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DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
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DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I'm not a scout, a coach, or a basketball professional of any kind, so I might be missing the appeal of DeAngelo Isby. All I notice is that when he gets the ball, whatever else is happening on offense stops. And when he's on the defensive end, he doesn't seem to inconvenience himself much. At best he's more of a breather guy for Brown and Brito. What am I missing?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Not much in my opinion. When he gets the ball he has one goal in mind....shoot the ball no matter what.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I don't think he's a wasted scholarship at all; he's third on the team in scoring and anyone who can put up numbers like he has on a few occasions is worth the risk. However, he's extremely hot and cold from game to game, more so than anyone I can remember playing here. After scoring between 11 and 18 points in 5 of our first 6 games, he's only done that once since; every other game has been either 24 or more points or 8 or fewer points.
To Duryea's credit, ever since the Valpo game he seems to have been able to recognize early in each game whether Isby is having a good night or a bad night and has allocated minutes accordingly, with 12 or so minutes on bad nights and 27+ minutes on good nights.
I certainly can't explain the variance in his performance from game to game, but from a pure talent standpoint he's the kind of player we need to have coming off the bench to score with our second unit. Hopefully he figures it out soon.
To Duryea's credit, ever since the Valpo game he seems to have been able to recognize early in each game whether Isby is having a good night or a bad night and has allocated minutes accordingly, with 12 or so minutes on bad nights and 27+ minutes on good nights.
I certainly can't explain the variance in his performance from game to game, but from a pure talent standpoint he's the kind of player we need to have coming off the bench to score with our second unit. Hopefully he figures it out soon.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
aggieguy13 wrote: ↑January 11th, 2018, 11:02 amI don't think he's a wasted scholarship at all; he's third on the team in scoring and anyone who can put up numbers like he has on a few occasions is worth the risk. However, he's extremely hot and cold from game to game, more so than anyone I can remember playing here. After scoring between 11 and 18 points in 5 of our first 6 games, he's only done that once since; every other game has been either 24 or more points [twice] or 8 or fewer points [seven times.] Also worth noting: half the game is played at the defensive end, where he seems happy to be a spectator.
To Duryea's credit, ever since the Valpo game he seems to have been able to recognize early in each game whether Isby is having a good night or a bad night and has allocated minutes accordingly, with 12 or so minutes on bad nights and 27+ minutes on good nights.
I certainly can't explain the variance in his performance from game to game, but from a pure talent standpoint he's the kind of player we need to have coming off the bench to score with our second unit. Hopefully he figures it out soon.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I'm well aware of his struggles; I'm not arguing that he's an all-conference player or even a starter at the moment, I'm just saying that he's talented enough to not be considered a wasted scholarship.
I do wish that he would commit himself to having a positive impact on the game even when his shot isn't falling by playing better defense. He seems like one of those players that has spent his whole basketball life being directed to score boatloads of points because of how talented he is on that end of the floor and not really having to worry about defense. It can be a tough mindset to get out of.
I do wish that he would commit himself to having a positive impact on the game even when his shot isn't falling by playing better defense. He seems like one of those players that has spent his whole basketball life being directed to score boatloads of points because of how talented he is on that end of the floor and not really having to worry about defense. It can be a tough mindset to get out of.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
He also takes some of the worst shots I have ever seen. Total playground crap that has about 10% chance of going on 75% of his shots.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Have we sunk that low? Isby would never have been brought in here by Stew. And if you go farther back, LaDell would have never even bothered to look at him. In other words, unless Isby at least plays some defense, and is more disciplined on offense....then he is a colossal waste of a scholarship.aggieguy13 wrote: ↑January 11th, 2018, 12:24 pmI'm well aware of his struggles; I'm not arguing that he's an all-conference player or even a starter at the moment, I'm just saying that he's talented enough to not be considered a wasted scholarship.
I do wish that he would commit himself to having a positive impact on the game even when his shot isn't falling by playing better defense. He seems like one of those players that has spent his whole basketball life being directed to score boatloads of points because of how talented he is on that end of the floor and not really having to worry about defense. It can be a tough mindset to get out of.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
He runs Duryea’s offense to perfection!
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I believe our problem is that outside of Koby, Merrill, Brown, Miller and Henson, who on our team would be on scholarship at any top 5 MWC school? So what does CSU do? They dog Koby for 88 feet and dare anyone else on our team to beat them. And we couldn't. We can expect more of the same the rest of the way. Generally the only way we beat FSU and UNLV was for Koby to go off. Yeah Henson had a great game against UNLV in the first half, but we still lose that game w/o Koby.mcaggie1 wrote: ↑January 12th, 2018, 6:07 pmHave we sunk that low? Isby would never have been brought in here by Stew. And if you go farther back, LaDell would have never even bothered to look at him. In other words, unless Isby at least plays some defense, and is more disciplined on offense....then he is a colossal waste of a scholarship.aggieguy13 wrote: ↑January 11th, 2018, 12:24 pmI'm well aware of his struggles; I'm not arguing that he's an all-conference player or even a starter at the moment, I'm just saying that he's talented enough to not be considered a wasted scholarship.
I do wish that he would commit himself to having a positive impact on the game even when his shot isn't falling by playing better defense. He seems like one of those players that has spent his whole basketball life being directed to score boatloads of points because of how talented he is on that end of the floor and not really having to worry about defense. It can be a tough mindset to get out of.
Getting a decent big man at USU is akin to us getting a bruising, consistant, and grind it out RB in football. Despite all of our efforts,, neither happens.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I have no idea if Isby would have been brought in by Stew but Stew had more than his share of scholarship kids that didn't pan out and many of them had a short tenure.mcaggie1 wrote: ↑January 12th, 2018, 6:07 pmHave we sunk that low? Isby would never have been brought in here by Stew. And if you go farther back, LaDell would have never even bothered to look at him. In other words, unless Isby at least plays some defense, and is more disciplined on offense....then he is a colossal waste of a scholarship.aggieguy13 wrote: ↑January 11th, 2018, 12:24 pmI'm well aware of his struggles; I'm not arguing that he's an all-conference player or even a starter at the moment, I'm just saying that he's talented enough to not be considered a wasted scholarship.
I do wish that he would commit himself to having a positive impact on the game even when his shot isn't falling by playing better defense. He seems like one of those players that has spent his whole basketball life being directed to score boatloads of points because of how talented he is on that end of the floor and not really having to worry about defense. It can be a tough mindset to get out of.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I wonder what Eric Frandsen has to say about this subject
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Eric Frandsen the mountain of information on how to get things done the aggie way. If Isby has failed what grade does Erik get ?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
You and I see things similarly. He disrupts on offense and is out of place on defense. Last night he wasn't even a "breather guy" and they needed a breather guy desperately last night.OKAggie wrote: ↑January 11th, 2018, 10:39 amI'm not a scout, a coach, or a basketball professional of any kind, so I might be missing the appeal of DeAngelo Isby. All I notice is that when he gets the ball, whatever else is happening on offense stops. And when he's on the defensive end, he doesn't seem to inconvenience himself much. At best he's more of a breather guy for Brown and Brito. What am I missing?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
So Crew Ainge gets a pass as far as wasted scholarship goes or am I missing something. LaDell had plenty of poor players as did Stew.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Speaking of breathers or lack thereof, Koby and Merrill logged, respectively, 39 and 40 minutes last night. I suspect they'll finish the year in the top 8 as to mpg played.
If we are so fortunate to play 2 or 3 games in the MWC tourney on consecutive nights, how is that sustainable. I know, I shouldn't get ahead of myself.
If we are so fortunate to play 2 or 3 games in the MWC tourney on consecutive nights, how is that sustainable. I know, I shouldn't get ahead of myself.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
That is why Crew is waste my goodness Koby needs to get a rest as a point guard Crew should have been able to give him a blow for 5 minutes per game.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
If you want to talk about Crew Ainge, there's a New Topic button at the top of the forum. I had zero expectations of young Crew, and so am not disappointed. Isby is a Juco transfer and has talent, but he's a net liability every time he steps on the floor (the Utah game is the exception that proves the rule, and shows the level of talent).
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
If one is talking about wasted scholarships then perhaps not just one current player should be discussed. Why did Crew not get any playing time when USU is short handed, ? That means to me that he is a total wasted scholarship.
If a player has talent it is the job of the coach's to teach and control him, however if you recruit a player that has no talent then that is a true waste of a scholarship.
If you put wasted scholarships in the heading then I will discuss the entire group, not just one player. Regardless of the problem on a team it is the job of the coach to improve the quality of play. The problem with basketball at USU goes beyond Isby, or Crew.
If a player has talent it is the job of the coach's to teach and control him, however if you recruit a player that has no talent then that is a true waste of a scholarship.
If you put wasted scholarships in the heading then I will discuss the entire group, not just one player. Regardless of the problem on a team it is the job of the coach to improve the quality of play. The problem with basketball at USU goes beyond Isby, or Crew.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Not if he keeps subtweeting the coaches.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Apparently the lion doesn't care about the opinion of the sheep. When you are the sheep it's best just to shut up.Jjoey53 wrote:Will Isby get off the bench anymore this year?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Isby makes the team worse and shouldn't see the court.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I suspect he will get another chance. If he again starts off with five turnovers before getting a shot off, he will find his way back to the bench pretty quickly.
He can't really say he hasn't had a chance... he started off with a starting position, and even had a couple of good games, but they were mixed in with a bunch where he was pretty bad. I hope he makes the most of his next chance, because there likely aren't many more left.
He can't really say he hasn't had a chance... he started off with a starting position, and even had a couple of good games, but they were mixed in with a bunch where he was pretty bad. I hope he makes the most of his next chance, because there likely aren't many more left.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Isby could be a very good player. Some preseason publications said he could be the MWC player of the year (it was either that or newcomer). He had a great game at the start of the year.
But while a good player, he isn't as good as he thinks he is.
He needs to put the team above himself.
But while a good player, he isn't as good as he thinks he is.
He needs to put the team above himself.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I find your response curious, OK. Your topic line specifically asks whether Isby is a wasted scholarship, not which Aggie player is most disappointing. It seems to be a fair response for someone to posit that Crew seems to be a bigger waste of a scholarship than Isby. I'm with oleblu: at least Isby has shown flashes of real talent. Perhaps something will click with him at some point, and he'll contribute. I don't anticipate that happening with Ainge unless he finds a reservoir of previously hidden talent.OKAggie wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2018, 7:49 amIf you want to talk about Crew Ainge, there's a New Topic button at the top of the forum. I had zero expectations of young Crew, and so am not disappointed. Isby is a Juco transfer and has talent, but he's a net liability every time he steps on the floor (the Utah game is the exception that proves the rule, and shows the level of talent).
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Stop at your first comma* and you'll find your answer. Ainge is obviously a wasted scholarship, and why dwell on the obvious? But we weren't really counting on him this year anyway. Isby is a juco transfer, and you only give them a scholarship if you expect them to contribute right away. He isn't, and despite his gifts doesn't appear to know how.ChicAggie wrote: ↑January 29th, 2018, 2:46 pmI find your response curious, OK. Your topic line specifically asks whether Isby is a wasted scholarship, not which Aggie player is most disappointing. It seems to be a fair response for someone to posit that Crew seems to be a bigger waste of a scholarship than Isby. I'm with oleblu: at least Isby has shown flashes of real talent. Perhaps something will click with him at some point, and he'll contribute. I don't anticipate that happening with Ainge unless he finds a reservoir of previously hidden talent.OKAggie wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2018, 7:49 amIf you want to talk about Crew Ainge, there's a New Topic button at the top of the forum. I had zero expectations of young Crew, and so am not disappointed. Isby is a Juco transfer and has talent, but he's a net liability every time he steps on the floor (the Utah game is the exception that proves the rule, and shows the level of talent).
As to your hope that something will click with Isby: we're 2/3 through the season, a fair sample size for a juco transfer. It ain't gonna happen. He's this year's Barnaba.
* I meant your second :|
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I was trying to remember the name of another highly touted JC guy who began the year in the starting lineup then pretty quickly played his way to the bench.... I am thinking Spraggins, maybe. Any of you old timer remember?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Spraggins is a good example. So athletic in a time when we needed athleticism but for some reason couldn't find any PT. Other JC's or transfers that come to my mind are Michael Earl, Mikel Watson, and Marvin Jean. All started at some point early in the season and then never panned out as the season wore on. Oh, and don't forget the highly touted Antonio Bumpus that never even saw the court!cval wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 7:28 amI was trying to remember the name of another highly touted JC guy who began the year in the starting lineup then pretty quickly played his way to the bench.... I am thinking Spraggins, maybe. Any of you old timer remember?
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There have been many freshman that have followed this path too....James "where's my shoes" Walker III, Marcel Davis, Jojo McGlaston, Elston Jones...all guys that got starts at one point or another but never panned out.
Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
If I were to rank the scholarship players in terms of importance to the team, not including seniors, this is how I would rank them:
1. Sam
2. Koby
3. Dwayne
4. Brock
5. Deron
6. Quinn
7. Klay
8. DeAngelo
9. Diogo
10. Norbert
11. Crew
1. Sam
2. Koby
3. Dwayne
4. Brock
5. Deron
6. Quinn
7. Klay
8. DeAngelo
9. Diogo
10. Norbert
11. Crew
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I would add Dargenton to the top 3 or 4 on this list (is he not on scholarship?). He adds some length and athleticism in the post that nobody else here does. He gets pushed around a lot by bigger, stronger players, but his weak side help defense is better than anyone on the team and he can rebound. His absence has been felt in several games.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I think one and two should be reversed. I do not understand the love for Brock to little time for a judgement on him, imho