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Good guess.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2020, 8:21 amOkay, I am going to call my shot here. Somebody brought up Kenny Dillingham from Florida State a while ago. He is probably the youngest possible coach, so he would fit the bill of 'Young.' and has been the Offensive Coordinator at Auburn and Florida State so that could be 'Sexy'. Also with the talk all of the sudden that we will find out in the next week, That makes me think it will be him to since it looks like Florida State might be done playing for the year. A coach this still has a lot of games yet would not get announced in the next week. Also he is originally from Arizona so coming back west would make sense.
I have absolutely no inside knowledge, just reading in-between the lines.
However, I am not sure how I would feel about this, Florida State has not been impressive.
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Mixed feelings on Dillingham. I don't know if he is ready to run a program yet. How much control of the offense has he really had? He had one year at Memphis as the OC and they were good, but that was really Norvell running the show. The offense was great before he became the OC and was great after he left. This year FSU's offense has been bad, but I don't completely blame him. That is going to be a serious rebuild. I just haven't seen enough to really get excited about him. There seems to be better candidates.
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Not a huge fan of Dillingham. Would prefer most of the other choices
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Unless of course, you're talking about some of our best players including Deven Thompkins, Jaylen Warren, Troy Lefeged and Cash Gilliam - Not so great Frank!!MaverickAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2020, 2:47 pmI'm on the Maile train. The guy will give Aggie Football everything he has and is young so has a lot to give. Seeing what he has done from dismissing cancers, shuffling coaching duties and getting the right guys on the field has sold me. He definitely has the vote of the players.
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Come on 22, who have they interviewed, spill the beans - I won't tell anyone!aggies22 wrote: ↑December 1st, 2020, 2:09 pmNo, because I haven't heard his name mentioned at all.brownjeans wrote: ↑December 1st, 2020, 8:57 amShould I be worried that we're leaning toward Aaron Roderick?
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I'd be shocked if Maile got the job even if we win out. We already tried the local fan favorite two years ago and it was a bomb. This will 100% be Hartwell's hire.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2020, 11:28 pmUnless of course, you're talking about some of our best players including Deven Thompkins, Jaylen Warren, Troy Lefeged and Cash Gilliam - Not so great Frank!!MaverickAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2020, 2:47 pmI'm on the Maile train. The guy will give Aggie Football everything he has and is young so has a lot to give. Seeing what he has done from dismissing cancers, shuffling coaching duties and getting the right guys on the field has sold me. He definitely has the vote of the players.
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But not a Cougar, they're pussies.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑December 1st, 2020, 10:09 pmLions and tigers are cats. Both of which would destroy a wolf.
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I really hope that we're not seriously considering Kenny Dillingham the risk reward is to high for someone with very little coaching experience in my imho
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I don’t understand why it is so important for someone to be young. Like most professions it is beneficial to have experience when being the ceo.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:02 amI really hope that we're not seriously considering Kenny Dillingham the risk reward is to high for someone with very little coaching experience in my imho
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I would be more than fine with this hire, because Dillingham can recruit.slcagg wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:36 amI don’t understand why it is so important for someone to be young. Like most professions it is beneficial to have experience when being the ceo.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:02 amI really hope that we're not seriously considering Kenny Dillingham the risk reward is to high for someone with very little coaching experience in my imho
Our incoming classes would look much different with him.
Can he coach? Not sure yet, but in the MW if you have athletes, you have a distinct advantage.
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Do you have any evidence that he can recruit? I agree you need the Jimmy's and the Joe's but you also need to know how to coach, I've seen a lot of teams lose games because of coaching mistakes. Just because you can recruit doesn't mean you can coach at the level needed to be successful. If that were the case there are a lot of coaches to choose from with a little more of a track record.Sl7vk wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:42 amI would be more than fine with this hire, because Dillingham can recruit.slcagg wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:36 amI don’t understand why it is so important for someone to be young. Like most professions it is beneficial to have experience when being the ceo.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:02 amI really hope that we're not seriously considering Kenny Dillingham the risk reward is to high for someone with very little coaching experience in my imho
Our incoming classes would look much different with him.
Can he coach? Not sure yet, but in the MW if you have athletes, you have a distinct advantage.
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Yeah what is the evidence he is some recruiting guru? Are there star players he is directly responsible for bringing in at Memphis, Auburn or FSU? Dillingham seems like a big risk. Maybe we could be getting the next hot young coach, but we also could be getting a guy who isn't qualified and would be in over his head.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:57 amDo you have any evidence that he can recruit? I agree you need the Jimmy's and the Joe's but you also need to know how to coach, I've seen a lot of teams lose games because of coaching mistakes. Just because you can recruit doesn't mean you can coach at the level needed to be successful. If that were the case there are a lot of coaches to choose from with a little more of a track record.Sl7vk wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:42 amI would be more than fine with this hire, because Dillingham can recruit.slcagg wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:36 amI don’t understand why it is so important for someone to be young. Like most professions it is beneficial to have experience when being the ceo.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:02 amI really hope that we're not seriously considering Kenny Dillingham the risk reward is to high for someone with very little coaching experience in my imho
Our incoming classes would look much different with him.
Can he coach? Not sure yet, but in the MW if you have athletes, you have a distinct advantage.
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Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 8:26 amYeah what is the evidence he is some recruiting guru? Are there star players he is directly responsible for bringing in at Memphis, Auburn or FSU? Dillingham seems like a big risk. Maybe we could be getting the next hot young coach, but we also could be getting a guy who isn't qualified and would be in over his head.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:57 amDo you have any evidence that he can recruit? I agree you need the Jimmy's and the Joe's but you also need to know how to coach, I've seen a lot of teams lose games because of coaching mistakes. Just because you can recruit doesn't mean you can coach at the level needed to be successful. If that were the case there are a lot of coaches to choose from with a little more of a track record.Sl7vk wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:42 amI would be more than fine with this hire, because Dillingham can recruit.slcagg wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:36 amI don’t understand why it is so important for someone to be young. Like most professions it is beneficial to have experience when being the ceo.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:02 amI really hope that we're not seriously considering Kenny Dillingham the risk reward is to high for someone with very little coaching experience in my imho
Our incoming classes would look much different with him.
Can he coach? Not sure yet, but in the MW if you have athletes, you have a distinct advantage.
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I had never heard of him until today.
What a meteoric rise, and wow, he's young.
What a meteoric rise, and wow, he's young.
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It’s one thing to recruit to Auburn and FSU, it’s another thing to recruit to USU.
It reminds me of how MW was promoted to OC and then HC 1 year later. Too much too soon too fast.
It reminds me of how MW was promoted to OC and then HC 1 year later. Too much too soon too fast.
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But I wouldnt call him sexy.....it’s the hair for me
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Thanks for posting and this is good news if he is hired here. He does still comes across as a bigger risk than other coaches being talked about that are more proven.Sl7vk wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 8:32 amAggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 8:26 amYeah what is the evidence he is some recruiting guru? Are there star players he is directly responsible for bringing in at Memphis, Auburn or FSU? Dillingham seems like a big risk. Maybe we could be getting the next hot young coach, but we also could be getting a guy who isn't qualified and would be in over his head.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:57 amDo you have any evidence that he can recruit? I agree you need the Jimmy's and the Joe's but you also need to know how to coach, I've seen a lot of teams lose games because of coaching mistakes. Just because you can recruit doesn't mean you can coach at the level needed to be successful. If that were the case there are a lot of coaches to choose from with a little more of a track record.Sl7vk wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:42 amI would be more than fine with this hire, because Dillingham can recruit.slcagg wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:36 amI don’t understand why it is so important for someone to be young. Like most professions it is beneficial to have experience when being the ceo.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:02 amI really hope that we're not seriously considering Kenny Dillingham the risk reward is to high for someone with very little coaching experience in my imho
Our incoming classes would look much different with him.
Can he coach? Not sure yet, but in the MW if you have athletes, you have a distinct advantage.
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That is pretty darn good. But you have to remember auburn usually has a top 20 recruiting class. So if you are one of the lead recruiters you should be ranked fairly high. So the numbers would be skewed that way.
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I'm not saying he is or isn't the guy, but having a ton of connections at the JUCO level would not hurt our program.
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Exactly. Jay Hill is the obvious choice here. He knows our niche.BLUERUFiO wrote:It’s one thing to recruit to Auburn and FSU, it’s another thing to recruit to USU.
It reminds me of how MW was promoted to OC and then HC 1 year later. Too much too soon too fast.
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Correct, Jay Hill knows our niche, BUT, that doesn't mean someone else can't figure it out and also bring a new philosophy/connection that we haven't seen here before...which, I'm not super opposed to.seabass wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 9:29 amExactly. Jay Hill is the obvious choice here. He knows our niche.BLUERUFiO wrote:It’s one thing to recruit to Auburn and FSU, it’s another thing to recruit to USU.
It reminds me of how MW was promoted to OC and then HC 1 year later. Too much too soon too fast.
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Yeah, the multiple years of sustained success we had with Matt Wells (with one outlier year) sure sucked.
I agree with the point otherwise though. Not saying this FSU dude isn’t the guy, but the fact that he is one year removed from his 20s scares the bejeezus out of me.
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ineptimusprime wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:37 amYeah, the multiple years of sustained success we had with Matt Wells (with one outlier year) sure sucked.
I guess it depends on what your definition of success is
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Is it commonly agreed that 8 wins is a great year? Or was that just Gary's opinion? Just wondering what great really is in college football.
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Having an overall winning record with multiple bowl games. We competed for (but never won) conference titles.BLUERUFiO wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:39 amineptimusprime wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:37 amYeah, the multiple years of sustained success we had with Matt Wells (with one outlier year) sure sucked.
I guess it depends on what your definition of success is
I don’t know how you can look at Wells’ tenure here considering USU’s place in the college football hierarchy and call it anything but success. I had so much fun with the last decade of Aggie football, and Wells’ fingerprints are all over that.
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I totally understand that. Some of those years were fun to be an Aggie FBall fan.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:43 amHaving an overall winning record with multiple bowl games. We competed for (but never won) conference titles.BLUERUFiO wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:39 amineptimusprime wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:37 amYeah, the multiple years of sustained success we had with Matt Wells (with one outlier year) sure sucked.
I guess it depends on what your definition of success is
I don’t know how you can look at Wells’ tenure here considering USU’s place in the college football hierarchy and call it anything but success. I had so much fun with the last decade of Aggie football, and Wells’ fingerprints are all over that.
I guess for me it's the 3 years out of 6 with losing records. Two of the three years with a winning record were the first two years immediately after Gary built the program up. I just don't think MW is a very good HC. Part of that may be from a source that never had anything good to say about MW. Part of that is because overall as a HC, he has had a winning season 3 out of 8 years - or 37.5% of the time.
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When you're evaluating "success" by a head coach you have to look at a programs history and place in the landscape. The reality with USU is that it's not the easiest place to recruit to and doesn't have all the natural advantages a few other schools that are our MW conference mates have.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:43 amHaving an overall winning record with multiple bowl games. We competed for (but never won) conference titles.BLUERUFiO wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:39 amineptimusprime wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:37 amYeah, the multiple years of sustained success we had with Matt Wells (with one outlier year) sure sucked.
I guess it depends on what your definition of success is
I don’t know how you can look at Wells’ tenure here considering USU’s place in the college football hierarchy and call it anything but success. I had so much fun with the last decade of Aggie football, and Wells’ fingerprints are all over that.
If you can average 7 or so wins a year with the occasional double digit season, that's pretty darn good for where we are right now. Given that, I think Matt Wells was reasonably successful here at USU.
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Bingo. I think averaging 7 wins a season over an extended period of time at a school like USU is success.Madmartigan wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:49 amWhen you're evaluating "success" by a head coach you have to look at a programs history and place in the landscape. The reality with USU is that it's not the easiest place to recruit to and doesn't have all the natural advantages a few other schools that are our MW conference mates have.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:43 amHaving an overall winning record with multiple bowl games. We competed for (but never won) conference titles.BLUERUFiO wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:39 amineptimusprime wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:37 amYeah, the multiple years of sustained success we had with Matt Wells (with one outlier year) sure sucked.
I guess it depends on what your definition of success is
I don’t know how you can look at Wells’ tenure here considering USU’s place in the college football hierarchy and call it anything but success. I had so much fun with the last decade of Aggie football, and Wells’ fingerprints are all over that.
If you can average 7 or so wins a year with the occasional double digit season, that's pretty darn good for where we are right now. Given that, I think Matt Wells was reasonably successful here at USU.
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Yep. USU's program is at a place where our 10-year rolling average should be 7.5 wins. There will be some years we have more, some where we have less, but over a 10-year period, we should be averaging 7.5 wins.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:51 amBingo. I think averaging 7 wins a season over an extended period of time at a school like USU is success.Madmartigan wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:49 amIf you can average 7 or so wins a year with the occasional double digit season, that's pretty darn good for where we are right now. Given that, I think Matt Wells was reasonably successful here at USU.
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A very Gus Malzahn like rise toward the top. The risk with the young guys will always be can they be a CEO or are they truly just great X's and O's guys?Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 8:45 amThanks for posting and this is good news if he is hired here. He does still comes across as a bigger risk than other coaches being talked about that are more proven.Sl7vk wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 8:32 amAggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 8:26 amYeah what is the evidence he is some recruiting guru? Are there star players he is directly responsible for bringing in at Memphis, Auburn or FSU? Dillingham seems like a big risk. Maybe we could be getting the next hot young coach, but we also could be getting a guy who isn't qualified and would be in over his head.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:57 amDo you have any evidence that he can recruit? I agree you need the Jimmy's and the Joe's but you also need to know how to coach, I've seen a lot of teams lose games because of coaching mistakes. Just because you can recruit doesn't mean you can coach at the level needed to be successful. If that were the case there are a lot of coaches to choose from with a little more of a track record.Sl7vk wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:42 amI would be more than fine with this hire, because Dillingham can recruit.slcagg wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:36 amI don’t understand why it is so important for someone to be young. Like most professions it is beneficial to have experience when being the ceo.JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 7:02 amI really hope that we're not seriously considering Kenny Dillingham the risk reward is to high for someone with very little coaching experience in my imho
Our incoming classes would look much different with him.
Can he coach? Not sure yet, but in the MW if you have athletes, you have a distinct advantage.
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I would call winning 8 games consistently at Utah State great. The way Gary explained his tiers of success was something I agree with.
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That is a pretty good record at Utah State. If Wells didn't do a good job at USU then nobody has done a good job in the last 40 years. We have only had three 10 win seasons in school history, one was with Wells as OC and 2 were with him as HC. His record was pretty good for a USU coach. If we get a coach that does better than him, that would be awesome, but it won't be an easy task.BLUERUFiO wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:39 amineptimusprime wrote: ↑December 2nd, 2020, 10:37 amYeah, the multiple years of sustained success we had with Matt Wells (with one outlier year) sure sucked.
I guess it depends on what your definition of success is
And Gary never had sustained success anywhere. Much of the hatred for Wells was the belief that he was a step down from Gary, which isn't true. His only great year at USU was with Wells as his OC.
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I'd have a hard time complaining with 8 wins per year. A winning record and competing for (and winning) conference championships.
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Look over the losses over the past 6-8 years and several can be chocked up to coaching failures. Having a person in to catch punts deep, poor time outs, poor off-side kick prep....
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Totally true. But you have to consider the many successes we had with Wells here too.