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Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Donman » August 10th, 2020, 8:50 pm

They had months to come up with a plan and failed.

Our athletic department (at least in football) will be damaged for many years.

Time for heads to roll.



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Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by QuackAttackAggie » August 10th, 2020, 8:56 pm

This is the fault of national and state leadership, not sports. ADs couldn't make idiots in Utah County wear masks.


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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by coolag » August 10th, 2020, 8:57 pm

I've seen little league and small city rec departments design and implement safety procedures and protocol pertaining to covid that they have worked on for the last 6 months. College athletic departments should be ashamed of themselves for the lack of planning to make football happen in a safe manner. Ridiculous.
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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » August 10th, 2020, 9:04 pm

coolag wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 8:57 pm
I've seen little league and small city rec departments design and implement safety procedures and protocol pertaining to covid that they have worked on for the last 6 months. College athletic departments should be ashamed of themselves for the lack of planning to make football happen in a safe manner. Ridiculous.

Yep, it has been an incredible failure. Probably the biggest sports failure in history if all of college football is shutdown for the year.
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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » August 10th, 2020, 9:07 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 8:56 pm
This is the fault of national and state leadership, not sports. ADs couldn't make idiots in Utah County wear masks.


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Yes there has been failures beyond sports obviously, but what was the plan for college football? It seemed to just be hope and pray covid goes away. If nothing else, they should have been educating college football fans on what needed to happen for there to be a season. If they had no for sure plan to play, they should have at least informed people what they expected before playing. There was no leadership. it was just every few weeks there were more things cancelled or postponed.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by 2004AG » August 10th, 2020, 9:21 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote:This is the fault of national and state leadership, not sports. ADs couldn't make idiots in Utah County wear masks.


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Give me a break. What In the hell would one county in Utah have to do with anything?

How long have you lived here because I do. Mask use is extremely high.


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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by aggies22 » August 10th, 2020, 9:25 pm

Donman wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 8:50 pm
They had months to come up with a plan and failed.

Our athletic department (at least in football) will be damaged for many years.

Time for heads to roll.
It's as if they didn't want this season to happen.......
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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by BearLakeMonster » August 10th, 2020, 9:37 pm

aggies22 wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:25 pm
Donman wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 8:50 pm
They had months to come up with a plan and failed.

Our athletic department (at least in football) will be damaged for many years.

Time for heads to roll.
It's as if they didn't want this season to happen.......
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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by slcagg » August 10th, 2020, 9:38 pm

aggies22 wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:25 pm
Donman wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 8:50 pm
They had months to come up with a plan and failed.

Our athletic department (at least in football) will be damaged for many years.

Time for heads to roll.
It's as if they didn't want this season to happen.......
Basically no revenue with no decrease in some of the bigger cost buckets (employees and scholarships) isn’t a good recipe for success. Our AD is a smart dude when it comes to financials. However this kind of blow could be too big without minimizing some of your fixed cost.
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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by coolag » August 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm

I'm just glad here at Utah State we are concerned for the health and well being of our "student" athletes. The regular students can go #$$&_# yourselves and die of covid.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by blueaggie » August 10th, 2020, 10:42 pm

coolag wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm
I'm just glad here at Utah State we are concerned for the health and well being of our "student" athletes. The regular students can go #$$&_# yourselves and die of covid.
And how many college age students with no underlying health issues have died of covid? Are they supposed to hide in the basement until there are zero cases.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by 2004AG » August 10th, 2020, 10:44 pm

blueaggie wrote:
coolag wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm
I'm just glad here at Utah State we are concerned for the health and well being of our "student" athletes. The regular students can go #$$&_# yourselves and die of covid.
And how many college age students with no underlying health issues have died of covid? Are they supposed to hide in the basement until there are zero cases.
That’s the plan apparently.


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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by 2004AG » August 10th, 2020, 10:50 pm

blueaggie wrote:
coolag wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm
I'm just glad here at Utah State we are concerned for the health and well being of our "student" athletes. The regular students can go #$$&_# yourselves and die of covid.
And how many college age students with no underlying health issues have died of covid? Are they supposed to hide in the basement until there are zero cases.
Yes apparently that is the plan.


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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Imakeitrain » August 10th, 2020, 10:54 pm

coolag wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm
I'm just glad here at Utah State we are concerned for the health and well being of our "student" athletes. The regular students can go #$$&_# yourselves and die of covid.
Athletes would have had to come back to campus, no? Whereas many unmarried students probably moved back with mom & dad and are taking the semester online- or are taking a leave of absence.

It would seem that now athletes have the same protection and options other students have.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by coolag » August 10th, 2020, 10:58 pm

blueaggie wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 10:42 pm
coolag wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm
I'm just glad here at Utah State we are concerned for the health and well being of our "student" athletes. The regular students can go #$$&_# yourselves and die of covid.
And how many college age students with no underlying health issues have died of covid? Are they supposed to hide in the basement until there are zero cases.
Now you're on it. Football is dangerous. Biology 1010 is safe.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Intermeddler » August 10th, 2020, 11:03 pm

Imakeitrain wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 10:54 pm
coolag wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm
I'm just glad here at Utah State we are concerned for the health and well being of our "student" athletes. The regular students can go #$$&_# yourselves and die of covid.
Athletes would have had to come back to campus, no? Whereas many unmarried students probably moved back with mom & dad and are taking the semester online- or are taking a leave of absence.

It would seem that now athletes have the same protection and options other students have.
They already had that option while remaining on scholarship.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by coolag » August 10th, 2020, 11:08 pm

My point is this has nothing to do with player safety. It's all a liability issue now.
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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by JonnyCienPesos » August 10th, 2020, 11:10 pm

Oh. You want the best AD we have ever had to resign for failing to prepare for a worldwide epidemic? Sounds reasonable. #FireHartwell.


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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by coolag » August 10th, 2020, 11:14 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 11:10 pm
Oh. You want the best AD we have ever had to resign for failing to prepare for a worldwide epidemic? Sounds reasonable. #FireHartwell.


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Just out of curiosity and not disagreeing, but what makes Hartwell the best AD we have ever had in your opinion?



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Imakeitrain » August 10th, 2020, 11:14 pm

Intermeddler wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 11:03 pm
Imakeitrain wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 10:54 pm
coolag wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm
I'm just glad here at Utah State we are concerned for the health and well being of our "student" athletes. The regular students can go #$$&_# yourselves and die of covid.
Athletes would have had to come back to campus, no? Whereas many unmarried students probably moved back with mom & dad and are taking the semester online- or are taking a leave of absence.

It would seem that now athletes have the same protection and options other students have.
They already had that option while remaining on scholarship.
Right- but IF we were to have a season athletes who wished to practice and compete would need to be in Logan. They would have to spend a significant amount of time not social distancing.

I wish athletes were able to do what they love too. I am just not convinced it’s a case of the university putting athletes “before” other students. (Although that does happen)



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Donman » August 10th, 2020, 11:29 pm

coolag wrote:
JonnyCienPesos wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 11:10 pm
Oh. You want the best AD we have ever had to resign for failing to prepare for a worldwide epidemic? Sounds reasonable. #FireHartwell.


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Just out of curiosity and not disagreeing, but what makes Hartwell the best AD we have ever had in your opinion?
Maybe the last AD we ever have

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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by coolag » August 10th, 2020, 11:30 pm

Donman wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 11:29 pm
coolag wrote:
JonnyCienPesos wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 11:10 pm
Oh. You want the best AD we have ever had to resign for failing to prepare for a worldwide epidemic? Sounds reasonable. #FireHartwell.


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Just out of curiosity and not disagreeing, but what makes Hartwell the best AD we have ever had in your opinion?
Maybe the last AD we ever have

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Jeez you're a bundle of joy donman.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by coolag » August 10th, 2020, 11:38 pm

2004AG wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:21 pm
QuackAttackAggie wrote:This is the fault of national and state leadership, not sports. ADs couldn't make idiots in Utah County wear masks.


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Give me a break. What In the hell would one county in Utah have to do with anything?

How long have you lived here because I do. Mask use is extremely high.


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I really hope some conferences stick it out and it proves a success, but if it backfires at least we can still blame it on the wierdos in Utah County. Good idea quack.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Donman » August 10th, 2020, 11:40 pm

coolag wrote:
Donman wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 11:29 pm
coolag wrote:
JonnyCienPesos wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 11:10 pm
Oh. You want the best AD we have ever had to resign for failing to prepare for a worldwide epidemic? Sounds reasonable. #FireHartwell.


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Just out of curiosity and not disagreeing, but what makes Hartwell the best AD we have ever had in your opinion?
Maybe the last AD we ever have

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Jeez you're a bundle of joy donman.
I'm a realist. You think players are going to stay? We will have to make huge cuts in staff

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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Intermeddler » August 10th, 2020, 11:57 pm

It is astonishing to me that once the NCAA tournament was canceled that there wasn’t an urgent and thorough plan put in place for what would have to happen to preserve a football season. That conference commissioners and university presidents didn’t aggressively tackle the issue in a unified way is really pathetic.

The problem is no one is in charge of college football. There’s competing power structures with different constituencies and no one overcame that to fix the problem

I hope they don’t repeat the same mistake for November 2020 to March 2021 or we might be saying goodbye to another college basketball tournament



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by utaggies » August 11th, 2020, 12:35 am

coolag wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 10:58 pm
blueaggie wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 10:42 pm
coolag wrote:
August 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm
I'm just glad here at Utah State we are concerned for the health and well being of our "student" athletes. The regular students can go #$$&_# yourselves and die of covid.
And how many college age students with no underlying health issues have died of covid? Are they supposed to hide in the basement until there are zero cases.
Now you're on it. Football is dangerous. Biology 1010 is safe.
It appears that you are correct:
- Risk factor for playing football = 7
- Risk factor for sending kids to school = 6




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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by utaggies » August 11th, 2020, 12:53 am

I am unsure what plans posters would have in mind to conduct a season. Play in empty stadiums like the NBA, MLB and the NHL or on empty golf courses like the PGA? Even if games were played absent fans the COVID testing of 100 players and staff would be expensive. The average cost of a test is $127. The NBA tests every player every other day. Do the math. Then there would be the uncertainty re: the shuffling that would be necessary when someone gets the disease.

I suspect the league and the schools have been in close contact on this matter for several months. Perhaps no plan has been developed (if, in fact, that’s the case) because there is no feasible way to economically conduct a season unless fans are present. And right now that doesn’t seem at all possible.



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Post by AgMac » August 11th, 2020, 1:06 am

utaggies wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 12:53 am
I am unsure what plans posters would have in mind to conduct a season. Play in empty stadiums like the NBA, MLB and the NHL or on empty golf courses like the PGA? Even if games were played absent fans the COVID testing of 100 players and staff would be expensive. The average cost of a test is $127. The NBA tests every player every other day. Do the math. Then there would be the uncertainty re: the shuffling that would be necessary when someone gets the disease.

I suspect the league and the schools have been in close contact on this matter for several months. Perhaps no plan has been developed (if, in fact, that’s the case) because there is no feasible way to economically conduct a season unless fans are present. And right now that doesn’t seem at all possible.
Please tell me your argument is not that we're financially better off cancelling the season.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Intermeddler » August 11th, 2020, 1:27 am

utaggies wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 12:53 am
I am unsure what plans posters would have in mind to conduct a season. Play in empty stadiums like the NBA, MLB and the NHL or on empty golf courses like the PGA? Even if games were played absent fans the COVID testing of 100 players and staff would be expensive. The average cost of a test is $127. The NBA tests every player every other day. Do the math. Then there would be the uncertainty re: the shuffling that would be necessary when someone gets the disease.

I suspect the league and the schools have been in close contact on this matter for several months. Perhaps no plan has been developed (if, in fact, that’s the case) because there is no feasible way to economically conduct a season unless fans are present. And right now that doesn’t seem at all possible.
Apparently the other conferences were unaware that the Big 10 was going conference only when they announced that a few weeks ago so I don’t think the assumption that they’ve been working in concert is a good one. If there’s no feasible plan to be had why did conferences announce schedules over the last week to 10 days only to abort the plan now? Nothing material has changed in the last 10 days. In fact, cases appear to be on a slow decline.

This all speaks to disorganization and lack of leadership. If there truly is no way to play the games that should have been made clear and the season canceled weeks ago rather than modified to conference only, then postponed, now spring. Whoever said their plan appears to be wait until the virus goes away is probably right.

What standards have been announced for when it is safe to play? What level of community spread? How many cases? An acceptable IFR? None of that has been discussed or hinted at publicly and every stakeholder is left twisting in the wind. Do we have to wait for 0 cases? A vaccine? Why will a spring season be any safer?



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by utaggies » August 11th, 2020, 2:24 am

AgMac wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 1:06 am
utaggies wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 12:53 am
I am unsure what plans posters would have in mind to conduct a season. Play in empty stadiums like the NBA, MLB and the NHL or on empty golf courses like the PGA? Even if games were played absent fans the COVID testing of 100 players and staff would be expensive. The average cost of a test is $127. The NBA tests every player every other day. Do the math. Then there would be the uncertainty re: the shuffling that would be necessary when someone gets the disease.

I suspect the league and the schools have been in close contact on this matter for several months. Perhaps no plan has been developed (if, in fact, that’s the case) because there is no feasible way to economically conduct a season unless fans are present. And right now that doesn’t seem at all possible.
Please tell me your argument is not that we're financially better off cancelling the season.
I didn’t say that. But even if television revenue was still possible under the circumstances — and I don’t know if that’s the case — if we didn’t play in front of any fans we lose $1.5 million in football ticket revenue. Plus we lose the $1.5 million for playing Washington. Add to that non-budgeted COVID testing costs and you are at a differential of 10% of our total athletic budget. How would that deficit be handled?



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Chatman » August 11th, 2020, 6:21 am

If the P5 conferences end up playing this will be an epic failure for the MWC.
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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by slcagg » August 11th, 2020, 6:22 am

Chatman wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 6:21 am
If the P5 conferences end up playing this will be an epic failure for the MWC.
Canceled way to early in my opinion.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by coolag » August 11th, 2020, 7:54 am

Chatman wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 6:21 am
If the P5 conferences end up playing this will be an epic failure for the MWC.
One they might not recover from.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by Donman » August 11th, 2020, 8:13 am

coolag wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 7:54 am
Chatman wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 6:21 am
If the P5 conferences end up playing this will be an epic failure for the MWC.
One they might not recover from.
Now you are beginning to see the consequences.



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Re: Athletic Directors Should Resign

Post by dogie » August 11th, 2020, 8:47 am

slcagg wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 6:22 am
Chatman wrote:
August 11th, 2020, 6:21 am
If the P5 conferences end up playing this will be an epic failure for the MWC.
Canceled way to early in my opinion.
They had to cancel early enough to give the best players and coaches in the conference plenty of time to transfer to schools that will be playing this fall.
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