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Didn’t the search firm find Tommy Connor and he balked at 2359?2004AG wrote:I guess I still have that bad taste in my mouth after we paid the search firm to hire Tim Duryea.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 3:24 pmI have my concerns about them as well, but there are several benefits and given the players may actually be essential:
1. Confidentiality. Most have jobs already and don't want their employer to know until at least an initial match has been made.
2. Head Hunter. Kind of a clearinghouse for coaches and schools that can be regularly updated without contacting hundreds of different ADs and coaches.
3. Initial Negotiations. How much a school may pay and how much a coach is looking for, including other benefits, can be discussed casually without getting together.
4. Deniability. May be the most important. Both sides can say that they never spoke or met.
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I didn't see Keegan's "fake news" tweet, does anyone have screen shot? Not on his personal or professional page. Did he delete it?
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I saw it. I believe it said “check your source” or something like that with a hashtag #fakenews. I did not get a screenshot of it.
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Gone now.... hmmmbluegrouse wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 1:20 pmI saw it. I believe it said “check your source” or something like that with a hashtag #fakenews. I did not get a screenshot of it.
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The Mole People must have gotten to him...ViAggie wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 1:26 pmGone now.... hmmmbluegrouse wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 1:20 pmI saw it. I believe it said “check your source” or something like that with a hashtag #fakenews. I did not get a screenshot of it.
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Gary or Keegan?bluegrouse wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 1:59 pmThe Mole People must have gotten to him...ViAggie wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 1:26 pmGone now.... hmmmbluegrouse wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 1:20 pmI saw it. I believe it said “check your source” or something like that with a hashtag #fakenews. I did not get a screenshot of it.
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2004AG wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 3:40 pmI guess I still have that bad taste in my mouth after we paid the search firm to hire Tim Duryea.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 3:24 pmI have my concerns about them as well, but there are several benefits and given the players may actually be essential:
1. Confidentiality. Most have jobs already and don't want their employer to know until at least an initial match has been made.
2. Head Hunter. Kind of a clearinghouse for coaches and schools that can be regularly updated without contacting hundreds of different ADs and coaches.
3. Initial Negotiations. How much a school may pay and how much a coach is looking for, including other benefits, can be discussed casually without getting together.
4. Deniability. May be the most important. Both sides can say that they never spoke or met.
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ViAggie wrote:I didn't see Keegan's "fake news" tweet, does anyone have screen shot? Not on his personal or professional page. Did he delete it?
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I didn't know if I would agree with USUblue on a topic, but it appears we do on this one.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 12:10 pmI don’t agree. 10 to 14 days it’s reasonable and necessary to make the right higher. Let Wells take whoever he wants. If someone wants to follow Wells, they will. The new coach will have his own guys that he wants to bring in, and he may keep one or two of the current coaching staff. But that’s for him to decide. Just like Smith brought in his own guys. He didn’t keep any of Duryea’s guys and it’s worked out great.
The recruits that want to play at Utah State will embrace the new staff. The recruits that want to go with Wells will find a reason to do that. Relax! The process is necessary to get the right guy.
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Any new updates or rumors today, that are credible? Hope we get something done quick but just want the right guy and I trust Hartwell 100%.
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Mike Lynch, OC at Syracuse was seen in New York today.TrueBlueAggie123 wrote:Any new updates or rumors today, that are credible? Hope we get something done quick but just want the right guy and I trust Hartwell 100%.
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Coach Lynch ist awesome. Great guy and not someone I thought was interested but would be a good candidate. AK did I just fall for your sarcasm trap? Rumor is Georgia Tech is interviewing Candidates in NYC during this week as wellTheAKAggie wrote:Mike Lynch, OC at Syracuse was seen in New York today.TrueBlueAggie123 wrote:Any new updates or rumors today, that are credible? Hope we get something done quick but just want the right guy and I trust Hartwell 100%.
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I never understood the hate for USUblue. Not saying you are part of it, just seen a ton of posters be hard on him in the last year. For the most part he makes smart rational points. You could say he was over the top in his Duryea hate and there are more classy ways to criticize a bad coach. WIth that said USUblue was not wrong. Duryea was a bad coach and Smith is a big improvement. Him being hard on Duryea had the best interests of USU at heart.aggieaz wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:30 pmI didn't know if I would agree with USUblue on a topic, but it appears we do on this one.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 12:10 pmI don’t agree. 10 to 14 days it’s reasonable and necessary to make the right higher. Let Wells take whoever he wants. If someone wants to follow Wells, they will. The new coach will have his own guys that he wants to bring in, and he may keep one or two of the current coaching staff. But that’s for him to decide. Just like Smith brought in his own guys. He didn’t keep any of Duryea’s guys and it’s worked out great.
The recruits that want to play at Utah State will embrace the new staff. The recruits that want to go with Wells will find a reason to do that. Relax! The process is necessary to get the right guy.
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Syracuse is in NY so.......inconspicuous wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:53 pmCoach Lynch ist awesome. Great guy and not someone I thought was interested but would be a good candidate. AK did I just fall for your sarcasm trap? Rumor is Georgia Tech is interviewing Candidates in NYC during this week as wellTheAKAggie wrote:Mike Lynch, OC at Syracuse was seen in New York today.TrueBlueAggie123 wrote:Any new updates or rumors today, that are credible? Hope we get something done quick but just want the right guy and I trust Hartwell 100%.
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Some buddies who play in the DARK DAYS played for him and he is on the their top 5.inconspicuous wrote:Coach Lynch ist awesome. Great guy and not someone I thought was interested but would be a good candidate. AK did I just fall for your sarcasm trap? Rumor is Georgia Tech is interviewing Candidates in NYC during this week as wellTheAKAggie wrote:Mike Lynch, OC at Syracuse was seen in New York today.TrueBlueAggie123 wrote:Any new updates or rumors today, that are credible? Hope we get something done quick but just want the right guy and I trust Hartwell 100%.
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National Football Foundation is meeting in New York. John Hartwell said he was going there to meet with, and counsel with individuals he knows (and probably coaching candidates he knows may be there). Nothing like going to New York City to hide out from prying eyes of the local news and social media.
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I've come to respect USUBlue. But I can see why people started hating on him. I mean, USUBlue was right, but the thousands of posts about hiring and having the wrong coach did nothing to expedite a coaching change it just magnified the suffering for us on the message board.aggieaz wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:30 pmI never understood the hate for USUblue. Not saying you are part of it, just seen a ton of posters be hard on him in the last year. For the most part he makes smart rational points. You could say he was over the top in his Duryea hate and there are more classy ways to criticize a bad coach. WIth that said USUblue was not wrong. Duryea was a bad coach and Smith is a big improvement. Him being hard on Duryea had the best interests of USU at heart.
For me it just became white noise. Now that it's over I'm finding that I have to re-condition myself to read his posts.
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Welcome aboard then! I think you’ll find that my posts are very consistently pro Utah State only. Coaches, players, and administrators are not Utah State. I worry about what’s best for Utah State. And getting the next coaching search correct is what’s best for Utah State. If that means we lose some assistants, players, so be it. They can be replaced, but getting rid of a bad coach takes yearsaggieaz wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:30 pmI didn't know if I would agree with USUblue on a topic, but it appears we do on this one.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 12:10 pmI don’t agree. 10 to 14 days it’s reasonable and necessary to make the right higher. Let Wells take whoever he wants. If someone wants to follow Wells, they will. The new coach will have his own guys that he wants to bring in, and he may keep one or two of the current coaching staff. But that’s for him to decide. Just like Smith brought in his own guys. He didn’t keep any of Duryea’s guys and it’s worked out great.
The recruits that want to play at Utah State will embrace the new staff. The recruits that want to go with Wells will find a reason to do that. Relax! The process is necessary to get the right guy.
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Thanks I think BJ, but I do take exception with one of your comments. All of the noise did cause Duryea to be replaced I believe 1 year sooner. I would be stuck with him again this year if not for a ground swell of disappointment. It has to start somewhere. I’m not the only one that started it, but I take pride in banging on that drum loud enough that some people heard.brownjeans wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 9:51 pmI've come to respect USUBlue. But I can see why people started hating on him. I mean, USUBlue was right, but the thousands of posts about hiring and having the wrong coach did nothing to expedite a coaching change it just magnified the suffering for us on the message board.aggieaz wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:30 pmI never understood the hate for USUblue. Not saying you are part of it, just seen a ton of posters be hard on him in the last year. For the most part he makes smart rational points. You could say he was over the top in his Duryea hate and there are more classy ways to criticize a bad coach. WIth that said USUblue was not wrong. Duryea was a bad coach and Smith is a big improvement. Him being hard on Duryea had the best interests of USU at heart.
For me it just became white noise. Now that it's over I'm finding that I have to re-condition myself to read his posts.
Fans matter. The boosters and fans of Utah State are why there is an athletics program. Never forget that. We have power collectively.
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This is the freshest take I’ve seen. Obviously no idea on his source but he is a national writer for USA Today.TrueBlueAggie123 wrote:Any new updates or rumors today, that are credible? Hope we get something done quick but just want the right guy and I trust Hartwell 100%.
We will see how it turns out but it looks like this is going to take awhile and unlikely to end in GA coming back.
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Yes, I am happy to have something in common with you. Here's to Utah State!USUBlue wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 10:06 pmWelcome aboard then! I think you’ll find that my posts are very consistently pro Utah State only. Coaches, players, and administrators are not Utah State. I worry about what’s best for Utah State. And getting the next coaching search correct is what’s best for Utah State. If that means we lose some assistants, players, so be it. They can be replaced, but getting rid of a bad coach takes yearsaggieaz wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:30 pmI didn't know if I would agree with USUblue on a topic, but it appears we do on this one.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 12:10 pm
I don’t agree. 10 to 14 days it’s reasonable and necessary to make the right higher. Let Wells take whoever he wants. If someone wants to follow Wells, they will. The new coach will have his own guys that he wants to bring in, and he may keep one or two of the current coaching staff. But that’s for him to decide. Just like Smith brought in his own guys. He didn’t keep any of Duryea’s guys and it’s worked out great.
The recruits that want to play at Utah State will embrace the new staff. The recruits that want to go with Wells will find a reason to do that. Relax! The process is necessary to get the right guy.
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I mean no disrespect. And I agree we have power, but I'm jaded I guess because I think our voice isn't as loud as our dollars. Die-hard fans like you can't stand hurting USU by reducing your financial commitment - so you use your voice. I respect that.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 10:11 pmThanks I think BJ, but I do take exception with one of your comments. All of the noise did cause Duryea to be replaced I believe 1 year sooner. I would be stuck with him again this year if not for a ground swell of disappointment. It has to start somewhere. I’m not the only one that started it, but I take pride in banging on that drum loud enough that some people heard.brownjeans wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 9:51 pmI've come to respect USUBlue. But I can see why people started hating on him. I mean, USUBlue was right, but the thousands of posts about hiring and having the wrong coach did nothing to expedite a coaching change it just magnified the suffering for us on the message board.aggieaz wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:30 pmI never understood the hate for USUblue. Not saying you are part of it, just seen a ton of posters be hard on him in the last year. For the most part he makes smart rational points. You could say he was over the top in his Duryea hate and there are more classy ways to criticize a bad coach. WIth that said USUblue was not wrong. Duryea was a bad coach and Smith is a big improvement. Him being hard on Duryea had the best interests of USU at heart.
For me it just became white noise. Now that it's over I'm finding that I have to re-condition myself to read his posts.
Fans matter. The boosters and fans of Utah State are why there is an athletics program. Never forget that. We have power collectively.
But change wasn't going to happen until the die-easy fans took their money away and the finances forced the change. Voices weren't enough. USU made the change when the cost of empty seats hurt more than paying a coach to not coach.
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So if this search firm prides itself on no leaks and Hartwell isn’t talking, how does he know? You might as well say the reason Urban Myer just announced he will retire from Ohio State, after the Rose Bowl, is because he wants to come back to Utah and coach the Aggies this time. I guess he could have gone to Gary directly but his post doesn’t seem to indicate that. And no, I’m not saying Gary or Urban are coming. I just think that nobody knows what is going on right now.Cheecho6 wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 10:32 pmThis is the freshest take I’ve seen. Obviously no idea on his source but he is a national writer for USA Today.TrueBlueAggie123 wrote:Any new updates or rumors today, that are credible? Hope we get something done quick but just want the right guy and I trust Hartwell 100%.
We will see how it turns out but it looks like this is going to take awhile and unlikely to end in GA coming back.
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aggieaz wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 12:05 amYes, I am happy to have something in common with you. Here's to Utah State!USUBlue wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 10:06 pmWelcome aboard then! I think you’ll find that my posts are very consistently pro Utah State only. Coaches, players, and administrators are not Utah State. I worry about what’s best for Utah State. And getting the next coaching search correct is what’s best for Utah State. If that means we lose some assistants, players, so be it. They can be replaced, but getting rid of a bad coach takes yearsaggieaz wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:30 pmI didn't know if I would agree with USUblue on a topic, but it appears we do on this one.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 12:10 pm
I don’t agree. 10 to 14 days it’s reasonable and necessary to make the right higher. Let Wells take whoever he wants. If someone wants to follow Wells, they will. The new coach will have his own guys that he wants to bring in, and he may keep one or two of the current coaching staff. But that’s for him to decide. Just like Smith brought in his own guys. He didn’t keep any of Duryea’s guys and it’s worked out great.
The recruits that want to play at Utah State will embrace the new staff. The recruits that want to go with Wells will find a reason to do that. Relax! The process is necessary to get the right guy.
My all time favorite USUBlue post:
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I liked that thread also. It was nice to be wrong about Wells' prospects last year -- he made a nice turn around and got us back to a 6-7 year. Nothing special, but better than 5-7. Always happy to be wrong if it means USU is doing better.BeNo wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 6:50 amaggieaz wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 12:05 amYes, I am happy to have something in common with you. Here's to Utah State!USUBlue wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 10:06 pm
Welcome aboard then! I think you’ll find that my posts are very consistently pro Utah State only. Coaches, players, and administrators are not Utah State. I worry about what’s best for Utah State. And getting the next coaching search correct is what’s best for Utah State. If that means we lose some assistants, players, so be it. They can be replaced, but getting rid of a bad coach takes years
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I don't really get why this thread was dug up from the past?BeNo wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 6:50 amaggieaz wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 12:05 amYes, I am happy to have something in common with you. Here's to Utah State!USUBlue wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 10:06 pmWelcome aboard then! I think you’ll find that my posts are very consistently pro Utah State only. Coaches, players, and administrators are not Utah State. I worry about what’s best for Utah State. And getting the next coaching search correct is what’s best for Utah State. If that means we lose some assistants, players, so be it. They can be replaced, but getting rid of a bad coach takes yearsaggieaz wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:30 pmI didn't know if I would agree with USUblue on a topic, but it appears we do on this one.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 12:10 pm
I don’t agree. 10 to 14 days it’s reasonable and necessary to make the right higher. Let Wells take whoever he wants. If someone wants to follow Wells, they will. The new coach will have his own guys that he wants to bring in, and he may keep one or two of the current coaching staff. But that’s for him to decide. Just like Smith brought in his own guys. He didn’t keep any of Duryea’s guys and it’s worked out great.
The recruits that want to play at Utah State will embrace the new staff. The recruits that want to go with Wells will find a reason to do that. Relax! The process is necessary to get the right guy.
My all time favorite USUBlue post:
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Just ribbing USUBlue. He took it better than you.aggies22 wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 7:32 amI don't really get why this thread was dug up from the past?BeNo wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 6:50 amaggieaz wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 12:05 amYes, I am happy to have something in common with you. Here's to Utah State!USUBlue wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 10:06 pmWelcome aboard then! I think you’ll find that my posts are very consistently pro Utah State only. Coaches, players, and administrators are not Utah State. I worry about what’s best for Utah State. And getting the next coaching search correct is what’s best for Utah State. If that means we lose some assistants, players, so be it. They can be replaced, but getting rid of a bad coach takes yearsaggieaz wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:30 pmI didn't know if I would agree with USUblue on a topic, but it appears we do on this one.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 12:10 pm
I don’t agree. 10 to 14 days it’s reasonable and necessary to make the right higher. Let Wells take whoever he wants. If someone wants to follow Wells, they will. The new coach will have his own guys that he wants to bring in, and he may keep one or two of the current coaching staff. But that’s for him to decide. Just like Smith brought in his own guys. He didn’t keep any of Duryea’s guys and it’s worked out great.
The recruits that want to play at Utah State will embrace the new staff. The recruits that want to go with Wells will find a reason to do that. Relax! The process is necessary to get the right guy.
My all time favorite USUBlue post:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=44641
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That's fine. I was asking a simple question.BeNo wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 7:51 amJust ribbing USUBlue. He took it better than you.aggies22 wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 7:32 amI don't really get why this thread was dug up from the past?BeNo wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 6:50 amaggieaz wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 12:05 amYes, I am happy to have something in common with you. Here's to Utah State!USUBlue wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 10:06 pmWelcome aboard then! I think you’ll find that my posts are very consistently pro Utah State only. Coaches, players, and administrators are not Utah State. I worry about what’s best for Utah State. And getting the next coaching search correct is what’s best for Utah State. If that means we lose some assistants, players, so be it. They can be replaced, but getting rid of a bad coach takes yearsaggieaz wrote: ↑December 3rd, 2018, 8:30 pmI didn't know if I would agree with USUblue on a topic, but it appears we do on this one.USUBlue wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2018, 12:10 pm
I don’t agree. 10 to 14 days it’s reasonable and necessary to make the right higher. Let Wells take whoever he wants. If someone wants to follow Wells, they will. The new coach will have his own guys that he wants to bring in, and he may keep one or two of the current coaching staff. But that’s for him to decide. Just like Smith brought in his own guys. He didn’t keep any of Duryea’s guys and it’s worked out great.
The recruits that want to play at Utah State will embrace the new staff. The recruits that want to go with Wells will find a reason to do that. Relax! The process is necessary to get the right guy.
My all time favorite USUBlue post:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=44641
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What are you, some sort of geography savant?
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Holy Crap!!! Is this true‽‽‽ This is AMAZING news!!! We're bound for glory!WasatchAggie wrote: ↑December 4th, 2018, 6:45 amthe reason Urban Myer just announced he will retire from Ohio State, after the Rose Bowl, is because he wants to come back to Utah and coach the Aggies this time.
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