Onside Kick, good or bad call?

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Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by ryguy417 » December 20th, 2019, 8:56 pm

Can’t stop them, with a bulky and slow QB and faster receivers. Why give them the field position and then follow it up with poor clock management? Oh wait, this is now a GA post! So predictable!! Might be bad football for the next few years.



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by Machismo » December 20th, 2019, 8:59 pm

... Way too many mistakes as well. Our D is bad. They had the emotional edge.
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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by aggiesdotcom » December 20th, 2019, 9:00 pm

Ok call, poor execution.
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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by GaAggie » December 20th, 2019, 9:03 pm

Terrible call!!



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by ineptimusprime » December 20th, 2019, 9:03 pm

What onside kick are you referring to? I saw a weird squib thing that we had no chance of recovering.
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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by aggieguy13 » December 20th, 2019, 9:07 pm

Okay call (defense is horrendous, might as well give yourself a chance to get a lucky bounce), terrible execution.



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by aggies22 » December 20th, 2019, 9:08 pm

HORRIBLE!!!



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by SpectrumMagic » December 20th, 2019, 9:09 pm

That was kicked so hard even if their player doesn’t get it it would have gone back to another player. Really head scratching execution



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by Mr. Sneelock » December 20th, 2019, 9:09 pm

Too much time left with 3 timeouts. So not a great call. Really bad execution.
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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by bigblue » December 20th, 2019, 9:09 pm

I thought it was a squib, Kent State guy just climbed the ladder to pick it off.

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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by ThunderAggie » December 20th, 2019, 9:11 pm

I think we were trying to squib bounce it over the guys expecting the onside kick. It looked like there was some open grass behind them and if your guys sprinted we could jump on it at around the 30-40 yard line. It was just kicked to hard and low.



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by signalwar » December 20th, 2019, 9:12 pm

Special teams were horrible overall!



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by dyedblue » December 20th, 2019, 9:25 pm

Horrible call with three timeouts.


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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by Empire of Dirt » December 20th, 2019, 9:30 pm

An onside kick would have been fine, kicking it away would have been fine. Whatever the hell they did, was probably the worst thing that they could have done. I am so confused.
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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by USUstudent13 » December 20th, 2019, 9:33 pm

We lost because of defense, period.
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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by hickaggie » December 20th, 2019, 9:34 pm

Good Call. Bad Kick and really bad coverage.



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by bluegrouse » December 20th, 2019, 10:28 pm

USUstudent13 wrote:
December 20th, 2019, 9:33 pm
We lost because of defense and special teams, period.
FIFY

Three major special teams mistakes
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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by dyedblue » December 20th, 2019, 10:34 pm

Bright’s fumble didn’t help.


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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by Aggie84025 » December 20th, 2019, 10:36 pm

Warren not holding onto that pass didnt help either.



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by ineptimusprime » December 20th, 2019, 10:38 pm

People keep saying there was an onside kick. There wasn’t an onside kick. There was like a weird squib thing that made no sense.



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by GeoAg » December 20th, 2019, 10:56 pm

Bad call with 3 timeouts and only needing an fg
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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by WAAggie » December 20th, 2019, 11:10 pm

Idiotic call and even worse execution and coverage


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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by blueaggie » December 20th, 2019, 11:37 pm

The way our defense was playing it was a good call. Poor kick and bad execution.



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by Ahbye » December 21st, 2019, 6:49 am

blueaggie wrote:
December 20th, 2019, 11:37 pm
The way our defense was playing it was a good call. Poor kick and bad execution.
Maybe that's something to think about. It was a vote of no-confidence in the defense by Gary at the end of the game. Does that vote of no-confidence carry over into the off-season? People keep talking about going away from the 3-4 and how that became the kiss of death for the defense due to scheme. I don't think it was so much scheme as it was depth, but not how others are speaking of depth.

It was said at the beginning of the season that we were 2 and 3 deep at DL. Let's say for our purposes, that means 9 D1-ready athletes. When you're playing run-heavy teams like AFA, SDSU, Wyoming, and New Mexico, wouldn't it make more sense to have 3 groups to rotate instead of the two that a 4-3 gave us? That way you have fresh guys at the end of the game, which equals fewer injuries over the course of the season. And those teams give you plenty of time to sub. We're much deeper than we were on Gary's first go-round, but not deep enough to really get after it with the types of teams we played.

A linebacker's original, fundamental reason for existing is eponymous. It's in his name. He backs the line as they absorb blockers. However, when you're tired or injured, more of those blockers get by. We were all star-struck with how many tackles Woodward had each year. The reason goes beyond him being an incredible player, though. His high tackle rates were symptomatic of a defensive line deficiency, and hickaggie's postulate that Woodward was repeatedly concussed by those high repetitions has a ton of merit.

I felt like Ena did well at certain times of year when he had sufficient depth, but the fatal flaw, not for him, but for the situation in general is that we're not Utah. We're not loaded with depth like they are and thus there needs to be more of a strategic balance to play-calling and game-planning vs. the tactic-centric method demonstrated by guys who've never coached defense at a G5. It's why Aranda is so successful: He uses the strategic, long-view approach he learned in G5 with a healthy leavening of in-the-moment tactical calls to create a great defense. In a G5 defense, your entire defensive playbook is not at your disposal for every down like it is at a P5 with an elite(ish) defense. Ena should get another year to see if he starts to understand that.



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by WAaggieFan » December 21st, 2019, 8:07 am

blueaggie wrote:
December 20th, 2019, 11:37 pm
The way our defense was playing it was a good call. Poor kick and bad execution.
Yup. The way the D was playing that was USU’s best chance of getting the ball back. Poorly executed.



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Re: Onside Kick, good or bad call?

Post by SweepDance » December 21st, 2019, 8:47 am

IMO the worse call was punting (or trying to) on 4th and 1 when we had the one point lead. I really feel like we should have gone for it there and tried to extend the lead. The way the defense was (or wasn’t) playing they probably wouldn’t have had any problem driving the longer field anyway.

The opportunity to keep possession near midfield and try to extend the lead far outweighs the risk of losing ~40 yards of field possession had the punt been successful.
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