NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by NVAggie » October 31st, 2019, 9:23 am

I think I can find other uses of my time if they want to start paying players. I like the amateur, student-athlete aspect of college sports. I'm not interested in NFL or NBA lite.



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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by NavyBlueAggie » October 31st, 2019, 9:23 am

NVAggie wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 2:34 pm
That is fine, If I were a student, I wouldn't want my hard earned money going to non-amateur athletes. Let the boosters and businesses pay for their "college". As a taxpayer, I don't want to pay into a system like this any more. College should be about school.

Agreed NV, college should be about school, but that concept has been fading for many years. I view this development as watertight bulkheads collapsing inside the TITANIC. Just a matter of time now it all goes down.



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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by deltaaggie » October 31st, 2019, 9:44 am

I for one am staunchly against forming a G5 playoff. I'm not interested in at at all. I like the idea of being able to compete with the highest levels of collegiate football. The hope of playing in a NY6 bowl is a great prize. Take that away and I'm not sure I would have much interest in the sport. I truly dont undertand how people are fans of weber state football or BYU as currently constituted. BYU has no real path for a NY6 bowl or National Championship. The bowl selection committees will always take a 2-loss P5 team over BYU anyday. Take away the chance to play at the highest level and it all falls apart, at least for me. I'd revert back to being a USU basketball and NFL fan. I think that when the college football playoff expands they will include a slot for the highest ranked G5.



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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by thegreendalegelf » October 31st, 2019, 10:59 am

Important point that is heavily being overlooked. Both by those in this thread and most of the media reporting it.

THE NCAA HAS NOT AGREED TO ALLOW THE PLAYERS TO BE PAID.

The NCAA has decided to *consider* it. That's it. That's what they voted on. They will consider it and see how they can allow it so long as it fits within the "collegiate model." This vote did not change any rules. This vote was a bid to buy time and favor in the public opinion. They have until 2021 to decide how to best do it. Yes that likely means that by 2021 something changes, but I don't trust the NCAA to do it unless they have to. This vote was in response to California and maybe even more Florida (they would take action way earlier.)

I think that the rule will change but this vote was nothing more than a PR stunt. The NCAA put out a well worded statement that anyone who doesn't cover college football closely sees as a big move. Anyone who is close to college football, is going to see right through it and see the key wording that this was just to consider it.
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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by thegreendalegelf » October 31st, 2019, 11:13 am

bigbluebaby wrote:
October 29th, 2019, 1:50 pm
The problem with this is the transfer portal and the "break out players"

Perfect example Jordan Love.

1-Player is not heavily recruited gets a scholly to a mid major.
2- Player has a phenominal year as a freshman or soph or whatever.
3- USC donor looks over the fence (with the help of USC coaches) and says would really like that guy on our team.
4- Donor contacts player through his agent, or privately, and tells player "hey enter the transfer portal and you'll get paid X dollars for likeness here at USC" my business pornhub will pay you 100K a year.
5- Player enters portal and transfers to USC.
6- USU is gutted and USC gets its man.
7- The Rich get richer the poor get poorer and Break Out Find type players all play in Big Markets for Big money.


At least in the NFL they have a salary cap .

This has none.

No limit that payers can be paid privately for their likeness

Big market teams (Big populations with lots of business sponsors) win small market teams (small populations few business sponsors) lose.

Of course nobody wants to sponsor linemen and long snappers etc. unless have big big money.

And very few women in womens sports will ever get a sponsorship dollar.

This is bad for all G-5 and most P-5.

I think you will end up with about 20 -30 teams in the country that can get these prime transfers and pay the money.

And end up with loaded with (Real) 5 star teams not just the recruiting board model.

Bad news all the way around.

Amateur college sports are dead.

I really don't want to go watch 2 teams where everybody's getting paid as mercinaries.

College sports was orginally played for school and pride.

NO its SHOW ME DA MONEY!!!!

Here come the blood sucking agents.

You think these kids get taken advantage of now wait until you bring in the agents..

Gonna be ugly.
1. The NFL doesn't have a salary cap on what you can make in endorsements.

2. Why would a sophomore J. Love transfer to USC so he has to sit out his Junior year? He wants to get to the NFL. Sitting out his Junior Year at USC and then jumping to the NFL doesn't help with that. The transfer thing only works with freshman or guys that aren't going to the NFL.

Even then a freshman phenom at USU/etc. may be cautious to transfer to a big school. Look at Tate Martell this year. he has jumped around transfering to big schools to be the starter and keeps getting passed up. He would likely be in a better spot to stay at one place, learn the system, get on a coaches good side, and work with some continuity in coaches. Obviously agents may give bad advice but I really think its rare. This would have to be a freshman who does well enough from day one at a small school to feel confident that he can start day one at a big school. What will likely happen is the coaches will play freshman skill players less in order to limit the risk of them jumping.

It is far more common today for grad transfers to jump ship because they aren't starting and getting good time. That means they aren't getting recognition and likely not getting good endorsements. This could actually promote grad transfers to then go start at a smaller school, get a small endorsement and open the door to the NFL.

3. This is literally capitalism in college sports. You get paid for the value you bring to the table.

4. "Of course nobody wants to sponsor linemen and long snappers etc. unless have big big money." The smart ones will.

5. "I think you will end up with about 20 -30 teams in the country that can get these prime transfers and pay the money." You don't think this isn't what is already happening?

6. "And end up with loaded with (Real) 5 star teams not just the recruiting board model." check out Bama, Georgia, Ohio State, etc. boards right now.

7. "College sports was orginally played for school and pride." Maybe let go of those pearls for a second and let the kids get a share of the massive pie that they are putting work into.



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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by bigbluebaby » October 31st, 2019, 11:54 am

Your Niavete is refreshing.
The NCAA isn’t going to protect us in any way.
This will funnel money and players Upward even more so than is happening now.
Especially Break out players.
Who wouldn’t get paid to play when they currently aren’t.
The agents are already salivating.
They and the top 5% of players, schools and markets will be the big winners in this.
Which is not us.
We shall see how it shakes out.
I hope you are right and it will be all rainbows and lollipops. And millions of dollars of local money will flow in to our program in the form of name and likeness money.
But I doubt it.


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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by thegreendalegelf » October 31st, 2019, 12:19 pm

bigbluebaby wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 11:54 am
Your Niavete is refreshing.
The NCAA isn’t going to protect us in any way.
This will funnel money and players Upward even more so than is happening now.
Especially Break out players.
Who wouldn’t get paid to play when they currently aren’t.
The agents are already salivating.
They and the top 5% of players, schools and markets will be the big winners in this.
Which is not us.
We shall see how it shakes out.
I hope you are right and it will be all rainbows and lollipops. And millions of dollars of local money will flow in to our program in the form of name and likeness money.
But I doubt it.
I'd say its more pessimism to our current situation.
The NCAA isn't protecting us today. This doesn't change anything.
The top 5% are already winning. They are already paying under the table. The money is already there its just going on the table.
It widens the divide but doesn't reorder it.
What star player do we lose that we kept before? Love doesn't transfer after last year. Why would he go redshirt at USC to never play a down there?
I didn't say its rainbows and lollipops. Unless you think that's where we are today. We already don't have top recruits. This isn't stealing any from us.
The list of things that were going to end college football as we know it has been long. So far so good. CTE is the much bigger threat.
Sure the agents are salivating, but why does that matter? Who cares what agents make. I don't think about it while watching the NFL, NBA, or anything.



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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by Imakeitrain » October 31st, 2019, 1:03 pm

First semi-attractive female student athlete who appears on the aforementioned Hub using her status as a student athlete is going to be very wealthy. NCAA should set some ground rules with who student athletes can and cannot sign with while keeping eligibility.


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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by NavyBlueAggie » October 31st, 2019, 5:24 pm

UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES FOLKS,,,,Just give this untoward development time to ferment, and then spoil as it is corrupted. It is possible we may be witnessing the terminal event for amateur athletics and I don't believe this will be very enjoyable to watch as promising young athletes are corrupted by quick and easy money.

The good news is this promotional venue is currently in play only in California. I would expect more reasonable heads to intervene the promotional incentives.




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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by Full » November 1st, 2019, 11:16 am

The more I think about what is going to happen, the more I think about Riley Nelson and BYU recruiting combined with Ja’Marcus Ingram as a grad transfer. If there is a way for larger schools to fill the holes they will. If a RS Sophomore has a good year, there could be a push to get eligible for a grad transfer and a payday. The top of the P5 will fill in holes after spring ball or even after summer semester. The NCAA is just doing damage control to keep the chaos to a minimum.

However, there is still roster limits, but I’m not sure scholarship limits will matter for the blue bloods. Ultimately I think USU can still be competitive at the same level.



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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by TheAKAggie » November 1st, 2019, 8:08 pm

Full wrote:The more I think about what is going to happen, the more I think about Riley Nelson and BYU recruiting combined with Ja’Marcus Ingram as a grad transfer. If there is a way for larger schools to fill the holes they will. If a RS Sophomore has a good year, there could be a push to get eligible for a grad transfer and a payday. The top of the P5 will fill in holes after spring ball or even after summer semester. The NCAA is just doing damage control to keep the chaos to a minimum.

However, there is still roster limits, but I’m not sure scholarship limits will matter for the blue bloods. Ultimately I think USU can still be competitive at the same level.
Then the small schools only schedule their players for 12 credits a semester, putting them on the 5 year plan.


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Re: NCAA to Allow Players to be Paid

Post by bigbluebaby » November 1st, 2019, 9:42 pm

bigbluebaby wrote:
October 31st, 2019, 11:54 am
Your Niavete is refreshing.
The NCAA isn’t going to protect us in any way.
This will funnel money and players Upward even more so than is happening now.
Especially Break out players.
Who would get paid to play when they currently aren’t.
The agents are already salivating.
They and the top 5% of players, schools and markets will be the big winners in this.
Which is not us.
We shall see how it shakes out.
I hope you are right and it will be all rainbows and lollipops. And millions of dollars of local money will flow in to our program in the form of name and likeness money.
But I doubt it.


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