how bad is our defense "really"

sammyhagar · Post by **sammyhagar** » November 2nd, 2019, 3:40 pm

Air force only has three points in the third quarter against Army.
Army is not a great team....and AF has only three points ...almost the fourth qtr.
we couldn't have stopped them if we played 20 quarters last weekend.

it's a good thing we take every opportunity to prep for the AF attack, spring ball, fall camp, bye weeks, every years it is the same ol..."we spend so much time on Air Force in our preparation.....

maybe we are going about it the wrong way in how you defend them.

lcrasmus · Post by **lcrasmus** » November 2nd, 2019, 4:15 pm

Also worth considering that we see the triple option once a year, and Army runs the thing.

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Machismo · Post by **Machismo** » November 2nd, 2019, 4:45 pm

I think the D is fine, it's the O that's the problem. Pretty sure I heard Gary say that our D had played two more games than anyone in the conference as far as snaps played I remembered that comment because I was so amazed that our O sucks so bad. I began to wonder if there is some grumbling in the locker room. If I was a defensive player I wouldn't to to happy with the Offense right now. This kind of stuff is was can divide a locker room.

JSHarvey · Post by **JSHarvey** » November 2nd, 2019, 5:11 pm

Our record with AFA since joining the MWC is now 3-4, apparently we can defend, and score, on them about half the time.

This year's defense did not fair well against them, suggests that like the offense this year's defense leaves a bit to be desired as well.

Aggs&Jazz12 · Post by **Aggs&Jazz12** » November 2nd, 2019, 6:26 pm

I don’t think we have a bad defense overall. There have definitely been struggles, but all things considered, the D has contributed far more to our wins than the O. However, the Defensive performance at AF was one of the saddest, most poorly coached game plans I’ve ever seen. There’s plenty of talent, yet we were clearly nowhere near being able to stop AF.

The good news is, the triple option is behind us, and now we can go back to how it has been previous games this season: above average, but not elite.

Here’s to hoping that’s good enough for a beat down of BYU.

1TruAggie · Post by **1TruAggie** » November 2nd, 2019, 8:19 pm

Our defense blows right now.

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ryguy417 · Post by **ryguy417** » November 2nd, 2019, 9:20 pm

How bad has Jordan Loves decision making been essentially all year?!? Defense is worn down because of a bad o-line and bad mistakes at QB.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » November 2nd, 2019, 9:53 pm

ryguy417 wrote: ↑
November 2nd, 2019, 9:20 pm
How bad has Jordan Loves decision making been essentially all year?!? Defense is worn down because of a bad o-line and bad mistakes at QB.

It is especially the right side of the oline. We very much miss Koch.

Intermeddler · Post by **Intermeddler** » November 2nd, 2019, 10:09 pm

Hard to blame the D being worn down when they moved the ball easily on the opening drive of each half

1TruAggie · Post by **1TruAggie** » November 2nd, 2019, 10:11 pm

No response to halftime speech:

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Section_L_Aggie · Post by **Section_L_Aggie** » November 2nd, 2019, 10:22 pm

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Probably wasn’t much of a speech any way. Just burn it all down

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Intermeddler · Post by **Intermeddler** » November 2nd, 2019, 10:23 pm

Defense is embarrassing itself yet again

DJ Williams might as well sit we’re playing 10 on 11 with him out there and their OL is dominating our front

1TruAggie · Post by **1TruAggie** » November 2nd, 2019, 10:25 pm

This is embarrassing.

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Mr. Sneelock · Post by **Mr. Sneelock** » November 2nd, 2019, 10:25 pm

Bad. This is embarrassing. Grow some sack, D.

Intermeddler · Post by **Intermeddler** » November 2nd, 2019, 10:37 pm

Look like giraffes learning to walk out there

newaggiefan · Post by **newaggiefan** » November 2nd, 2019, 11:09 pm

Ten plays over 20 yards Enough said

Turtle · Post by **Turtle** » November 2nd, 2019, 11:10 pm

How many missed tackles can we have?? Remarkable.

Machismo · Post by **Machismo** » November 2nd, 2019, 11:12 pm

I guess I stand corrected, I was wrong, we miss Woody real bad. Flat out getting out coached too. Will we win two more games is the question now. Hopefully the coaches won't lose the team.

kofdog · Post by **kofdog** » November 2nd, 2019, 11:15 pm

So where did Tipa go? Do we not use him like we did last year? I’m baffled by That

NVAggie · Post by **NVAggie** » November 2nd, 2019, 11:53 pm

I guess Sitake is better.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:09 am

The defense was a complete embarrassment tonight. The tackling and angles were just garbage. I will say i was impressed with the play calling from their offense. Lots of creativity.

Post by **aggies22** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:10 am

This is as undisciplined and poorly coached defense as we've had in a decade. The angles these guys take and the technique used is awful. I really wonder if Ena should have a job after the season?

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:12 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:10 am
This is as undisciplined and poorly coached defense as we've had in a decade. The angles these guys take and the technique used is awful. I really wonder if Ena should have a job after the season?

Our best defensive coach is coaching tight ends

Post by **aggies22** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:13 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:12 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:10 am
This is as undisciplined and poorly coached defense as we've had in a decade. The angles these guys take and the technique used is awful. I really wonder if Ena should have a job after the season?

Our best defensive coach is coaching tight ends

Exactly BUT everyone here bagged on Frank back then too.

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:15 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:13 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:12 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:10 am
This is as undisciplined and poorly coached defense as we've had in a decade. The angles these guys take and the technique used is awful. I really wonder if Ena should have a job after the season?

Our best defensive coach is coaching tight ends
Exactly BUT everyone here bagged on Frank back then too.

Not me

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:17 am

I am just in shock at how poorly we look. And how unathletic we look considering those same guys look very athletic at times last year

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:17 am

aggies22 wrote:This is as undisciplined and poorly coached defense as we've had in a decade. The angles these guys take and the technique used is awful. I really wonder if Ena should have a job after the season?

I hadn’t noticed this much, until tonight. But yes, angles and tackling technique was off. We are really gonna miss Woodward.

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ususports · Post by **ususports** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:20 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:12 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:10 am
This is as undisciplined and poorly coached defense as we've had in a decade. The angles these guys take and the technique used is awful. I really wonder if Ena should have a job after the season?

Our best defensive coach is coaching tight ends

He was fine as a co-coordinator with Patterson, but prior to that, I can't say I cared for his defense either. He was too conservative as well. Our corners would line up about 50 yards off line of scrimmage back then.

Post by **aggies22** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:24 am

kofdog wrote: ↑
November 2nd, 2019, 11:15 pm
So where did Tipa go? Do we not use him like we did last year? I’m baffled by That

Our OWN defensive coaching staff has taken Tipa out of the equation. Moving Tipa from outside linebacker to defensive end was the absolute WORST thing they could have done. Last season Tipa was able to use his speed and quickness to take proper angles and elude opposing offensive linemen as he often had several yards to make his move. Forcing Tipa up to the line of scrimmage and putting his hand in the dirt has completely neutralized him. With the opposing offensive lineman now only half a yard away, once the much, much smaller Tipa gets tangled up with the offensive lineman it's game over for Tipa. POOR, POOR choice of position change by our defensive coaching staff.

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:28 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:24 am

kofdog wrote: ↑
November 2nd, 2019, 11:15 pm
So where did Tipa go? Do we not use him like we did last year? I’m baffled by That
Our OWN defensive coaching staff has taken Tipa out of the equation. Moving Tipa from outside linebacker to defensive end was the absolute WORST thing they could have done. Last season Tipa was able to use his speed and quickness to take proper angles and elude opposing offensive linemen as he often had several yards to make his move. Forcing Tipa up to the line of scrimmage and putting his hand in the dirt has completely neutralized him. With the opposing offensive lineman now only half a yard away, once the much, much smaller Tipa gets tangled up with the offensive lineman it's game over for Tipa. POOR, POOR choice of position change by our defensive coaching staff.

I 100% agree with this. You add in the fact that we have to play zone because we don't have the DB's to play man-to-man and then we get no pressure since our Edge rusher is now has his hand in the dirt it is a recipe for disaster

Post by **aggies22** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:32 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:28 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:24 am

kofdog wrote: ↑
November 2nd, 2019, 11:15 pm
So where did Tipa go? Do we not use him like we did last year? I’m baffled by That
Our OWN defensive coaching staff has taken Tipa out of the equation. Moving Tipa from outside linebacker to defensive end was the absolute WORST thing they could have done. Last season Tipa was able to use his speed and quickness to take proper angles and elude opposing offensive linemen as he often had several yards to make his move. Forcing Tipa up to the line of scrimmage and putting his hand in the dirt has completely neutralized him. With the opposing offensive lineman now only half a yard away, once the much, much smaller Tipa gets tangled up with the offensive lineman it's game over for Tipa. POOR, POOR choice of position change by our defensive coaching staff.
I 100% agree with this. You add in the fact that we have to play zone because we don't have the DB's to play man-to-man and then we get no pressure since our Edge rusher is now has his hand in the dirt it is a recipe for disaster

It's like we're purposely doing everything you're coached NOT to do defensively.

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:37 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:32 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:28 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:24 am

kofdog wrote: ↑
November 2nd, 2019, 11:15 pm
So where did Tipa go? Do we not use him like we did last year? I’m baffled by That
Our OWN defensive coaching staff has taken Tipa out of the equation. Moving Tipa from outside linebacker to defensive end was the absolute WORST thing they could have done. Last season Tipa was able to use his speed and quickness to take proper angles and elude opposing offensive linemen as he often had several yards to make his move. Forcing Tipa up to the line of scrimmage and putting his hand in the dirt has completely neutralized him. With the opposing offensive lineman now only half a yard away, once the much, much smaller Tipa gets tangled up with the offensive lineman it's game over for Tipa. POOR, POOR choice of position change by our defensive coaching staff.
I 100% agree with this. You add in the fact that we have to play zone because we don't have the DB's to play man-to-man and then we get no pressure since our Edge rusher is now has his hand in the dirt it is a recipe for disaster
It's like we're purposely doing everything you're coached NOT to do defensively.

I'm trying to decide if Matt Wells left the cupboard really bare or if we are misusing the talent we have. I know the staff felt like we were short on a few of the skill positions on the offensive side of the ball. I am starting to seriously question the decision to not go after a JC offensive lineman or two.

I don't even know where to begin with our cornerbacks.

I think we have talent at tight end but I don't think we are using a correctly

I don't think we're using the formations and plays necessary in order to get our short Speedy guys in matchup situations that benefit us

I'm not sure anyone on that team knows how to tackle other than Woodward

Thinking that are nose guards can cover both a gaps is absolutely asinine

Post by **aggies22** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:45 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:37 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:32 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:28 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:24 am

kofdog wrote: ↑
November 2nd, 2019, 11:15 pm
So where did Tipa go? Do we not use him like we did last year? I’m baffled by That
Our OWN defensive coaching staff has taken Tipa out of the equation. Moving Tipa from outside linebacker to defensive end was the absolute WORST thing they could have done. Last season Tipa was able to use his speed and quickness to take proper angles and elude opposing offensive linemen as he often had several yards to make his move. Forcing Tipa up to the line of scrimmage and putting his hand in the dirt has completely neutralized him. With the opposing offensive lineman now only half a yard away, once the much, much smaller Tipa gets tangled up with the offensive lineman it's game over for Tipa. POOR, POOR choice of position change by our defensive coaching staff.
I 100% agree with this. You add in the fact that we have to play zone because we don't have the DB's to play man-to-man and then we get no pressure since our Edge rusher is now has his hand in the dirt it is a recipe for disaster
It's like we're purposely doing everything you're coached NOT to do defensively.

I'm trying to decide if Matt Wells left the cupboard really bare or if we are misusing the talent we have. I know the staff felt like we were short on a few of the skill positions on the offensive side of the ball. I am starting to seriously question the decision to not go after a JC offensive lineman or two.

I don't even know where to begin with our cornerbacks.

I think we have talent at tight end but I don't think we are using a correctly

I don't think we're using the formations and plays necessary in order to get our short Speedy guys in matchup situations that benefit us

I'm not sure anyone on that team knows how to tackle other than Woodward

Thinking that are nose guards can cover both a gaps is absolutely asinine

The prior coaching staff severely undervalued recruiting big time talent at WR and the secondary. This is why we are so short handed at those spots. When asked about recruiting I'd heard those positions referred to as "a dime, a dozen."

MWCFAN12 · Post by **MWCFAN12** » November 3rd, 2019, 1:48 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:45 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:37 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:32 am

MWCFAN12 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:28 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2019, 1:24 am

kofdog wrote: ↑
November 2nd, 2019, 11:15 pm
So where did Tipa go? Do we not use him like we did last year? I’m baffled by That
Our OWN defensive coaching staff has taken Tipa out of the equation. Moving Tipa from outside linebacker to defensive end was the absolute WORST thing they could have done. Last season Tipa was able to use his speed and quickness to take proper angles and elude opposing offensive linemen as he often had several yards to make his move. Forcing Tipa up to the line of scrimmage and putting his hand in the dirt has completely neutralized him. With the opposing offensive lineman now only half a yard away, once the much, much smaller Tipa gets tangled up with the offensive lineman it's game over for Tipa. POOR, POOR choice of position change by our defensive coaching staff.
I 100% agree with this. You add in the fact that we have to play zone because we don't have the DB's to play man-to-man and then we get no pressure since our Edge rusher is now has his hand in the dirt it is a recipe for disaster
It's like we're purposely doing everything you're coached NOT to do defensively.

I'm trying to decide if Matt Wells left the cupboard really bare or if we are misusing the talent we have. I know the staff felt like we were short on a few of the skill positions on the offensive side of the ball. I am starting to seriously question the decision to not go after a JC offensive lineman or two.

I don't even know where to begin with our cornerbacks.

I think we have talent at tight end but I don't think we are using a correctly

I don't think we're using the formations and plays necessary in order to get our short Speedy guys in matchup situations that benefit us

I'm not sure anyone on that team knows how to tackle other than Woodward

Thinking that are nose guards can cover both a gaps is absolutely asinine
The prior coaching staff severely undervalued recruiting big time talent at WR and the secondary. This is why we are so short handed at those spots. When asked about recruiting I'd heard those positions referred to as "a dime, a dozen."

Was this their attitude the entire time that Wells was here or did it evolve into that?

dyedblue · Post by **dyedblue** » November 3rd, 2019, 5:54 am

sammyhagar wrote:Air force only has three points in the third quarter against Army.
Army is not a great team....and AF has only three points ...almost the fourth qtr.
we couldn't have stopped them if we played 20 quarters last weekend.

it's a good thing we take every opportunity to prep for the AF attack, spring ball, fall camp, bye weeks, every years it is the same ol..."we spend so much time on Air Force in our preparation.....

maybe we are going about it the wrong way in how you defend them.

Last night was just as embarrassing defensively as Air Force. Maybe more. 650 years of offense to that team with their second and third string QBs is pathetic.

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