The NCAA caved.


https://apnews.com/325f23d5acc649b48c047b75a79e0e0c


I think this can only hurt USU.

FWIW, one objective from their press release bodes well for USU, "protect the recruiting environment and prohibit inducements to select, remain at, or transfer to a specific institution."

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/me ... ortunities

The NCAA is weak. It doesn't really care about anybody but the mighty dollar.

Now all those 4 star recruits we get are sure to go somewhere else.


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I hope they put a cap on how much players can make. This will even the playing field for the schools and allow athletes to support themselves and their families. Everyone wins.

NVAggie wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 12:31 pm

The NCAA is weak. It doesn't really care about anybody but the mighty dollar.

They know that if they don't tread lightly, they will lose the P5's, which could easily go off and form their own Athletic Association. They could simply join the NIT if they wanted, have the NIT D1 (them) and then NIT D2-3 (everyone else).

I think it depends how much they cave. It really seems like the NCAA is gonna do everything they can to avoid financial compensation. "...benefit from the use of their name, image and likeness in a manner consistent with the collegiate model." The only time they specifically mention compensation is when they say they want to ensure that players don't receive compensation for athletic performance or participation. It seems to me the largest threat at the moment to USU is how far larger schools/companies will go inevitably beyond whatever rules the NCAA decides to set.

ViAggie wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 12:45 pm

NVAggie wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 12:31 pm

The NCAA is weak. It doesn't really care about anybody but the mighty dollar.

They know that if they don't tread lightly, they will lose the P5's, which could easily go off and form their own Athletic Association. They could simply join the NIT if they wanted, have the NIT D1 (them) and then NIT D2-3 (everyone else).

G5's should form their own playoff in my opinion. If we can't get invited, why don't we just have our own?

I don't think this have a huge impact on USU and the players we recruit. I do like the idea of having your more high profile players be able to be a on a local car dealership ad and earn some money through things like that. The part that could hurt is benefits are promised to a recruit if he signs with a school. Let's be honest I am sure this part already happens. Doesn't sound like this bill is saying that the university will be compensating them financially other than what they already do with tuition, books, apartments, monthly stipend etc. Players should be able to market themselves and earn side money while they are going to school if businesses are willing to have them be sponsors etc.

Death to the Midmajors!

When this all rolls out, I'm sure I will be able to completely segregate myself from sports as a media.

I still don't see how this changes who we sign much. Ohio State and Alabama are still going to get the best of the best. Our top players will now be able to make a little money through partnering with local restaurants or something, but they wouldn't have that opportunity at an Alabama, as they would not be the best players on the team.

dhilk3785 wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 1:23 pm

I still don't see how this changes who we sign much. Ohio State and Alabama are still going to get the best of the best. Our top players will now be able to make a little money through partnering with local restaurants or something, but they wouldn't have that opportunity at an Alabama, as they would not be the best players on the team.

I think the difference will be that schools will be able to have the Adidas "scandal" more out in the open now. The big schools will be able to tell all their recruits that they'll sign a minimum Adidas "sponsorship" agreement, and they'll be paid that way. That's not what this was meant to allow, but it will just make the illegal recruiting and paying of athletes that much easier. Just pay them through a sponsor.

The problem with this is the transfer portal and the "break out players"

Perfect example Jordan Love.

1-Player is not heavily recruited gets a scholly to a mid major.
2- Player has a phenominal year as a freshman or soph or whatever.
3- USC donor looks over the fence (with the help of USC coaches) and says would really like that guy on our team.
4- Donor contacts player through his agent, or privately, and tells player "hey enter the transfer portal and you'll get paid X dollars for likeness here at USC" my business pornhub will pay you 100K a year.
5- Player enters portal and transfers to USC.
6- USU is gutted and USC gets its man.
7- The Rich get richer the poor get poorer and Break Out Find type players all play in Big Markets for Big money.


At least in the NFL they have a salary cap .

This has none.

No limit that payers can be paid privately for their likeness

Big market teams (Big populations with lots of business sponsors) win small market teams (small populations few business sponsors) lose.

Of course nobody wants to sponsor linemen and long snappers etc. unless have big big money.

And very few women in womens sports will ever get a sponsorship dollar.

This is bad for all G-5 and most P-5.

I think you will end up with about 20 -30 teams in the country that can get these prime transfers and pay the money.

And end up with loaded with (Real) 5 star teams not just the recruiting board model.

Bad news all the way around.

Amateur college sports are dead.

I really don't want to go watch 2 teams where everybody's getting paid as mercinaries.

College sports was orginally played for school and pride.

NO its SHOW ME DA MONEY!!!!

Here come the blood sucking agents.

You think these kids get taken advantage of now wait until you bring in the agents..

Gonna be ugly.

treesap32 wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 1:30 pm

dhilk3785 wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 1:23 pm

I still don't see how this changes who we sign much. Ohio State and Alabama are still going to get the best of the best. Our top players will now be able to make a little money through partnering with local restaurants or something, but they wouldn't have that opportunity at an Alabama, as they would not be the best players on the team.

I think the difference will be that schools will be able to have the Adidas "scandal" more out in the open now. The big schools will be able to tell all their recruits that they'll sign a minimum Adidas "sponsorship" agreement, and they'll be paid that way. That's not what this was meant to allow, but it will just make the illegal recruiting and paying of athletes that much easier. Just pay them through a sponsor.

Fair point. Though I still feel like for the players we recruit they're deciding between being a big fish in a small pond or small fish in a big pond. They could either get a bench player P5 Adidas sponsorship from Arizona State or a starter G5 Nike sponsorship through Utah State, plus Ensign Honda, the Best Western Weston Inn, and Angie (Where Player X eats) or whatever other local business wants to sponsor a starter. I imagine they won't be allowed to wear university branded items in their advertisements, since that would amount to the university getting involved.

I'm pretty sure that this is practically already happening and really won't affect us much.

Case in point: watching the Tiger Walk at LSU, each player - to a person - was wearing a super nice suit on their way into the game. I was in college once. I worked multiple jobs and could barely make ends meet. I couldn't afford a suit, much less a super nice one. I'm not sure how any of those guys, who already have to juggle the rigorous demands of getting an education and preparing for a potential professional football career, could ever afford a nice suit.

The cream of the crop is already getting paid.

That is fine, If I were a student, I wouldn't want my hard earned money going to non-amateur athletes. Let the boosters and businesses pay for their "college". As a taxpayer, I don't want to pay into a system like this any more. College should be about school.

Sl7vk wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 12:59 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 12:45 pm

NVAggie wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 12:31 pm

The NCAA is weak. It doesn't really care about anybody but the mighty dollar.

They know that if they don't tread lightly, they will lose the P5's, which could easily go off and form their own Athletic Association. They could simply join the NIT if they wanted, have the NIT D1 (them) and then NIT D2-3 (everyone else).

G5's should form their own playoff in my opinion. If we can't get invited, why don't we just have our own?

I had the same thought. It is very unlikely that any g5 team will ever make it to the playoffs why don't we have our own. Every other NCAA sport has a real playoff except for D1 football. Go Aggies!

treesap32 wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 1:30 pm

dhilk3785 wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 1:23 pm

I still don't see how this changes who we sign much. Ohio State and Alabama are still going to get the best of the best. Our top players will now be able to make a little money through partnering with local restaurants or something, but they wouldn't have that opportunity at an Alabama, as they would not be the best players on the team.

I think the difference will be that schools will be able to have the Adidas "scandal" more out in the open now. The big schools will be able to tell all their recruits that they'll sign a minimum Adidas "sponsorship" agreement, and they'll be paid that way. That's not what this was meant to allow, but it will just make the illegal recruiting and paying of athletes that much easier. Just pay them through a sponsor.

And just like that, Bill Self and KU are off the hook, if they were even on one to begin with. But UMKC might want to watch over their shoulder.

This could actually help teams like USU. Let's say you are a 3* recruit. Are you really going to make any money from sponsors on an LSU team? If you are the top recruit/player for a midmajor like USU you will at least get local sponsorship. You will have local companies wanting their product/company associated with a player like Merrill who everyone loves. I'm certain there will be Aggies that will make money from this that would not make money in a bigger program.

Chupamedia wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 3:10 pm

This could actually help teams like USU. Let's say you are a 3* recruit. Are you really going to make any money from sponsors on an LSU team? If you are the top recruit/player for a midmajor like USU you will at least get local sponsorship. You will have local companies wanting their product/company associated with a player like Merrill who everyone loves. I'm certain there will be Aggies that will make money from this that would not make money in a bigger program.

Its a good point. Ill be curious to see how this all plays out. I think its the way it should go. Coaches and admins make way too much and players too little.

NVAggie wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 2:34 pm

That is fine, If I were a student, I wouldn't want my hard earned money going to non-amateur athletes. Let the boosters and businesses pay for their "college". As a taxpayer, I don't want to pay into a system like this any more. College should be about school.

This is exactly correct .

What percentage of student tuition go's to pay for athletics? Can a student opt out?

How much does the state contribute in money, facilities, maintenance and coaches?

How much a year?

So now these guys with big endorsement deals get paid by the students the state and the boosters?

Because they are associated with the football or bball team? That is paid for and maintained by the state and the students?

Man if I was still in college working my (I can't express myself without swearing) off for every penny while paying full tuition and fees , and I saw one of these guys living off my fees driving a new sports car around and getting a big pay day besides. I would want them to pay me and the state back.

I worked hard with one full time and one part time job to get through college.

bigbluebaby wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 3:22 pm

NVAggie wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 2:34 pm

That is fine, If I were a student, I wouldn't want my hard earned money going to non-amateur athletes. Let the boosters and businesses pay for their "college". As a taxpayer, I don't want to pay into a system like this any more. College should be about school.

This is exactly correct .

What percentage of tuition go's to pay for athletics?

How much does the state contribute in money, facilities, maintenance and coaches?

How much a year?

So now these guys with big endorsement deals get paid by the students the state and the boosters?

Because they are associated with the football or bball team? That is paid for and maintained by the state and the students?

Man if I was still in college working my (I can't express myself without swearing) off for every penny while paying full tuition and fees , and I saw one of these guys living off my fees driving a new sports car around and getting a big pay day besides. I would want them to pay me and the state back.

I worked hard with one full time and one part time job to get through college.

They're working their asses off as well with on average of 40 hours per week dedicated to the sport, plus having to maintain a full course load, studying, projects, required travel, attempts at social lives, and zero time to have any actual income to pay for an ice cream or go on a date. So I respectfully disagree.

dhilk3785 wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 3:29 pm

bigbluebaby wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 3:22 pm

NVAggie wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 2:34 pm

That is fine, If I were a student, I wouldn't want my hard earned money going to non-amateur athletes. Let the boosters and businesses pay for their "college". As a taxpayer, I don't want to pay into a system like this any more. College should be about school.

This is exactly correct .

What percentage of tuition go's to pay for athletics?

How much does the state contribute in money, facilities, maintenance and coaches?

How much a year?

So now these guys with big endorsement deals get paid by the students the state and the boosters?

Because they are associated with the football or bball team? That is paid for and maintained by the state and the students?

Man if I was still in college working my a** off for every penny while paying full tuition and fees , and I saw one of these guys living off my fees driving a new sports car around and getting a big pay day besides. I would want them to pay me and the state back.

I worked hard with one full time and one part time job to get through college.

They're working their asses off as well with on average of 40 hours per week dedicated to the sport, plus having to maintain a full course load, studying, projects, required travel, attempts at social lives, and zero time to have any actual income to pay for an ice cream or go on a date. So I respectfully disagree.

Not disrespecting what they do.
I didn't have much money in college either it all went to tuition and books.
But in all fairness It doesn't sound a lot different than what I did, Work full time, and go to school, as well as pay the student fee for athletics the entire time. As most students do now.
Nobody has to be an athlete its a choice.
Still I support athletes and athletics but it needs to be equitable .
It isn't the typical students fault that they can't play college level sports.
I think you will see student fee's looked at when all of the dust settles.

They also don't have to worry about making their room payment, utility bills, or buying food. All of that is taken care of. Let's not pretend that there isn't a significant benefit to being an athlete at a university.

Maybe players that leave early won't be as tempted to leave early. That means that the big name teams wont have as many scholarship to give out. Some players will be "forced" to go to a smaller school.

I tried to find it but couldn't, I think I remember a story of a college athlete who had a YouTube channel but got punished because he earned money from the advertising on his channel. This should clear that up. If a kid wants to post videos on their own channel instead of the university's and they get some advertising revenue, even though it probably won't be much, let them.

Also, if this helps bring back NCAA football and basketball video games I'm all for it.

To be honest, given the disparity that already exists, I think the Haves and the Have-nots should just split. I think a G5 national championship would be cool. They could still play each other, but anyone who thinks a G5 will win a national championship ever again is delusional. We might as well own it.

A really wild idea is to form different NCAA classifications based on athletic budget, similar to High School classifications.

Good!


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bigbluebaby wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 1:50 pm

The problem with this is the transfer portal and the "break out players"

Perfect example Jordan Love.

1-Player is not heavily recruited gets a scholly to a mid major.
2- Player has a phenominal year as a freshman or soph or whatever.
3- USC donor looks over the fence (with the help of USC coaches) and says would really like that guy on our team.
4- Donor contacts player through his agent, or privately, and tells player "hey enter the transfer portal and you'll get paid X dollars for likeness here at USC" my business pornhub will pay you 100K a year.
5- Player enters portal and transfers to USC.
6- USU is gutted and USC gets its man.
7- The Rich get richer the poor get poorer and Break Out Find type players all play in Big Markets for Big money.
nts.

Well, he does have the name for it...

Hopefully this means NCAA Football NCAA 2K20

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

October 31st, 2019, 8:13 am

Hopefully this means NCAA Football NCAA 2K20

And it's about damn time! Give each kid in the game $500 and call it good. Give the kid on the cover $5,000 or $10,000. Really it's chump change compared to what EASports would make.

aggies22 wrote: ↑

October 31st, 2019, 8:48 am

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

October 31st, 2019, 8:13 am

Hopefully this means NCAA Football NCAA 2K20

And it's about damn time! Give each kid in the game $500 and call it good. Give the kid on the cover $5,000 or $10,000. Really it's chump change compared to what EASports would make.

They could probably get away with a free game and some swag to most of the players.

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

October 31st, 2019, 9:01 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑

October 31st, 2019, 8:48 am

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

October 31st, 2019, 8:13 am

Hopefully this means NCAA Football NCAA 2K20

And it's about damn time! Give each kid in the game $500 and call it good. Give the kid on the cover $5,000 or $10,000. Really it's chump change compared to what EASports would make.

They could probably get away with a free game and some swag to most of the players.

Maybe so! I think when they lost the O'Bannon case they had to payout $500 to $700 per player per year. So that's where I got my $500 guesstimate. Just make the damn game already!!

USU78 wrote: ↑

October 29th, 2019, 1:03 pm

Death to the Midmajors!

Unintended consequences. Suspect the NFL is twitching over the compromising of their "Farm" teams. Reminds me of the dog that was run over running to get a large bone across the street. The NCAA has a demonstrable lack of spine and vision with this gaff. Amateur athletics just took a major hit.