P12 Grant of Rights

ag4fr · Post by **ag4fr** » June 11th, 2025, 4:02 pm

Nothing personal, but Football Fans in Texas are just built a bit different than Football Fans from Cali or Nevada or Oregon or Utah.

Football and supporting Football means everything to many fans in Texas. There are tons of High Schools that pack 20K stadiums all season long. And the fans still support the heck out of the College and Pro teams in their massive stadiums.

I believe there are easily 15 College football Stadiums in Texas with capacities well over 30K. In Utah, we have 2.

And looking at how things might fit on the other foot in the XII, does UCF, CIN, UH, and Iowa State really get your blood pumping hard?

I think BYU and Utah were sold a bit of a bill of goods in the XII. There is a fabulous core at the heart of the XII, but when you take off the top of the league, it gets much less substantial in in big hurry. I believe the truth of that will come to light over the course of the next few years.

Would it really be all that surprising to see some rearranging of the deck chairs on the HMS Titanic XII in the not so distant future. There was a lot of talk about 8 or 9 being the right size for a College Conference. Is this true in the Autonomous Leagues as well?

gomretat · Post by **gomretat** » June 11th, 2025, 5:57 pm

ag4fr wrote: ↑
June 11th, 2025, 4:02 pm
Nothing personal, but Football Fans in Texas are just built a bit different than Football Fans from Cali or Nevada or Oregon or Utah.

Football and supporting Football means everything to many fans in Texas. There are tons of High Schools that pack 20K stadiums all season long. And the fans still support the heck out of the College and Pro teams in their massive stadiums.

I believe there are easily 15 College football Stadiums in Texas with capacities well over 30K. In Utah, we have 2.

And looking at how things might fit on the other foot in the XII, does UCF, CIN, UH, and Iowa State really get your blood pumping hard?

I think BYU and Utah were sold a bit of a bill of goods in the XII. There is a fabulous core at the heart of the XII, but when you take off the top of the league, it gets much less substantial in in big hurry. I believe the truth of that will come to light over the course of the next few years.

Would it really be all that surprising to see some rearranging of the deck chairs on the HMS Titanic XII in the not so distant future. There was a lot of talk about 8 or 9 being the right size for a College Conference. Is this true in the Autonomous Leagues as well?

I would love to have the money BYU and Utah get for their bill of goods. Most leagues have a good core and everyone else.

TrueAggieman · Post by **TrueAggieman** » June 11th, 2025, 5:57 pm

https://www.si.com/college/gonzaga/bask ... dia-repost

Kinda funny and interesting article posted a few hours ago about Texas State.

SLB · Post by **SLB** » June 11th, 2025, 6:49 pm

The strengths in the PAC if they just adding Texas State and UTSA.
-The travel costs are low for the conference. Texas State and UTSA are driving distance from each other.
-Consistent good tv ratings
-Only 9 teams dividing the monies in football and 10 teams dividing the monies in basketball
-7 of the basketball schools have been to the NCAA tournament in the 2020s with 6 of the 7 winning games in the NCAA tournament
-From 2021 to 2024, all football schools have been in bowl games
- 7 of the 9 teams have been in the CFP top 25 rankings (UTSA, Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and Utah State) which is 5th most CFP ranked teams in the nation
- Average 2024 in-person attendance for the PAC would be 5th for football and 6th in basketball
-Pushes to keeping Alamo Bowl to stay with the PAC while Holiday Bowl stayed with the PAC in 2024
-Ownership in large markets without much of the P4 schools being there

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » June 11th, 2025, 7:15 pm

If we could pull off taking UTSA I'd be thrilled. BTW - does TSU even have a message board? When I google it, the only message board that comes up is THIS one! LOL

TexasUtahStateAggie · Post by **TexasUtahStateAggie** » June 11th, 2025, 8:28 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
June 11th, 2025, 7:15 pm
If we could pull off taking UTSA I'd be thrilled. BTW - does TSU even have a message board? When I google it, the only message board that comes up is THIS one! LOL

If you mean TXST https://maroonandgolden.com/forum/index.php

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » June 12th, 2025, 8:01 am

ViAggie wrote: ↑
June 11th, 2025, 7:15 pm
If we could pull off taking UTSA I'd be thrilled. BTW - does TSU even have a message board? When I google it, the only message board that comes up is THIS one! LOL

They had that one fan come here. He was a pretty cool guy.

The Old Bull · Post by **The Old Bull** » June 12th, 2025, 12:10 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
June 11th, 2025, 7:48 am

CacheCow wrote: ↑
June 10th, 2025, 7:59 am
@aggies22 Are you hearing anything about the media deal? You still sticking with your previous predictions on the payout?
It's really tight lipped. Although my initial projection came from the highest source possible at Utah State, with the amount of time that has passed, I'll dial back my projection to the 12-15 million range.

I hope it wasn't an economics professor at the U?

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » June 12th, 2025, 12:16 pm

The Old Bull wrote: ↑
June 12th, 2025, 12:10 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
June 11th, 2025, 7:48 am

CacheCow wrote: ↑
June 10th, 2025, 7:59 am
@aggies22 Are you hearing anything about the media deal? You still sticking with your previous predictions on the payout?
It's really tight lipped. Although my initial projection came from the highest source possible at Utah State, with the amount of time that has passed, I'll dial back my projection to the 12-15 million range.
I hope it wasn't an economics professor at the U?

Anyone who knows anything about the econ department at the U would not be taking advice from an econ professor at the U...

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » June 12th, 2025, 12:39 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
June 12th, 2025, 12:16 pm

The Old Bull wrote: ↑
June 12th, 2025, 12:10 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
June 11th, 2025, 7:48 am

CacheCow wrote: ↑
June 10th, 2025, 7:59 am
@aggies22 Are you hearing anything about the media deal? You still sticking with your previous predictions on the payout?
It's really tight lipped. Although my initial projection came from the highest source possible at Utah State, with the amount of time that has passed, I'll dial back my projection to the 12-15 million range.
I hope it wasn't an economics professor at the U?
Anyone who knows anything about the econ department at the U would not be taking advice from an econ professor at the U...

I'm a U graduate, but thankfully not in Econ LOL

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » June 12th, 2025, 12:56 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
June 12th, 2025, 12:39 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
June 12th, 2025, 12:16 pm

The Old Bull wrote: ↑
June 12th, 2025, 12:10 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
June 11th, 2025, 7:48 am

CacheCow wrote: ↑
June 10th, 2025, 7:59 am
@aggies22 Are you hearing anything about the media deal? You still sticking with your previous predictions on the payout?
It's really tight lipped. Although my initial projection came from the highest source possible at Utah State, with the amount of time that has passed, I'll dial back my projection to the 12-15 million range.
I hope it wasn't an economics professor at the U?
Anyone who knows anything about the econ department at the U would not be taking advice from an econ professor at the U...
I'm a U graduate, but thankfully not in Econ LOL

That's interesting, of all the people on the board you seem like the one that would be most receptive to their... shall we say... alternative views of economics...

I will stop talking now before I derail the thread to the sandbox.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » June 12th, 2025, 1:15 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
June 12th, 2025, 12:56 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
June 12th, 2025, 12:39 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
June 12th, 2025, 12:16 pm

The Old Bull wrote: ↑
June 12th, 2025, 12:10 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
June 11th, 2025, 7:48 am

CacheCow wrote: ↑
June 10th, 2025, 7:59 am
@aggies22 Are you hearing anything about the media deal? You still sticking with your previous predictions on the payout?
It's really tight lipped. Although my initial projection came from the highest source possible at Utah State, with the amount of time that has passed, I'll dial back my projection to the 12-15 million range.
I hope it wasn't an economics professor at the U?
Anyone who knows anything about the econ department at the U would not be taking advice from an econ professor at the U...
I'm a U graduate, but thankfully not in Econ LOL
That's interesting, of all the people on the board you seem like the one that would be most receptive to their... shall we say... alternative views of economics...

I will stop talking now before I derail the thread to the sandbox.

I don't think their program is funded like USU's... you know, by some "brothers" (well, only one now), but maybe the U is funded by a SINGLE billionaire with a certain exotic sounding last name.

Again, all in fun, no need to sandbox this.

ag4fr · Post by **ag4fr** » June 12th, 2025, 4:17 pm

Is "Eccles" exotic?

Or "Huntsman" ?

Or "Marriott"?.

SLB · Post by **SLB** » June 12th, 2025, 5:03 pm

Stuff like this is why the PAC-12 needs to be ready when the media world start putting out the big bucks for college baseball

There are millions of people who watch the college world series.
There is a real audience for college baseball.

SLB · Post by **SLB** » June 13th, 2025, 2:33 am

2024 data
By week, TV viewership top watched non-P4 games and the viewership number
Conference title game
Boise State vs UNLV 3.01 million
Week 14
Oregon State vs Boise State 1.7 million
Week 13
Oregon State vs Washington State 695K
Week 12
ECU vs Tulsa (there was no true PAC games on TV for that week) 563K
Week 11
Boise State vs Nevada 1.53 million
Week 10
Boise State vs San Diego State 656K
Week 9
Middle Tennesse State vs Jacksonville State (there was no true PAC games on TV for that week) 434K
Week 8
UNLV vs Oregon State 507K
Week 7
Coastal Carolina vs James Madison 390K
Week 6
Military matchup
Air Force vs Navy 1.28 million
For regular matchups
Oregon State vs Colorado State 568K
Week 5
Temple vs Army 684K
Week 4
App State vs South Alabama 629K
Week 3 and before is non-conference football
The PAC did not have ESPN coverage, and traditional networks were seldom for the PAC-12

SLB · Post by **SLB** » June 13th, 2025, 3:41 am

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » June 13th, 2025, 10:07 am

I'm kind of surprised it is beginning to look like we might get out of this week without any announcements on the media deal or new members. Kind of assumed with it being leaked to legitimate media members earlier this week that a deal was close meant we'd get an announcement at some point this week.

Gotta love the Pac-12!

NVAggie · Post by **NVAggie** » June 13th, 2025, 10:07 am

We are probably a couple of weeks away.

CacheCow · Post by **CacheCow** » June 13th, 2025, 10:09 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑
June 13th, 2025, 10:07 am
We are probably a couple of weeks away.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » June 13th, 2025, 10:11 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑
June 13th, 2025, 10:07 am
We are probably a couple of weeks away.

Probably about two weeks away.

JFWAggie · Post by **JFWAggie** » June 13th, 2025, 11:03 am

SLB wrote: ↑
June 13th, 2025, 3:41 am

Well, they wont join tomorrow but certainly can announce they will be joining soon, Texas State for 2026 and UTSA in 2027 or later when they "can afford the buyout", just sayin!!!

TexasUtahStateAggie · Post by **TexasUtahStateAggie** » June 13th, 2025, 11:54 am

SLB wrote: ↑
June 13th, 2025, 3:41 am

As someone who lives 20 minutes away from both schools and knows the Texas State AD assuming this is correct I’m really excited for this

ag4fr · Post by **ag4fr** » June 13th, 2025, 3:09 pm

I like the sound of this.

Texas State joins post haste.

UTSA takes a bit more time to sort it all out due to their buyout situation, but gets things squared around in fairly short short order and joins next year.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » June 13th, 2025, 3:18 pm

Unless it's necessary to have the additional games/content for the TV deal, I'd rather not dilute our TV share with more members even if it will make non-conference scheduling more difficult. Just add Texas St. and be done.

SLB · Post by **SLB** » June 13th, 2025, 3:20 pm

ag4fr wrote: ↑
June 13th, 2025, 3:09 pm
I like the sound of this.

Texas State joins post haste.

UTSA takes a bit more time to sort out their buyout situation, but gets things squared around in fairly short short order and joins next year.

How I see it
It looks like Texas State in 2026 then AAC school(s) join after the buyout drops to 8 million for them join in 2027

WAaggieFan · Post by **WAaggieFan** » June 13th, 2025, 11:08 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
June 13th, 2025, 10:11 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑
June 13th, 2025, 10:07 am
We are probably a couple of weeks away.
Probably about two weeks away.

crazywookie · Post by **crazywookie** » June 14th, 2025, 6:28 am

Kyle Goon secretly running the pac-12…

SLB · Post by **SLB** » June 15th, 2025, 5:18 am

Schools in the background that are in play from the looks of it
Rice, Tulane, and North Texas
I do believe Rice could be the sleeper school in this.
Rice does have a history of being a Southwest Conference team and have loads of money, and I really do believe that Rice could very well swing a legit move to get into the PAC. I have to imagine Rice gets a partial share from the AAC.
Rice was not excited about the AAC, and only 18.1K showed up per game in 2024. The rolling 5-year average is currently 20.1K. Rice has potential since they have a history of being better at sports than what they are currently (they have won NY6 Bowl games in the past). Give credit to the fans for Rice because they have gone through a lot of losing in recent years, and Rice has still a 5-year rolling average over 20k, basketball attendance of 1882, and a solid baseball attendance. Imagine what the attendance would be if Rice was in a more serious conference with some wins.
2024 Rice football averaged over 300k on tv viewership in the 2 in-conference games on TV.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » June 15th, 2025, 9:55 am

SLB wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 5:18 am
Schools in the background that are in play from the looks of it
Rice, Tulane, and North Texas
I do believe Rice could be the sleeper school in this.
Rice does have a history of being a Southwest Conference team and have loads of money, and I really do believe that Rice could very well swing a legit move to get into the PAC. I have to imagine Rice gets a partial share from the AAC.
Rice was not excited about the AAC, and only 18.1K showed up per game in 2024. The rolling 5-year average is currently 20.1K. Rice has potential since they have a history of being better at sports than what they are currently (they have won NY6 Bowl games in the past). Give credit to the fans for Rice because they have gone through a lot of losing in recent years, and Rice has still a 5-year rolling average over 20k, basketball attendance of 1882, and a solid baseball attendance. Imagine what the attendance would be if Rice was in a more serious conference with some wins.
2024 Rice football averaged over 300k on tv viewership in the 2 in-conference games on TV.

Rice has sit backed and watched former level playing field schools, SMU and TCU, pass them by. Lets hope that provides some motivation to join the PAC. We can hope. If we can pry the Texas schools from the AAC, the AAC is dead. I've been predicting for some time now, but I think we'll eventually see a MWC/AAC merger at some point.

Naked Bull Rider · Post by **Naked Bull Rider** » June 15th, 2025, 12:03 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 9:55 am

SLB wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 5:18 am
Schools in the background that are in play from the looks of it
Rice, Tulane, and North Texas
I do believe Rice could be the sleeper school in this.
Rice does have a history of being a Southwest Conference team and have loads of money, and I really do believe that Rice could very well swing a legit move to get into the PAC. I have to imagine Rice gets a partial share from the AAC.
Rice was not excited about the AAC, and only 18.1K showed up per game in 2024. The rolling 5-year average is currently 20.1K. Rice has potential since they have a history of being better at sports than what they are currently (they have won NY6 Bowl games in the past). Give credit to the fans for Rice because they have gone through a lot of losing in recent years, and Rice has still a 5-year rolling average over 20k, basketball attendance of 1882, and a solid baseball attendance. Imagine what the attendance would be if Rice was in a more serious conference with some wins.
2024 Rice football averaged over 300k on tv viewership in the 2 in-conference games on TV.
Rice has sit backed and watched former level playing field schools, SMU and TCU, pass them by. Lets hope that provides some motivation to join the PAC. We can hope. If we can pry the Texas schools from the AAC, the AAC is dead. I've been predicting for some time now, but I think we'll eventually see a MWC/AAC merger at some point.

I’m not sure Rice brings enough eyeballs to the table.

Being the Harvard of Texas, they have small enrollment numbers and a small alumni base.

They have to compete with the University of Houston for the casual fan’s support, and Houston has been a far more exciting program to follow.

pilotaggie · Post by **pilotaggie** » June 15th, 2025, 12:56 pm

Naked Bull Rider wrote:
ViAggie wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 9:55 am

SLB wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 5:18 am
Schools in the background that are in play from the looks of it
Rice, Tulane, and North Texas
I do believe Rice could be the sleeper school in this.
Rice does have a history of being a Southwest Conference team and have loads of money, and I really do believe that Rice could very well swing a legit move to get into the PAC. I have to imagine Rice gets a partial share from the AAC.
Rice was not excited about the AAC, and only 18.1K showed up per game in 2024. The rolling 5-year average is currently 20.1K. Rice has potential since they have a history of being better at sports than what they are currently (they have won NY6 Bowl games in the past). Give credit to the fans for Rice because they have gone through a lot of losing in recent years, and Rice has still a 5-year rolling average over 20k, basketball attendance of 1882, and a solid baseball attendance. Imagine what the attendance would be if Rice was in a more serious conference with some wins.
2024 Rice football averaged over 300k on tv viewership in the 2 in-conference games on TV.
Rice has sit backed and watched former level playing field schools, SMU and TCU, pass them by. Lets hope that provides some motivation to join the PAC. We can hope. If we can pry the Texas schools from the AAC, the AAC is dead. I've been predicting for some time now, but I think we'll eventually see a MWC/AAC merger at some point.
I’m not sure Rice brings enough eyeballs to the table.

Being the Harvard of Texas, they have small enrollment numbers and a small alumni base.

They have to compete with the University of Houston for the casual fan’s support, and Houston has been a far more exciting program to follow.

This isn't PC but Rice has an attractive coed population (or did when I was that age) I'll bet that brings eyeballs to the tv.

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SLB · Post by **SLB** » June 15th, 2025, 12:59 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 9:55 am

SLB wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 5:18 am
Schools in the background that are in play from the looks of it
Rice, Tulane, and North Texas
I do believe Rice could be the sleeper school in this.
Rice does have a history of being a Southwest Conference team and have loads of money, and I really do believe that Rice could very well swing a legit move to get into the PAC. I have to imagine Rice gets a partial share from the AAC.
Rice was not excited about the AAC, and only 18.1K showed up per game in 2024. The rolling 5-year average is currently 20.1K. Rice has potential since they have a history of being better at sports than what they are currently (they have won NY6 Bowl games in the past). Give credit to the fans for Rice because they have gone through a lot of losing in recent years, and Rice has still a 5-year rolling average over 20k, basketball attendance of 1882, and a solid baseball attendance. Imagine what the attendance would be if Rice was in a more serious conference with some wins.
2024 Rice football averaged over 300k on tv viewership in the 2 in-conference games on TV.
Rice has sit backed and watched former level playing field schools, SMU and TCU, pass them by. Lets hope that provides some motivation to join the PAC. We can hope. If we can pry the Texas schools from the AAC, the AAC is dead. I've been predicting for some time now, but I think we'll eventually see a MWC/AAC merger at some point.

Rice is currently the only Southwest team that is not currently in a P4 conference.
Rice did move to the AAC, so they trying to go up in college sports.

Naked Bull Rider · Post by **Naked Bull Rider** » June 15th, 2025, 3:46 pm

pilotaggie wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 12:56 pm

Naked Bull Rider wrote:
ViAggie wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 9:55 am

SLB wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 5:18 am
Schools in the background that are in play from the looks of it
Rice, Tulane, and North Texas
I do believe Rice could be the sleeper school in this.
Rice does have a history of being a Southwest Conference team and have loads of money, and I really do believe that Rice could very well swing a legit move to get into the PAC. I have to imagine Rice gets a partial share from the AAC.
Rice was not excited about the AAC, and only 18.1K showed up per game in 2024. The rolling 5-year average is currently 20.1K. Rice has potential since they have a history of being better at sports than what they are currently (they have won NY6 Bowl games in the past). Give credit to the fans for Rice because they have gone through a lot of losing in recent years, and Rice has still a 5-year rolling average over 20k, basketball attendance of 1882, and a solid baseball attendance. Imagine what the attendance would be if Rice was in a more serious conference with some wins.
2024 Rice football averaged over 300k on tv viewership in the 2 in-conference games on TV.
Rice has sit backed and watched former level playing field schools, SMU and TCU, pass them by. Lets hope that provides some motivation to join the PAC. We can hope. If we can pry the Texas schools from the AAC, the AAC is dead. I've been predicting for some time now, but I think we'll eventually see a MWC/AAC merger at some point.
I’m not sure Rice brings enough eyeballs to the table.

Being the Harvard of Texas, they have small enrollment numbers and a small alumni base.

They have to compete with the University of Houston for the casual fan’s support, and Houston has been a far more exciting program to follow.
This isn't PC but Rice has an attractive coed population (or did when I was that age) I'll bet that brings eyeballs to the tv.

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StanfordAggie · Post by **StanfordAggie** » June 15th, 2025, 6:27 pm

Naked Bull Rider wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 12:03 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 9:55 am

SLB wrote: ↑
June 15th, 2025, 5:18 am
Schools in the background that are in play from the looks of it
Rice, Tulane, and North Texas
I do believe Rice could be the sleeper school in this.
Rice does have a history of being a Southwest Conference team and have loads of money, and I really do believe that Rice could very well swing a legit move to get into the PAC. I have to imagine Rice gets a partial share from the AAC.
Rice was not excited about the AAC, and only 18.1K showed up per game in 2024. The rolling 5-year average is currently 20.1K. Rice has potential since they have a history of being better at sports than what they are currently (they have won NY6 Bowl games in the past). Give credit to the fans for Rice because they have gone through a lot of losing in recent years, and Rice has still a 5-year rolling average over 20k, basketball attendance of 1882, and a solid baseball attendance. Imagine what the attendance would be if Rice was in a more serious conference with some wins.
2024 Rice football averaged over 300k on tv viewership in the 2 in-conference games on TV.
Rice has sit backed and watched former level playing field schools, SMU and TCU, pass them by. Lets hope that provides some motivation to join the PAC. We can hope. If we can pry the Texas schools from the AAC, the AAC is dead. I've been predicting for some time now, but I think we'll eventually see a MWC/AAC merger at some point.
I’m not sure Rice brings enough eyeballs to the table.

Being the Harvard of Texas, they have small enrollment numbers and a small alumni base.

They have to compete with the University of Houston for the casual fan’s support, and Houston has been a far more exciting program to follow.

Another major issue with Rice is that these small, academically selective private schools accept almost no transfer students, which is deadly in the transfer portal era. Stanford went to five consecutive NY6 games as recently as the 2010's, but now they are one of the worst programs in the country. There are many reasons that a program fell so far so fast (incompetent leadership that accepted mediocrity being the most important), but the transfer portal is one of the big ones. I doubt Stanford will ever be competitive in revenue sports again unless they are willing to significantly increase the number of transfer students that they accept. Rice has the same problem, but it is even more acute given that they are even smaller than Stanford. Unless our TV partners say that we need a presence in Houston, I am not interested in Rice.

Aggie702 · Post by **Aggie702** » June 15th, 2025, 8:09 pm

Rice hasn't been relevant in any major sport in forever and doesn't seem interested in investing the money to get relevant. At least Texas State and UTSA act like they're trying. Might as well take SJSU or Wyoming over Rice. Not that either is an option given MWC grant of rights, but they're all the same level.

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