If the BYU move is going cause a few of the OOC games against them to get canceled, I hope Hartwell is on the phone with Rice, UCF, USF, or any other team also being impacted by the move. I would love to see those type games on the future schedule. Go Aggies!

I hope it doesn't get cancelled. In state rivalry games have an added sense of fun.

I’m guessing that with BYU joining the B12 and the P12/B1G/ACC alliance being formed, the BYU/Utah game may not happen as regularly. Hopefully BYU will then value the USU rivalry more. Either that or they will elect to maintain their Boise series and drop ours.

you know for damnsure that ybu will now insist on 2 fers or none at all in Logan, bank on it. Time to let the zoobes go wonder off into the weeds and mesquite in Texas and yonder eastward.

ViAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:08 pm

you know for damnsure that ybu will now insist on 2 fers or none at all in Logan, bank on it. Time to let the zoobes go wonder off into the weeds and mesquite in Texas and yonder eastward.

Yep. Guaranteed. If you thought the PAC-12 arrogance was bad when Utah joined, just wait until BYU is in the Big-12.

treesap32 wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:30 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:08 pm

you know for damnsure that ybu will now insist on 2 fers or none at all in Logan, bank on it. Time to let the zoobes go wonder off into the weeds and mesquite in Texas and yonder eastward.

Yep. Guaranteed. If you thought the PAC-12 arrogance was bad when Utah joined, just wait until BYU is in the Big-12.

They will be just as bad if not worse than Utah. The arrogance will be dripping from their bodies like sweat after a workout. I just hope Hartwell never negotiates a 2 for 1 with them. If they want to continue playing home/home then great, if not move and find other teams that will.

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:40 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:30 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:08 pm

you know for damnsure that ybu will now insist on 2 fers or none at all in Logan, bank on it. Time to let the zoobes go wonder off into the weeds and mesquite in Texas and yonder eastward.

Yep. Guaranteed. If you thought the PAC-12 arrogance was bad when Utah joined, just wait until BYU is in the Big-12.

They will be just as bad if not worse than Utah. The arrogance will be dripping from their bodies like sweat after a workout. I just hope Hartwell never negotiates a 2 for 1 with them. If they want to continue playing home/home then great, if not move and find other teams that will.

For Hartwell and all of his successors, home-and-home better be the only negotiating option ever offered to the u or the y.

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:40 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:30 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:08 pm

you know for damnsure that ybu will now insist on 2 fers or none at all in Logan, bank on it. Time to let the zoobes go wonder off into the weeds and mesquite in Texas and yonder eastward.

Yep. Guaranteed. If you thought the PAC-12 arrogance was bad when Utah joined, just wait until BYU is in the Big-12.

They will be just as bad if not worse than Utah. The arrogance will be dripping from their bodies like sweat after a workout. I just hope Hartwell never negotiates a 2 for 1 with them. If they want to continue playing home/home then great, if not move and find other teams that will.

There is no question that BYU will be worse than the Utes. They already are worse and that has been without a good conference affiliation. This will be intolerable.

gomretat wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:50 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:40 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:30 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:08 pm

you know for damnsure that ybu will now insist on 2 fers or none at all in Logan, bank on it. Time to let the zoobes go wonder off into the weeds and mesquite in Texas and yonder eastward.

Yep. Guaranteed. If you thought the PAC-12 arrogance was bad when Utah joined, just wait until BYU is in the Big-12.

They will be just as bad if not worse than Utah. The arrogance will be dripping from their bodies like sweat after a workout. I just hope Hartwell never negotiates a 2 for 1 with them. If they want to continue playing home/home then great, if not move and find other teams that will.

There is no question that BYU will be worse than the Utes. They already are worse and that has been without a good conference affiliation. This will be intolerable.

They have agreed to play us home and home in both basketball and football, and that is worse than Utah in what way? I have no doubt that they will become as bad as Utah in scheduling soon enough, but to say they are already worse considering the current scheduling agreements we have is uneducated.

I don't see the BYU basketball games going away anytime soon. BYU has even begun playing at UVU and just announced another game in Orem. I do think we will see years that the football game isn't played though. Mostly because I don't think that we will ever be a priority for one of the 3 OOC games on their schedule.

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 3:11 pm

I don't see the BYU basketball games going away anytime soon. BYU has even begun playing at UVU and just announced another game in Orem. I do think we will see years that the football game isn't played though. Mostly because I don't think that we will ever be a priority for one of the 3 OOC games on their schedule.

I expect them to alternate between USU and Utah. I would love it if we could play Utah on the years that they don't. It would mean that two of every four years, we would play Utah and BYU in the same season and the other two years, we wouldn't get either of them.

thegreendalegelf wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 4:07 pm

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 3:11 pm

I don't see the BYU basketball games going away anytime soon. BYU has even begun playing at UVU and just announced another game in Orem. I do think we will see years that the football game isn't played though. Mostly because I don't think that we will ever be a priority for one of the 3 OOC games on their schedule.

I expect them to alternate between USU and Utah. I would love it if we could play Utah on the years that they don't. It would mean that two of every four years, we would play Utah and BYU in the same season and the other two years, we wouldn't get either of them.

If Utah is willing to continue to play BYU every year then that game is going to happen every year.

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 4:34 pm

thegreendalegelf wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 4:07 pm

ProvoAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 3:11 pm

I don't see the BYU basketball games going away anytime soon. BYU has even begun playing at UVU and just announced another game in Orem. I do think we will see years that the football game isn't played though. Mostly because I don't think that we will ever be a priority for one of the 3 OOC games on their schedule.

I expect them to alternate between USU and Utah. I would love it if we could play Utah on the years that they don't. It would mean that two of every four years, we would play Utah and BYU in the same season and the other two years, we wouldn't get either of them.

If Utah is willing to continue to play BYU every year then that game is going to happen every year.

I think the frequency of the Holy War recently has been driving by state pressure on Utah to play it. If some on the hill now don't feel the need to apply said pressure, I think Utah will gladly step away more often.

I'd take a 2-1 with BYU with a $1.5 million minimum payout for the second game.

treesap32 wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:30 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:08 pm

you know for damnsure that ybu will now insist on 2 fers or none at all in Logan, bank on it. Time to let the zoobes go wonder off into the weeds and mesquite in Texas and yonder eastward.

Yep. Guaranteed. If you thought the PAC-12 arrogance was bad when Utah joined, just wait until BYU is in the Big-12.

Why go 10-2 in the MWC when you can go 5-7 in the PAC-12?

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 12:13 am

I'd take a 2-1 with BYU with a $1.5 million minimum payout for the second game.

Bad idea.

coolag wrote:

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 12:13 am

I'd take a 2-1 with BYU with a $1.5 million minimum payout for the second game.

Bad idea.

Not only no but hell no

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Donman wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:04 am

coolag wrote:

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 12:13 am

I'd take a 2-1 with BYU with a $1.5 million minimum payout for the second game.

Bad idea.

Not only no but hell no

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Hartwell should lose his job if he agrees to that. I don't care what conference they are in, we are on equal footing with them, we're not some low level FCS school and they sure as hell aren't Alabama.

ususports wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 3:02 pm

gomretat wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:50 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:40 pm

treesap32 wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:30 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑

September 10th, 2021, 1:08 pm

you know for damnsure that ybu will now insist on 2 fers or none at all in Logan, bank on it. Time to let the zoobes go wonder off into the weeds and mesquite in Texas and yonder eastward.

Yep. Guaranteed. If you thought the PAC-12 arrogance was bad when Utah joined, just wait until BYU is in the Big-12.

They will be just as bad if not worse than Utah. The arrogance will be dripping from their bodies like sweat after a workout. I just hope Hartwell never negotiates a 2 for 1 with them. If they want to continue playing home/home then great, if not move and find other teams that will.

There is no question that BYU will be worse than the Utes. They already are worse and that has been without a good conference affiliation. This will be intolerable.

They have agreed to play us home and home in both basketball and football, and that is worse than Utah in what way? I have no doubt that they will become as bad as Utah in scheduling soon enough, but to say they are already worse considering the current scheduling agreements we have is uneducated.

Yeah byu might become worse, but there is no way anyone could actually argue over the last decade byu has been worse than Utah when it comes to scheduling.

Who gives a rat's a$$ if BYU is on our future schedule or not. Utah State can certainly survive just fine without them if it works out that way. Let's not overshadow the success this team is having by focusing on this issue and giving it more attention than it deserves. We still don't completely know how all of this will play out and it's just speculative anyway.

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:06 am

Donman wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:04 am

coolag wrote:

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 12:13 am

I'd take a 2-1 with BYU with a $1.5 million minimum payout for the second game.

Bad idea.

Not only no but hell no

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Hartwell should lose his job if he agrees to that. I don't care what conference they are in, we are on equal footing with them, we're not some low level FCS school and they sure as hell aren't Alabama.

I would give Weber State a 2-1 if they wanted to pay $1.5 million for the second game.

Why wouldn't you? We're getting that much from Alabama to go get our heads kicked in, why wouldn't you sign a contract for the same amount and a winnable game?

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:12 am

Who gives a rat's a$$ if BYU is on our future schedule or not. Utah State can certainly survive just fine without them if it works out that way. Let's not overshadow the success this team is having by focusing on this issue and giving it more attention than it deserves. We still don't completely know how all of this will play out and it's just speculative anyway.

I definitely give a rat's a$$ as do most Aggie fans. Rivalries are a huge part of college football and what makes the game great. I love beating byu and although I'd been out of USU for a few years I was on the field storming with the students when we beat them in 2010.

There is a reason people on here that complain about us not being able to fill the stadium don't have to worry about that topic when we play byu or utah.

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:18 am

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:06 am

Donman wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:04 am

coolag wrote:

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 12:13 am

I'd take a 2-1 with BYU with a $1.5 million minimum payout for the second game.

Bad idea.

Not only no but hell no

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Hartwell should lose his job if he agrees to that. I don't care what conference they are in, we are on equal footing with them, we're not some low level FCS school and they sure as hell aren't Alabama.

I would give Weber State a 2-1 if they wanted to pay $1.5 million for the second game.

Why wouldn't you? We're getting that much from Alabama to go get our heads kicked in, why wouldn't you sign a contract for the same amount and a winnable game?

Yeah people just saw the "2-1" and didn't think your offer through. Obviously you take that if you can get it, but you obviously wouldn't get it.

AggieFBObsession wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:12 am

Who gives a rat's a$$ if BYU is on our future schedule or not. Utah State can certainly survive just fine without them if it works out that way. Let's not overshadow the success this team is having by focusing on this issue and giving it more attention than it deserves. We still don't completely know how all of this will play out and it's just speculative anyway.

Seeing how they are one of the larger crowds of the year, there are a lot of fans that do care. There is a lot of history with the game.

I also don't know how this will play out, and it could be possible the Big XII even goes back to 8 conference games like the PAC-12 did.

I don't worry tons about it. The game may not be played, but USU is much more competitive than it was 20 years ago when BYU cancelled the series.

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:18 am

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:06 am

Donman wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:04 am

coolag wrote:

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 12:13 am

I'd take a 2-1 with BYU with a $1.5 million minimum payout for the second game.

Bad idea.

Not only no but hell no

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Hartwell should lose his job if he agrees to that. I don't care what conference they are in, we are on equal footing with them, we're not some low level FCS school and they sure as hell aren't Alabama.

I would give Weber State a 2-1 if they wanted to pay $1.5 million for the second game.

Why wouldn't you? We're getting that much from Alabama to go get our heads kicked in, why wouldn't you sign a contract for the same amount and a winnable game?

Because the game against byu-p isn't about the money, it's about the state of Utah. It's about ALL the (I can't express myself without swearing) they have shoved in our faces for years. You take that 2-1 with that money, and we are still little brother looking for a hand out instead of kicking their teeth and taking back that wagon wheel. It's a rivalry, that why. IMHO

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:34 am

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:18 am

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:06 am

Donman wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:04 am

coolag wrote:

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 12:13 am

I'd take a 2-1 with BYU with a $1.5 million minimum payout for the second game.

Bad idea.

Not only no but hell no

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Hartwell should lose his job if he agrees to that. I don't care what conference they are in, we are on equal footing with them, we're not some low level FCS school and they sure as hell aren't Alabama.

I would give Weber State a 2-1 if they wanted to pay $1.5 million for the second game.

Why wouldn't you? We're getting that much from Alabama to go get our heads kicked in, why wouldn't you sign a contract for the same amount and a winnable game?

Because the game against byu-p isn't about the money, it's about the state of Utah. It's about ALL the (I can't express myself without swearing) they have shoved in our faces for years. You take that 2-1 with that money, and we are still little brother looking for a hand out instead of kicking their teeth and taking back that wagon wheel. It's a rivalry, that why. IMHO

If they were paying us 1.5 million to play them in their stadium, that would be about 3x what an average teams gets for playing there. Why would you not take that kind of money? Do you have an amount you would want? What if byu said we'll pay you 3 million to play in their stadium?

These are all hypotheticals and won't happen, but if any team offered a ton of money that would greatly benefit the athletic department, you take it.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:40 am

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:34 am

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:18 am

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:06 am

Donman wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:04 am

coolag wrote:

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 12:13 am

I'd take a 2-1 with BYU with a $1.5 million minimum payout for the second game.

Bad idea.

Not only no but hell no

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Hartwell should lose his job if he agrees to that. I don't care what conference they are in, we are on equal footing with them, we're not some low level FCS school and they sure as hell aren't Alabama.

I would give Weber State a 2-1 if they wanted to pay $1.5 million for the second game.

Why wouldn't you? We're getting that much from Alabama to go get our heads kicked in, why wouldn't you sign a contract for the same amount and a winnable game?

Because the game against byu-p isn't about the money, it's about the state of Utah. It's about ALL the (I can't express myself without swearing) they have shoved in our faces for years. You take that 2-1 with that money, and we are still little brother looking for a hand out instead of kicking their teeth and taking back that wagon wheel. It's a rivalry, that why. IMHO

If they were paying us 1.5 million to play them in their stadium, that would be about 3x what an average teams gets for playing there. Why would you not take that kind of money? Do you have an amount you would want? What if byu said we'll pay you 3 million to play in their stadium?

These are all hypotheticals and won't happen, but if any team offered a ton of money that would greatly benefit the athletic department, you take it.

Listen, I get money makes all this possible, I'm not ignorant to that fact. We don't need byu-p dollars, there are other games and other schools willing to do the same. Listen if they were some world beater, top 5 team, I get it. They aren't and after we have spent decades clawing back to respectability after their BS, no thank you. For me, it's not worth the cost. Love to play them, but not on less than equal terms.

I bet BYU is going to pull a Utah and refuse to schedule us. Home and home with them will be a thing of the past.

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BYU is just one game. I would be fine with another good G6 or a low to mid tier P4 team anyway

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:40 am

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:34 am

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:18 am

Aggie19 wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:06 am

Donman wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:04 am

coolag wrote:

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 12:13 am

I'd take a 2-1 with BYU with a $1.5 million minimum payout for the second game.

Bad idea.

Not only no but hell no

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Hartwell should lose his job if he agrees to that. I don't care what conference they are in, we are on equal footing with them, we're not some low level FCS school and they sure as hell aren't Alabama.

I would give Weber State a 2-1 if they wanted to pay $1.5 million for the second game.

Why wouldn't you? We're getting that much from Alabama to go get our heads kicked in, why wouldn't you sign a contract for the same amount and a winnable game?

Because the game against byu-p isn't about the money, it's about the state of Utah. It's about ALL the (I can't express myself without swearing) they have shoved in our faces for years. You take that 2-1 with that money, and we are still little brother looking for a hand out instead of kicking their teeth and taking back that wagon wheel. It's a rivalry, that why. IMHO

If they were paying us 1.5 million to play them in their stadium, that would be about 3x what an average teams gets for playing there. Why would you not take that kind of money? Do you have an amount you would want? What if byu said we'll pay you 3 million to play in their stadium?

These are all hypotheticals and won't happen, but if any team offered a ton of money that would greatly benefit the athletic department, you take it.

My stance on this subject is the same that it has been for many years: If we have to play a money game, I'm fine with a 2-for-1 with BYU or Utah if the extra road game is a money game. Right now our budget requires us to play a money game every year. Most of the time it's a game in a distant corner of the country where very few fans can attend. And it's usually a guaranteed loss with a significant risk of injury to our players. If we can replace basically a guaranteed loss against Alabama with a winnable game in Salt Lake City or Provo that is an easy drive for our fans, we would be stupid not to do it.

To be clear, I am only okay with this if they are paying us the market rate for money games (i.e., the same that Alabama would pay us). If they are only offering $500k and we would have to play another money game, then no deal. And if we get to the point where our team no longer needs to play money games at all, then also no deal. But if we have to play a money game, a local money game against a winnable opponent is much better than a guaranteed loss far from home.

BYU future schedules have Rice, UCF, and USF. If BYU backs out of playing in Logan for a few years when it joins the Big 12, I hope Hartwell is calling up the teams in that order to fill the hole that BYU likely leaves in their schedule. I like having BYU on the schedule, and maybe we can even get Utah back on the schedule if the PAC-12 moves to 8 conference games and BYU cancels that game (although I'm not going to hold my breath).

FromLItoLogan wrote: ↑

September 12th, 2021, 10:12 am

Imakeitrain wrote: ↑

September 11th, 2021, 10:56 pm

BYU is just one game. I would be fine with another good G6 or a low to mid tier P4 team anyway

I think we try to start keep Washington State on the schedule, and maybe try for a lower Big10 team like Indiana or Illinois but depending on how we do this season they may be a little scared of future scheduling.

Our money games are scheduled out until 2029 or 2030 anyway.

I would love to play BYU every year, but I just don’t think that is going to happen moving forward. I’d imagine that BYU’s schedule will consist of

(1) 8 conference games
(2) FCS game
(3) Utah
(4) non-con P5 matchup
(5) 1 flex game (Boise State, USU, other G5 opponents)

At best, I think we are looking at alternating years with BSU, but that’s a brutal schedule for the Cougars. I doubt they want to be playing BSU or USU every year on top of everything else.

On our end (and people will hate to hear this) BYU’s P5 affiliation will likely create a talent gap between USU and BYU that doesn’t really exist now. It won’t make sense for us to play the game every year either unless it becomes our “money game” (which BYU will never pay us the SEC or Big 10 going rate) or unless we no longer need a money game. A money game and a P5 BYU is probably a bit too scheduled up most years.

ineptimusprime wrote:I would love to play BYU every year, but that just isn’t going to happen moving forward. I’d imagine that BYU’s schedule will consist of

(1) 8 conference games
(2) FCS game
(3) Utah
(4) non-con P5 matchup
(5) 1 flex game (Boise State, USU, other G5 opponents)

At best, I think we are looking at alternating years with BSU, but that’s a brutal schedule for the Cougars. I doubt they want to be playing BSU or USU every year on top of everything else.

On our end (and people will hate to hear this) BYU’s P5 affiliation will likely create a talent gap between USU and BYU that doesn’t really exist now. It won’t make sense for us to play the game every year either unless it becomes our “money game” (which BYU will never pay us the going SEC or Big 10 going rate) or unless we no longer need a money game. A money game and a P5 BYU is probably a bit too scheduled up most years.

If both Pac12/Big12 do 8 game conference schedule, then I think you are exactly right. That’s how Georgia/GT and Florida/FSU do theirs as ACC and SEC currently only play 8. However if even one of the two conferences (P12/B12) does 9 game league schedule then either the non-con P5 or the rivalry game will not happen. For Iowa/ISU, the state legislature put a lot of pressure on both schools to resume the rivalry game after a 4 decade hiatus. Now they play each other and neither one plays any other non-Conf P5 teams due to 9 game conference schedules in B12/B1G.