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I don’t love our defensive scheme
It just feels so different than last year. Not nearly as aggressive etc.. No sacks, Tipa non factor (again) and very few TFL’s. Can we go back to the 3-4?
Love the win but I really want to see more on D.
Love the win but I really want to see more on D.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
I am happy we won, but I agree with this wholeheartedly. I much preferred last years scheme.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
So, the scheme put us in a position to get hands on the ball but we can't catch. Doesn't sound like scheme to me.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
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August 20th, I thought that we should run a 3-4 after looking at the roster.
August 20th, I thought that we should run a 3-4 after looking at the roster.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
You might also consider that we didn't show a lot of different looks tonight because we didn't need them to beat Stony Brook, but don't want SDSU to have more film.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
I hope you are right. Still can’t believe that Tipas yet to record a sack. Against SB I would ha e thought we would have lived in the backfield on D.YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 9:40 pmYou might also consider that we didn't show a lot of different looks tonight because we didn't need them to beat Stony Brook, but don't want SDSU to have more film.
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Worry not, they were rolling out away from him and he didn't play the full set of reps he would normally play.Elkaggie wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 9:43 pmI hope you are right. Still can’t believe that Tipas yet to record a sack. Against SB I would ha e thought we would have lived in the backfield on D.YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 9:40 pmYou might also consider that we didn't show a lot of different looks tonight because we didn't need them to beat Stony Brook, but don't want SDSU to have more film.
Also I think he would have at least one if the refs hadn't been allergic to throwing flags for holding against Wake Forest.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
Nice to see posters shift away from OC complaints to where the focus needs to be...defensive scheme and/or coaches. This is Stony Brook and the total yards 263(?) and especially 108 (?) on the ground is too many. Even 155 in the air is hard to digest. I suspect if Gary does not take over the coordinator duties himself and very soon we will be in trouble if the offense has even an average output night.
If my memory serves me right and there is a good chance it does not...Aggies struggled in Gary's earliest years until he took over the defense. I for one miss Keith Patterson now at Texas Tech...he has put together two stellar defensive outings... granted it is Montana State and UTEP but look at UTEPS total yards today. That is how it is supposed to be. Would love to hear from anyone closer to the program than I am and get their take where the problem resides. Is it Ena or defensive position coaches? My opinion it is not a lack of talent in the secondary but either scheme or coaching.
If my memory serves me right and there is a good chance it does not...Aggies struggled in Gary's earliest years until he took over the defense. I for one miss Keith Patterson now at Texas Tech...he has put together two stellar defensive outings... granted it is Montana State and UTEP but look at UTEPS total yards today. That is how it is supposed to be. Would love to hear from anyone closer to the program than I am and get their take where the problem resides. Is it Ena or defensive position coaches? My opinion it is not a lack of talent in the secondary but either scheme or coaching.
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1. Total yardage is useless without consideration of a per-play measure.Mediocre at Best wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 10:03 pmNice to see posters shift away from OC complaints to where the focus needs to be...defensive scheme and/or coaches. This is Stony Brook and the total yards 263(?) and especially 108 (?) on the ground is too many. Even 155 in the air is hard to digest. I suspect if Gary does not take over the coordinator duties himself and very soon we will be in trouble if the offense has even an average output night.
If my memory serves me right and there is a good chance it does not...Aggies struggled in Gary's earliest years until he took over the defense. I for one miss Keith Patterson now at Texas Tech...he has put together two stellar defensive outings... granted it is Montana State and UTEP but look at UTEPS total yards today. That is how it is supposed to be. Would love to hear from anyone closer to the program than I am and get their take where the problem resides. Is it Ena or defensive position coaches? My opinion it is not a lack of talent in the secondary but either scheme or coaching.
2. Looking at opponent yardage without comparing it to our own yardage is not a smart idea.
2a. Looking at opponent yardage without adjusting for our backups is not a good idea either.
3. Montana State is FCS and UTEP is potentially the worst team in FBS.
4. We have had some injuries to start the season, especially in the secondary, and I doubt we are putting everything out on film right now anyway.
5. Relax, we looked fine.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
Mediocre at Best wrote:Nice to see posters shift away from OC complaints to where the focus needs to be...defensive scheme and/or coaches. This is Stony Brook and the total yards 263(?) and especially 108 (?) on the ground is too many. Even 155 in the air is hard to digest. I suspect if Gary does not take over the coordinator duties himself and very soon we will be in trouble if the offense has even an average output night.
If my memory serves me right and there is a good chance it does not...Aggies struggled in Gary's earliest years until he took over the defense. I for one miss Keith Patterson now at Texas Tech...he has put together two stellar defensive outings... granted it is Montana State and UTEP but look at UTEPS total yards today. That is how it is supposed to be. Would love to hear from anyone closer to the program than I am and get their take where the problem resides. Is it Ena or defensive position coaches? My opinion it is not a lack of talent in the secondary but either scheme or coaching.
I mean SB is a significantly better team than Tennessee Tech was last year and we game up 43 on the ground and 152 through the air. I’m not a huge fan of what we’ve seen so far, but I’m not ready to say that our defense is as bad as this thread makes it seem.
I miss the defenses we’ve played in the past for sure. Aranda’s was the most fun to watch in my opinion.
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I do agree with all of the above...however it is hard to relax keeping in mind this is FCS Stony Brook. No matter what slight of hand or lens you put on this its still Stony Brook and even with injuries etc. second teamers playing the entre game should not allow 108 yards on the ground. No picks is diagnostic against a team of this caliber is cause for concern. .
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It is 108 yards on 31 carries. That's less than 4 yards per carry, which is still fairly bad for the collegiate level.Mediocre at Best wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 10:17 pmI do agree with all of the above...however it is hard to relax keeping in mind this is FCS Stony Brook. No matter what slight of hand or lens you put on this its still Stony Brook and even with injuries etc. second teamers playing the entre game should not allow 108 yards on the ground. No picks is diagnostic against a team of this caliber is cause for concern. .
We had a pick in the first half. I think it was Andre Grayson. We also held them to 3.7 yards per pass. That's a great average.
Add in the fact that we had more than SEVEN HUNDRED yards, and their 263 total offensive yards is decidedly not good.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
Poor argument against the defense tonight. They aren’t nearly as bad as your eye is telling you.
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Some of you guys have to be trolling people because you can't honestly be this inept about the game of football. We gave up 7 FREAKING PTS for the whole game!!! And they were SCORED on our back ups. I'm actually shocked no one is concerned tonight that the offense only had 700 yrds.
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NV Aggie - Lets hope not. Are you referring to just tonight or last week as well? I guess the real eye test is around the corner as we move into MW play. I just don't see how the team can beat some of the teams coming up in the absence of a more aggressive pressure defense.
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Let’s be honest, we won’t know much from the Body Bag Balancer game. It isn’t meant to test our team. Last week was a tough loss for a young team. I am as nervous as anyone, but this game never was meant to tell the story of this team.
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I am still very nervous about our secondary. This QBs were garbage (#9 had a little better throw game).
To draw any conclusions on either side of the ball is a joke. I do wonder were Tipa had gone. I've hardly noticed Devon Anderson as well. We need a strong presence from them to be successful.
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To draw any conclusions on either side of the ball is a joke. I do wonder were Tipa had gone. I've hardly noticed Devon Anderson as well. We need a strong presence from them to be successful.
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I think you can safely say that beating them this badly is a good sign. Or at least not a bad omen. If we had played them close I think you could definitely draw some sad conclusions. I am thinking about that SUU game from 2015 that foreshadowed a team that could absolutely fall apart at the seams.dyedblue wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 10:45 pmI am still very nervous about our secondary. This QBs were garbage (#9 had a little better throw game).
To draw any conclusions on either side of the ball is a joke. I do wonder were Tipa had gone. I've hardly noticed Devon Anderson as well. We need a strong presence from them to be successful.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
When you put up 62 points as quickly as we do, the opposing offense is going to have SEVERAL extra possessions in which they will likely put up more yardage than if we ran a more conventional offensive scheme.
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+1000. Sb averaged 3 yards a passing attempt and 3.5 yards a run and our 3rd string defense played the whole 4th.YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 10:08 pm1. Total yardage is useless without consideration of a per-play measure.Mediocre at Best wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 10:03 pmNice to see posters shift away from OC complaints to where the focus needs to be...defensive scheme and/or coaches. This is Stony Brook and the total yards 263(?) and especially 108 (?) on the ground is too many. Even 155 in the air is hard to digest. I suspect if Gary does not take over the coordinator duties himself and very soon we will be in trouble if the offense has even an average output night.
If my memory serves me right and there is a good chance it does not...Aggies struggled in Gary's earliest years until he took over the defense. I for one miss Keith Patterson now at Texas Tech...he has put together two stellar defensive outings... granted it is Montana State and UTEP but look at UTEPS total yards today. That is how it is supposed to be. Would love to hear from anyone closer to the program than I am and get their take where the problem resides. Is it Ena or defensive position coaches? My opinion it is not a lack of talent in the secondary but either scheme or coaching.
2. Looking at opponent yardage without comparing it to our own yardage is not a smart idea.
2a. Looking at opponent yardage without adjusting for our backups is not a good idea either.
3. Montana State is FCS and UTEP is potentially the worst team in FBS.
4. We have had some injuries to start the season, especially in the secondary, and I doubt we are putting everything out on film right now anyway.
5. Relax, we looked fine.
That's not to say I'm sold on the D but as fast as the O goes and the fact it was 41-0 before they scored there isnt much to complain about this week.
The 4 2 5 is a solid scheme and I think they will get better. lampkins is going to be a stud. The safeties are going to be killing it in a couple games and DJ is a proud player who will take things personally. Talivea is too.
We will see but I think they improve quickly.
But criticizing less than 300 yards in this type of game is silly.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
Wells had SUU right where he wanted them. We had been practicing desperate punt returns for touchdowns during all of fall camp. It’s just situational football practice that prepares the kids to succeed in games.YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 10:50 pmI think you can safely say that beating them this badly is a good sign. Or at least not a bad omen. If we had played them close I think you could definitely draw some sad conclusions. I am thinking about that SUU game from 2015 that foreshadowed a team that could absolutely fall apart at the seams.
I will never forgive Wells for losing control of that 2015 team.
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The fact that this is even a thread is ridiculous. We give up 7 points to one of the higher rated FCS teams and we are already questioning the defensive schemes?JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 10:33 pmSome of you guys have to be trolling people because you can't honestly be this inept about the game of football. We gave up 7 FREAKING PTS for the whole game!!! And they were SCORED on our back ups. I'm actually shocked no one is concerned tonight that the offense only had 700 yrds.
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Stellar defensive outing against Montana State...3.5 yard per rush for the Bobcats. Disappointing performance against Stony Brook...3.5 yards per rush for the sea wolves.Mediocre at Best wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 10:03 pmNice to see posters shift away from OC complaints to where the focus needs to be...defensive scheme and/or coaches. This is Stony Brook and the total yards 263(?) and especially 108 (?) on the ground is too many. Even 155 in the air is hard to digest. I suspect if Gary does not take over the coordinator duties himself and very soon we will be in trouble if the offense has even an average output night.
If my memory serves me right and there is a good chance it does not...Aggies struggled in Gary's earliest years until he took over the defense. I for one miss Keith Patterson now at Texas Tech...he has put together two stellar defensive outings... granted it is Montana State and UTEP but look at UTEPS total yards today. That is how it is supposed to be. Would love to hear from anyone closer to the program than I am and get their take where the problem resides. Is it Ena or defensive position coaches? My opinion it is not a lack of talent in the secondary but either scheme or coaching.
You are seeing things.
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Hot damn this was a good post!GeoAg wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 11:06 pmStellar defensive outing against Montana State...3.5 yard per rush for the Bobcats. Disappointing performance against Stony Brook...3.5 yards per rush for the sea wolves.Mediocre at Best wrote: ↑September 7th, 2019, 10:03 pmNice to see posters shift away from OC complaints to where the focus needs to be...defensive scheme and/or coaches. This is Stony Brook and the total yards 263(?) and especially 108 (?) on the ground is too many. Even 155 in the air is hard to digest. I suspect if Gary does not take over the coordinator duties himself and very soon we will be in trouble if the offense has even an average output night.
If my memory serves me right and there is a good chance it does not...Aggies struggled in Gary's earliest years until he took over the defense. I for one miss Keith Patterson now at Texas Tech...he has put together two stellar defensive outings... granted it is Montana State and UTEP but look at UTEPS total yards today. That is how it is supposed to be. Would love to hear from anyone closer to the program than I am and get their take where the problem resides. Is it Ena or defensive position coaches? My opinion it is not a lack of talent in the secondary but either scheme or coaching.
You are seeing things.
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I think most are missing the point. At least my point. The Defense doesn’t suck. The lack of aggressiveness, TO’s and TFL’s and sacks is what concerns me. How can we not have one single sack tonight????
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Two words: Vanilla Defense
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Guys, could we go one game without complaining about something?
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
LOL..the reading comprehension and overreaction to any little thing observed is getting crazy around here. I thought it was a good observation, one that several fans obviously noticed as well. The comments about being upset about giving up 7 points or "complaining" are a huge leap from what was stated and have nothing to do with the topic at hand. The concern is our scheme and the lack of defensive production coming from it compared to year's past, especially given the notion that we supposedly have more talent on D than in previous years.
I do think there is reason for concern with what is being done to our D in certain situations. True it is only two games but it's obvious that it is open season on DJ so far and a defense that was at the top of a lot of statistical categories last year should be recording some of those stats against FCS competition. Maybe it's true that we didn't want to put too much on film tonight but I also don't think defense is something you can just turn on and off.
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Re: I don’t love our defensive scheme
So I guess if you fellas want some answers on our scheme, you'll need to ask your self these questions.Aglicious wrote: ↑September 8th, 2019, 1:49 amLOL..the reading comprehension and overreaction to any little thing observed is getting crazy around here. I thought it was a good observation, one that several fans obviously noticed as well. The comments about being upset about giving up 7 points or "complaining" are a huge leap from what was stated and have nothing to do with the topic at hand. The concern is our scheme and the lack of defensive production coming from it compared to year's past, especially given the notion that we supposedly have more talent on D than in previous years.
I do think there is reason for concern with what is being done to our D in certain situations. True it is only two games but it's obvious that it is open season on DJ so far and a defense that was at the top of a lot of statistical categories last year should be recording some of those stats against FCS competition. Maybe it's true that we didn't want to put too much on film tonight but I also don't think defense is something you can just turn on and off.
Were we attempting to bring pressure? So did we run a variety of different line stunts and twists. Did we also run different blitz packages. Tipa got there a couple of times last night but didn't record any sacks, but he did level the opposing QB on 1 occasion as he was releasing the ball. Let's not forget he's also been double teamed a lot this season. As far as TO's go I believe we dropped like 3 or four INT's and 1 would have been a pick 6.We also had 3 guys that couldn't pick up a fumble last night. As far as DJ goes he was a lot better in coverage last night, and wasn't missing tackles. He's not a lock down corner though. Go watch his flim from last yr he got beat a lot. People rember the 4 INT's and think he was great but a lot of those were on bad throws by the QBs. He'll be solid but Lampkin will be a much better cover CB. So I am a little worried about him, but he's a fighter and will do his best!