out the USU in Logan game and scheduled FSU to play here this year and in Fresno next year.
2. While I don't think Utah is going to ask for 2-1's with USU, I don't think they will attempt to schedule USU every year like they had before. The blunt truth is that Utah has 3 OOC games to play. Until it comes down that they can't count an FCS team towards one of the six wins towards bowl eligibility they will schedule an FCS team. (Next year being the exception) After that they will prioritize playing BYU which leaves one game that they could use to schedule somebody else. Some years it will most likely be USU but they aren't going to lock down a 11 games a year with the same teams. The best opportunity for this to happen is either for the Pac-12 to go to 8 conference games or for the P5 to say they can't count FCS wins anymore.
USU is a solid football team and has done some good things over the past few years. However, when you start using the "afraid to play us" card it makes you sound like BYU.
Basketball was a different story and basically it was there was no benefit for a struggling Utah team to go up to Logan and get their face beat in. Sounds like it make take a different tune shortly but I have no idea what will happen with basketball.
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NavyBlueAggie wrote:The man has a point my fellow Aggies. It's sports business, and it tragically appears one of the longest running rivalries in the nation is sliding into the sunset. When Utah plays BYU it's a big time conference (PAC12) against a national name brand (BYU). I don't like this one bit and in a few years we will know much about the status of playing the Utes in anything.Postiez wrote:Tetonkatest wrote:Utah is an athletics program of pussies.
So much anger in this thread!!!
Remember when were down in football and Utah continued to play us home and home and the Y demanded 2-1, 3-1 or not at all? Historically speaking, Utah has been way more decent to USU than the church school in Provo. I wish events were different, but this is the hand we are holding, and frankly we hold a decent hand for a change.
My good friend. You kind of have a point, but it doesn't fly with many of us because of the Fresno and NI games they scheduled. When they scheduled those games, both schools were considered tougher competition than USU. When you consider who they are scheduling for OOC games....seems to me that a long time, in state rival trumps those other guys, AND prepares them better for their conference games. And probably brings in more revenue, and if not, excitement. Just remember what those condescending ewet fans have told us all these years, and there should be no reason for them to fear us. IMHO I don't see where the U has been better to us than that self righteous school that nobody likes but themselves over the years. I never cheer for either one of them to win. To me...equals.
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The real tragedy, which as been mentioned, is that the 12th most played rivalry in all of College Football is dead because the Utes of the PAC12 want to schedule Fresno and NIU instead of USU. As one who appreciates history and tradition, it's sad that Hill and the Utes of the PAC12 don't see or care about that.
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I would like to play Utah as often as possible. My dad is a Ute, it's been a fun rivalry and I think for the most part, they root for us and we root for them when we're not matched up against one another (although I know that has changed for a lot of Aggies because of the Pac 12 (over)exposure). BUT, just like us, they are saying that they want to try to compete for a conference championship. We all know that they are in a MUCH tougher conference than us. It is very beneficial for USU to schedule OOC games in which we will likely be underdogs because a good performance will give us some publicity, and a win would be huge for the program. On the flipside, the Utes don't have any benefit scheduling what may be a "toss up" game with a non-P5 opponent. They are better off getting a big game (Michigan) or a game they will likely win and not risk wearing their team down (FS/NIU) entering a guantlet conference schedule.QuackAttackAggie wrote:He has admitted that.JSHarvey wrote:RE: Postiez
There would be a lot less anger if the Utes just fessed up and said we don't want to play USU because the risk is too high and the payoff too low.
But Hill makes up silly excuses which his own actions the next week prove to be complete and utter falsehoods.
Utah could easily schedule both USU and BYU if it just alternated them year by year. *BUT* that would expose the Utah to losing a game ever year that they "should" win - the potential negatives of that potential loss outweigh all other considerations in Hill's book - therefore he runs away and makes up lies in an attempt provide a justification.
Hill should just "man-up" and admit that they don't want to risk playing us. So ya the term "pussies" fits pretty much perfectly.
"Hill said it’s a matter of figuring out a non-conference schedule that doesn’t become so intense and difficult that the team isn’t prepared for a successful conference season.
The challenge is finding a balance to build momentum for league play — Hill said success in conference play is what it’s all about — and doing the right thing for Utah’s rivalries and fans, as well as other variables."
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I can see both sides, but I understand that making USU a scheduling priority is a high risk/no reward proposition for the Utes in many instances.
All that being said, it would be awesome if we could fit into an every other year schedule that would alternate USU and BYU like many have described. Just my $0.02
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I would ideally like Utah to schedule USU on some consistent basis whether that is 2 on 2 off or every other year but I definately don't want to see Utah (or USU for that matter) scheduling BYU. I like our players way too much to subject them to BYUs dirty play.
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On this ^ we can all certainly agree.Postiez wrote:I definately don't want to see Utah (or USU for that matter) scheduling BYU. I like our players way too much to subject them to BYUs dirty play.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Postiez wrote:I would ideally like Utah to schedule USU on some consistent basis whether that is 2 on 2 off or every other year but I definately don't want to see Utah (or USU for that matter) scheduling BYU. I like our players way too much to subject them to BYUs dirty play.
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When Utah is reportedly offering USU a 3-for-1 scheduling deal (3 games in SLC, 1 in Logan), I'll take scheduling BYU over Utah any day.Postiez wrote:I would ideally like Utah to schedule USU on some consistent basis whether that is 2 on 2 off or every other year but I definately don't want to see Utah (or USU for that matter) scheduling BYU. I like our players way too much to subject them to BYUs dirty play.
At least USU can get a 1-and-1 annual deal with BYU, and it is a sellout for us.
Screw Utah. Let them schedule MAC teams from now on, like they are trending in doing.
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Interesting. Where was that reported?Tetonkatest wrote:When Utah is reportedly offering USU a 3-for-1 scheduling deal (3 games in SLC, 1 in Logan), I'll take scheduling BYU over Utah any day.Postiez wrote:I would ideally like Utah to schedule USU on some consistent basis whether that is 2 on 2 off or every other year but I definately don't want to see Utah (or USU for that matter) scheduling BYU. I like our players way too much to subject them to BYUs dirty play.
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What do you mean, "follow"? The last few agreements with byu have been 2-for-1s. The current deal with byu was originally a 2-for-1 and the only reason USU eventually got another game in Logan was byu desperately needed opponents in November.Aglicious wrote:Going 2 for 1 is not only about respect, it is about setting precedence as well. The minute we give in to Utah on this, it is guaranteed that BYU will be soon to follow and this will be the model moving forward.
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True, Bronco said to the newspapers, "I like the two for ones, that works well for me." He was quoted as saying something like that. He's a prick. I've never heard any reports of Utah wanting to do 3-for-1's or even 2-for-1's. They just don't want to play us right now. I am in the group of not understanding why they would agree to home and home series with NIU and Fresno, seeing as how we are on about the same level as those to programs (or at least we were last year when the games were scheduled). I would like to see the series continued.Servo wrote:What do you mean, "follow"? The last few agreements with byu have been 2-for-1s. The current deal with byu was originally a 2-for-1 and the only reason USU eventually got another game in Logan was byu desperately needed opponents in November.Aglicious wrote:Going 2 for 1 is not only about respect, it is about setting precedence as well. The minute we give in to Utah on this, it is guaranteed that BYU will be soon to follow and this will be the model moving forward.