He might not have seen much playing time this year, but he transferred into the throes of mediocrity.


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He left mediocrity. What he transferred into is far worse than mediocrity.

Lol I had a similar thought earlier this year. Same with rayshad Lewis

Joe will be fine, he gets to continue losing with the rest of his East High buddies that honor code college poached from the schools they first signed with. Rayshad gets to be closer to daddy Ray, so it's all good there too.

I’m fine with losing Rayshad. Nathan is better. Don’t know what Joe would have been for us. I never like to lose good talent.

aggies22 wrote:Joe will be fine, he gets to continue losing with the rest of his East High buddies that honor code college poached from the schools they first signed with. Rayshad gets to be closer to daddy Ray, so it's all good there too.

Like NVaggie said, Nathan is a better talent so I don't care much. Watching the Big10 though, I really wonder if he's gonna shine enough in such a deep conference. Woof

Maverik_Aggie wrote:

aggies22 wrote:Joe will be fine, he gets to continue losing with the rest of his East High buddies that honor code college poached from the schools they first signed with. Rayshad gets to be closer to daddy Ray, so it's all good there too.

Like NVaggie said, Nathan is a better talent so I don't care much. Watching the Big10 though, I really wonder if he's gonna shine enough in such a deep conference. Woof

The answer is no. He could have had a solid career here regardless if he played offense or defense.

What's going on at BYU is all based on a myth: Tanner Mangum won several games on improbable last plays or last second wins, and the BYU faithful annointed him the next coming of [insert BYU legend here], who would lead their program to another national championship. In reality, he took advantage of insanely tall receivers who outjumped peewee defensive backs and scored a couple of wins that BYU proabably shouldn't have gotten in reality. Now that he has to do it every game, his style of play doesn't translate as readily to "superstar" status as all of the BYU apologists thought it would. The announcers on Saturday night's game (I tuned in after finding out BYU was behind), we're openly calling for BYU to make the change to another QB. I don't think Critchlow is the answer. I think if Hoge is healthy it would be him.

aggies22 wrote:

Maverik_Aggie wrote:

aggies22 wrote:Joe will be fine, he gets to continue losing with the rest of his East High buddies that honor code college poached from the schools they first signed with. Rayshad gets to be closer to daddy Ray, so it's all good there too.

Like NVaggie said, Nathan is a better talent so I don't care much. Watching the Big10 though, I really wonder if he's gonna shine enough in such a deep conference. Woof

The answer is no. He could have had a solid career here regardless if he played offense or defense.

1000% agree. David Collette too.

AggiesForever wrote:What's going on at BYU is all based on a myth: Tanner Mangum won several games on improbable last plays or last second wins, and the BYU faithful annointed him the next coming of [insert BYU legend here], who would lead their program to another national championship. In reality, he took advantage of insanely tall receivers who outjumped peewee defensive backs and scored a couple of wins that BYU proabably shouldn't have gotten in reality. Now that he has to do it every game, his style of play doesn't translate as readily to "superstar" status as all of the BYU apologists thought it would. The announcers on Saturday night's game (I tuned in after finding out BYU was behind), we're openly calling for BYU to make the change to another QB. I don't think Critchlow is the answer. I think if Hoge is healthy it would be him.

Many ignorant fans thought all of this. I really don't doubt BYU has all option on the table looking at different conferences to join. This will likely take years to recover for them.

I'm not complaining though

Maverik_Aggie wrote:

AggiesForever wrote:What's going on at BYU is all based on a myth: Tanner Mangum won several games on improbable last plays or last second wins, and the BYU faithful annointed him the next coming of [insert BYU legend here], who would lead their program to another national championship. In reality, he took advantage of insanely tall receivers who outjumped peewee defensive backs and scored a couple of wins that BYU proabably shouldn't have gotten in reality. Now that he has to do it every game, his style of play doesn't translate as readily to "superstar" status as all of the BYU apologists thought it would. The announcers on Saturday night's game (I tuned in after finding out BYU was behind), we're openly calling for BYU to make the change to another QB. I don't think Critchlow is the answer. I think if Hoge is healthy it would be him.

Many ignorant fans thought all of this. I really don't doubt BYU has all option on the table looking at different conferences to join. This will likely take years to recover for them.

I'm not complaining though

Now is the perfect time to sight their poor record and apparent downward trend of the program as the reasons for exclusion from the Mountain West, if the topic were to ever come up in serious discussion. The conversation should be this short. "Do we really want honor code college dragging the conference down? I mean we already have Hawaii." End of conversation.

NVAggie wrote:I’m fine with losing Rayshad. Nathan is better. Don’t know what Joe would have been for us. I never like to lose good talent.

Is there a limit on talented slot receivers? I wish we had both of them.

aggies22 wrote:

Maverik_Aggie wrote:

AggiesForever wrote:What's going on at BYU is all based on a myth: Tanner Mangum won several games on improbable last plays or last second wins, and the BYU faithful annointed him the next coming of [insert BYU legend here], who would lead their program to another national championship. In reality, he took advantage of insanely tall receivers who outjumped peewee defensive backs and scored a couple of wins that BYU proabably shouldn't have gotten in reality. Now that he has to do it every game, his style of play doesn't translate as readily to "superstar" status as all of the BYU apologists thought it would. The announcers on Saturday night's game (I tuned in after finding out BYU was behind), we're openly calling for BYU to make the change to another QB. I don't think Critchlow is the answer. I think if Hoge is healthy it would be him.

Many ignorant fans thought all of this. I really don't doubt BYU has all option on the table looking at different conferences to join. This will likely take years to recover for them.

I'm not complaining though

Now is the perfect time to sight their poor record and apparent downward trend of the program as the reasons for exclusion from the Mountain West, if the topic were to ever come up in serious discussion. The conversation should be this short. "Do we really want honor code college dragging the conference down? I mean we already have Hawaii." End of conversation.

You're right, the conversation would be short, it would be "You want back in the MW? The answer is yes."

NVAggie wrote:I’m fine with losing Rayshad. Nathan is better. Don’t know what Joe would have been for us. I never like to lose good talent.

I'm kinda partial to the Nathan fella myself.....+ he won't leave ----- just sayin

2004AG wrote:

aggies22 wrote:

Maverik_Aggie wrote:

AggiesForever wrote:What's going on at BYU is all based on a myth: Tanner Mangum won several games on improbable last plays or last second wins, and the BYU faithful annointed him the next coming of [insert BYU legend here], who would lead their program to another national championship. In reality, he took advantage of insanely tall receivers who outjumped peewee defensive backs and scored a couple of wins that BYU proabably shouldn't have gotten in reality. Now that he has to do it every game, his style of play doesn't translate as readily to "superstar" status as all of the BYU apologists thought it would. The announcers on Saturday night's game (I tuned in after finding out BYU was behind), we're openly calling for BYU to make the change to another QB. I don't think Critchlow is the answer. I think if Hoge is healthy it would be him.

Many ignorant fans thought all of this. I really don't doubt BYU has all option on the table looking at different conferences to join. This will likely take years to recover for them.

I'm not complaining though

Now is the perfect time to sight their poor record and apparent downward trend of the program as the reasons for exclusion from the Mountain West, if the topic were to ever come up in serious discussion. The conversation should be this short. "Do we really want honor code college dragging the conference down? I mean we already have Hawaii." End of conversation.

You're right, the conversation would be short, it would be "You want back in the MW? The answer is yes."

But hopefully the question is NEVER asked. They'll come begging and they need to be told no. Personally I'd tell them HELL NO but then they would have to regulate my class and I don't want to give them that opportunity.

taniataylor wrote:

NVAggie wrote:I’m fine with losing Rayshad. Nathan is better. Don’t know what Joe would have been for us. I never like to lose good talent.

I'm kinda partial to the Nathan fella myself.....+ he won't leave ----- just sayin

You're son finally had the breakout game I've been expecting since spring ball! If kids don't want to be here, then go, but if you want to leave for honor code college, I hope we make it very difficult to get there.

aggies22 wrote:

2004AG wrote:

aggies22 wrote:

Maverik_Aggie wrote:

AggiesForever wrote:What's going on at BYU is all based on a myth: Tanner Mangum won several games on improbable last plays or last second wins, and the BYU faithful annointed him the next coming of [insert BYU legend here], who would lead their program to another national championship. In reality, he took advantage of insanely tall receivers who outjumped peewee defensive backs and scored a couple of wins that BYU proabably shouldn't have gotten in reality. Now that he has to do it every game, his style of play doesn't translate as readily to "superstar" status as all of the BYU apologists thought it would. The announcers on Saturday night's game (I tuned in after finding out BYU was behind), we're openly calling for BYU to make the change to another QB. I don't think Critchlow is the answer. I think if Hoge is healthy it would be him.

Many ignorant fans thought all of this. I really don't doubt BYU has all option on the table looking at different conferences to join. This will likely take years to recover for them.

I'm not complaining though

Now is the perfect time to sight their poor record and apparent downward trend of the program as the reasons for exclusion from the Mountain West, if the topic were to ever come up in serious discussion. The conversation should be this short. "Do we really want honor code college dragging the conference down? I mean we already have Hawaii." End of conversation.

You're right, the conversation would be short, it would be "You want back in the MW? The answer is yes."

But hopefully the question is NEVER asked. They'll come begging and they need to be told no. Personally I'd tell them HELL NO but then they would have to regulate my class and I don't want to give them that opportunity.

I hate byu more than anybody, but I disagree, I hope they come back. Its nice to have conference mates that fill 60k stadiums and a conference with good teams. The more good teams the better. We have enough SJSU's and Hawaii's. We need more Boise's and SDSU's.

(Yes, byu is horrible this year, but thats an anomaly and too small a sample size. Unfortunately byu won't stay down for long.)

aggies22 wrote:

taniataylor wrote:

NVAggie wrote:I’m fine with losing Rayshad. Nathan is better. Don’t know what Joe would have been for us. I never like to lose good talent.

I'm kinda partial to the Nathan fella myself.....+ he won't leave ----- just sayin

You're son finally had the breakout game I've been expecting since spring ball! If kids don't want to be here, then go, but if you want to leave for honor code college, I hope we make it very difficult to get there.

and...I was there to see it!!!

2004AG wrote:

aggies22 wrote:

2004AG wrote:

aggies22 wrote:

Maverik_Aggie wrote:

AggiesForever wrote:What's going on at BYU is all based on a myth: Tanner Mangum won several games on improbable last plays or last second wins, and the BYU faithful annointed him the next coming of [insert BYU legend here], who would lead their program to another national championship. In reality, he took advantage of insanely tall receivers who outjumped peewee defensive backs and scored a couple of wins that BYU proabably shouldn't have gotten in reality. Now that he has to do it every game, his style of play doesn't translate as readily to "superstar" status as all of the BYU apologists thought it would. The announcers on Saturday night's game (I tuned in after finding out BYU was behind), we're openly calling for BYU to make the change to another QB. I don't think Critchlow is the answer. I think if Hoge is healthy it would be him.

Many ignorant fans thought all of this. I really don't doubt BYU has all option on the table looking at different conferences to join. This will likely take years to recover for them.

I'm not complaining though

Now is the perfect time to sight their poor record and apparent downward trend of the program as the reasons for exclusion from the Mountain West, if the topic were to ever come up in serious discussion. The conversation should be this short. "Do we really want honor code college dragging the conference down? I mean we already have Hawaii." End of conversation.

You're right, the conversation would be short, it would be "You want back in the MW? The answer is yes."

But hopefully the question is NEVER asked. They'll come begging and they need to be told no. Personally I'd tell them HELL NO but then they would have to regulate my class and I don't want to give them that opportunity.

I hate byu more than anybody, but I disagree, I hope they come back. Its nice to have conference mates that fill 60k stadiums and a conference with good teams. The more good teams the better. We have enough SJSU's and Hawaii's. We need more Boise's and SDSU's.

(Yes, byu is horrible this year, but thats an anomaly and too small a sample size. Unfortunately byu won't stay down for long.)

I am probably being petty (I don't care) but I think we should do everything in our power as a member institution of the MWC to keep them down. Eye for an eye.

aggies22 wrote:

2004AG wrote:

aggies22 wrote:

2004AG wrote:

aggies22 wrote:

Maverik_Aggie wrote:

AggiesForever wrote:What's going on at BYU is all based on a myth: Tanner Mangum won several games on improbable last plays or last second wins, and the BYU faithful annointed him the next coming of [insert BYU legend here], who would lead their program to another national championship. In reality, he took advantage of insanely tall receivers who outjumped peewee defensive backs and scored a couple of wins that BYU proabably shouldn't have gotten in reality. Now that he has to do it every game, his style of play doesn't translate as readily to "superstar" status as all of the BYU apologists thought it would. The announcers on Saturday night's game (I tuned in after finding out BYU was behind), we're openly calling for BYU to make the change to another QB. I don't think Critchlow is the answer. I think if Hoge is healthy it would be him.

Many ignorant fans thought all of this. I really don't doubt BYU has all option on the table looking at different conferences to join. This will likely take years to recover for them.

I'm not complaining though

Now is the perfect time to sight their poor record and apparent downward trend of the program as the reasons for exclusion from the Mountain West, if the topic were to ever come up in serious discussion. The conversation should be this short. "Do we really want honor code college dragging the conference down? I mean we already have Hawaii." End of conversation.

You're right, the conversation would be short, it would be "You want back in the MW? The answer is yes."

But hopefully the question is NEVER asked. They'll come begging and they need to be told no. Personally I'd tell them HELL NO but then they would have to regulate my class and I don't want to give them that opportunity.

I hate byu more than anybody, but I disagree, I hope they come back. Its nice to have conference mates that fill 60k stadiums and a conference with good teams. The more good teams the better. We have enough SJSU's and Hawaii's. We need more Boise's and SDSU's.

(Yes, byu is horrible this year, but thats an anomaly and too small a sample size. Unfortunately byu won't stay down for long.)

I am probably being petty (I don't care) but I think we should do everything in our power as a member institution of the MWC to keep them down. Eye for an eye.

Also eye for an eye with what happened with the WAC.

#NeverForget

2004AG wrote:

aggies22 wrote:

2004AG wrote:

aggies22 wrote:

Maverik_Aggie wrote:

AggiesForever wrote:What's going on at BYU is all based on a myth: Tanner Mangum won several games on improbable last plays or last second wins, and the BYU faithful annointed him the next coming of [insert BYU legend here], who would lead their program to another national championship. In reality, he took advantage of insanely tall receivers who outjumped peewee defensive backs and scored a couple of wins that BYU proabably shouldn't have gotten in reality. Now that he has to do it every game, his style of play doesn't translate as readily to "superstar" status as all of the BYU apologists thought it would. The announcers on Saturday night's game (I tuned in after finding out BYU was behind), we're openly calling for BYU to make the change to another QB. I don't think Critchlow is the answer. I think if Hoge is healthy it would be him.

Many ignorant fans thought all of this. I really don't doubt BYU has all option on the table looking at different conferences to join. This will likely take years to recover for them.

I'm not complaining though

Now is the perfect time to sight their poor record and apparent downward trend of the program as the reasons for exclusion from the Mountain West, if the topic were to ever come up in serious discussion. The conversation should be this short. "Do we really want honor code college dragging the conference down? I mean we already have Hawaii." End of conversation.

You're right, the conversation would be short, it would be "You want back in the MW? The answer is yes."

But hopefully the question is NEVER asked. They'll come begging and they need to be told no. Personally I'd tell them HELL NO but then they would have to regulate my class and I don't want to give them that opportunity.

I hate byu more than anybody, but I disagree, I hope they come back. Its nice to have conference mates that fill 60k stadiums and a conference with good teams. The more good teams the better. We have enough SJSU's and Hawaii's. We need more Boise's and SDSU's.

(Yes, byu is horrible this year, but thats an anomaly and too small a sample size. Unfortunately byu won't stay down for long.)

Are you sure that you hate them more than I do?

2004AG wrote:

NVAggie wrote:I’m fine with losing Rayshad. Nathan is better. Don’t know what Joe would have been for us. I never like to lose good talent.

Is there a limit on talented slot receivers? I wish we had both of them.

Agreed. Having both would certainly not be a problem. I really like Nathan, and he's set up for a great USU career. I disagree that he's more talented though, Rayshad is a really special player.

I also very highly doubt he's "regretting" his decision right now. The kid spent his childhood in Baltimore and now he's back home and playing for a B1G team with an excellent coach, and which would very likely be doing well if they weren't on their 4th string quarterback. They'll be decent the next few years and he'll be a big part of that offense.

We don’t need more players with over-inflated egos. Glad Rayshad is gone.

bleu wrote:

2004AG wrote:

NVAggie wrote:I’m fine with losing Rayshad. Nathan is better. Don’t know what Joe would have been for us. I never like to lose good talent.

Is there a limit on talented slot receivers? I wish we had both of them.

Agreed. Having both would certainly not be a problem. I really like Nathan, and he's set up for a great USU career. I disagree that he's more talented though, Rayshad is a really special player.

I also very highly doubt he's "regretting" his decision right now. The kid spent his childhood in Baltimore and now he's back home and playing for a B1G team with an excellent coach, and which would very likely be doing well if they weren't on their 4th string quarterback. They'll be decent the next few years and he'll be a big part of that offense.

Lol. He is good, but remember when he got chased down from behind and couldn't breakaway from MW linebackers? Maybe he does end up doing well at Maryland against the defenses of Michigan, OSU, michigan St, Penn state, Iowa, etc. but I strongly doubt this Small fish in a big pond