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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by AggieFBObsession » September 20th, 2021, 1:37 pm

I remember clearly when MWC fans from almost every school were saying that Utah State would be a drag on the conference...

It's really silly to me when fans talk like that. If a school has potential, fits the culture of the conference and has good leadership, make it happen. I don't care if their football program sucks at the moment. Montana would check all the boxes.
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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by aggies22 » September 20th, 2021, 1:40 pm

ratofallaggies wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:13 pm
slcagg wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:01 pm
ratofallaggies wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 12:51 pm
Invite SMU and UTSA and move on. Wont miss playing AF every year.
How is Utsa different than sjsu?
A few differences:

-UTSA endowment is 180M, SJSU is 140M
-UTSA enrollment is 34k, SJSU enrollment is 32K
-UTSA plays in the alamodome (64K capacity), SJSU plays in.... well if you've been there, you know
-Texas (MW has zero presence here), The Bay area (MW has two other CA schools)
Exactly. As far as San Antonio is concerned, UTSA is the only game in town. I think there are possibilities for them to improve once they were to get into a better conference such as the Mountain West.
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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by Aggie84025 » September 20th, 2021, 1:40 pm

ratofallaggies wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 12:51 pm
Invite SMU and UTSA and move on. Wont miss playing AF every year.
I don't think SMU would leave, but i would love to be wrong they would be an awesome addition. I would guess UTSA and North Texas.



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by CaptainChaos » September 20th, 2021, 3:27 pm

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Staying at 10 is cool for football. You could get a true 9 game conference round robin schedule.

Personally, I would dig the 9 team oly sports lineup. However, that would mean a 16 conference games schedule. The MW voted for 20 so I would guess the add would be non football schools.

I don't think Gonzaga would be interested so I am not sure who would be a good add..
Maybe standing pat is the move. I like to think there are teams that can add value to the MWC but I'm not seeing obvious options. Besides, when everyone is moving one direction and adding a bunch of teams maybe the best thing would be to go the other direction. We saw how the WAC superconference failed and the SEC is going to have pretty significant scheduling issues. They have teams with long histories and marque matchups in the same conference, but because they are in the same conference they can only play each other every 8 to 10 years- that is lame as hell! It is going to get worse for the SEC with the addition of 2 more teams! I'm not sure giant conferences are the best move.



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by slcagg » September 20th, 2021, 3:31 pm

aggies22 wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:40 pm
ratofallaggies wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:13 pm
slcagg wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:01 pm
ratofallaggies wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 12:51 pm
Invite SMU and UTSA and move on. Wont miss playing AF every year.
How is Utsa different than sjsu?
A few differences:

-UTSA endowment is 180M, SJSU is 140M
-UTSA enrollment is 34k, SJSU enrollment is 32K
-UTSA plays in the alamodome (64K capacity), SJSU plays in.... well if you've been there, you know
-Texas (MW has zero presence here), The Bay area (MW has two other CA schools)
Exactly. As far as San Antonio is concerned, UTSA is the only game in town. I think there are possibilities for them to improve once they were to get into a better conference such as the Mountain West.
San Jose is the only team in San Jose.

San Antonio is close to Austin.



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by Aggie702 » September 20th, 2021, 3:32 pm

I think this is the source:



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by AGinNEIowa » September 20th, 2021, 3:50 pm

slcagg wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 3:31 pm
aggies22 wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:40 pm
ratofallaggies wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:13 pm
slcagg wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:01 pm
ratofallaggies wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 12:51 pm
Invite SMU and UTSA and move on. Wont miss playing AF every year.
How is Utsa different than sjsu?
A few differences:

-UTSA endowment is 180M, SJSU is 140M
-UTSA enrollment is 34k, SJSU enrollment is 32K
-UTSA plays in the alamodome (64K capacity), SJSU plays in.... well if you've been there, you know
-Texas (MW has zero presence here), The Bay area (MW has two other CA schools)
Exactly. As far as San Antonio is concerned, UTSA is the only game in town. I think there are possibilities for them to improve once they were to get into a better conference such as the Mountain West.
San Jose is the only team in San Jose.

San Antonio is close to Austin.
you can drive from SJSU to Stanford back to SJSU then to Cal in about 10 more minutes than UTSA to UT-Austin one way.
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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by slcagg » September 20th, 2021, 4:09 pm

AGinNEIowa wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 3:50 pm
slcagg wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 3:31 pm
aggies22 wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:40 pm
ratofallaggies wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:13 pm
slcagg wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 1:01 pm
ratofallaggies wrote:
September 20th, 2021, 12:51 pm
Invite SMU and UTSA and move on. Wont miss playing AF every year.
How is Utsa different than sjsu?
A few differences:

-UTSA endowment is 180M, SJSU is 140M
-UTSA enrollment is 34k, SJSU enrollment is 32K
-UTSA plays in the alamodome (64K capacity), SJSU plays in.... well if you've been there, you know
-Texas (MW has zero presence here), The Bay area (MW has two other CA schools)
Exactly. As far as San Antonio is concerned, UTSA is the only game in town. I think there are possibilities for them to improve once they were to get into a better conference such as the Mountain West.
San Jose is the only team in San Jose.

San Antonio is close to Austin.
you can drive from SJSU to Stanford back to SJSU then to Cal in about 10 more minutes than UTSA to UT-Austin one way.
That’s fair. But I think my point still should be considered that Utsa does absolutely nothing to add value to the conference. Very few in San Antonio actually care about them.

The reason Boise does well as the only show is they don’t have the Spurs, no other college teams in the state etc. Utsa has no history and never will. They are much more like San Jose than say a boise.

There is a reason they are in conference USA and there is a reason that they have not been competitive in conference USA. They won’t be coming to the mw because they simply would just be one more team e
At the table without adding any value. That’s what it comes down to.



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by ViAggie » September 20th, 2021, 4:23 pm

What’s odd is that their fans either don’t want them to bolt (CSU) or they are oblivious about it (AFA) at least that’s what I gather from visiting their messages boards. CSU fans not at all thrilled, AFA fans not even talking about it, just making up excuses for how they lost (uhhh hey zommies, we beat you, that’s how you lost). So what the School Presidents are up to is a mystery to most.


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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by Coloraggie » September 20th, 2021, 4:28 pm

I live in Colorado and this seems weird to me. The border war between CSU and Wyoming is a much more fierce rivalry than CSU/Air Force. I don't see why CSU would ditch Wyoming to go with Air Force. Add in all the other arguments here about going to a lesser conference and increased travel costs with only one regional school and it doesn't make sense for CSU to go. I can see Air Force going but I don't think it makes a lot of sense for them, unless they are really really Jonesing to get in a conference with Navy and open up one more game for scheduling. CSU makes no sense to me.

I would be upset if CSU left, I really think USU needs to be in a conference with CSU, Wyoming and Nevada, after that I'm not as particular. The only way I'd want a conference without those three would be a PAC12 invite and then I would expect CSU to come along, then we would have Utah and CSU in our conference with other western schools, but that isn't going to happen.



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by ratofallaggies » September 20th, 2021, 4:32 pm

I really don't see this happening. I think CSU and AF are listening to the conversation, which is dumb, but will likely stay put. Among everything else that's been said, they would also have to fork up for the buy out.



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by slcagg » September 20th, 2021, 4:35 pm

ratofallaggies wrote:
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I really don't see this happening. I think CSU and AF are listening to the conversation, which is dumb, but will likely stay put. Among everything else that's been said, they would also have to fork up for the buy out.
I agree 100%. Doesn’t hurt to listen but in the end it does not make sense for them.



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by 3rdGenAggie » September 20th, 2021, 6:18 pm

From SLC, Dallas is a 2 hr 45 minute direct flight, Memphis is a 3 hour direct flight.

If you can get them to come, Memphis and SMU are the obvious choices.

I doubt it would happen, but pulling Memphis and SMU from the AAC right after CSU and AFA take off would be epic.


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Post by BioAggie » September 20th, 2021, 6:33 pm

After working in San Antonio and spending much time there I can affirm that the citizens of San Antonio are completely UNAWARE that a University exists in their city.

UTSA would be about as beneficial to the MW as adding Bridgerland Applied Technology Institute. With a slight edge given to Bridgerland.



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Post by Blitz79 » September 20th, 2021, 7:09 pm

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After working in San Antonio and spending much time there I can affirm that the citizens of San Antonio are completely UNAWARE that a University exists in their city.

UTSA would be about as beneficial to the MW as adding Bridgerland Applied Technology Institute. With a slight edge given to Bridgerland.
You mean Bridgerland Technical College.

San Antonio's population is 2,368,207 according to google. There is potential there.



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by ncs53 » September 21st, 2021, 11:37 am

UTSA wouldn't be one of my top choices to add, but they aren't as bad at football as everyone seems to think. They did just beat Illinois on the road which is about as good as our WSU win.
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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by slcagg » September 21st, 2021, 11:45 am

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UTSA wouldn't be one of my top choices to add, but they aren't as bad at football as everyone seems to think. They did just beat Illinois on the road which is about as good as our WSU win.
What kind of consistent record would you could consider decent?

Utsa: last 10 years winning % at 44%, last 5 years at 43% and last 3 years at 39%

Here is a link to a thread that shows some of these candidates. There are very few that make any sense in adding unless we have to add members to survive.

https://www.usufans.com/Forums/viewtopi ... =4&t=59061



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by AGNUMPI » September 21st, 2021, 1:39 pm

SMU and Memphis make the most sense to me. I would take Tulsa as well. I don't like North Texas. UTSA I'm pretty indifferent, but I see some potential there. Rice can be confusing because it is also food.
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Post by ncs53 » September 21st, 2021, 1:51 pm

I didn't say they were decent or that we should add them, I said they aren't as bad as people think. They have 2 P5 wins in 10 seasons and we have 3.

What do you consider decent, because we're not much better:

Last 10: 55%, Last 5: 45%, Last 3: 52%

UTSA looks petty good for a team that's only played 10 seasons compared to our 120+



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by slcagg » September 21st, 2021, 2:36 pm

ncs53 wrote:
September 21st, 2021, 1:51 pm
I didn't say they were decent or that we should add them, I said they aren't as bad as people think. They have 2 P5 wins in 10 seasons and we have 3.

What do you consider decent, because we're not much better:

Last 10: 55%, Last 5: 45%, Last 3: 52%

UTSA looks petty good for a team that's only played 10 seasons compared to our 120+
Hmmm…I would say 40% is pretty bad but that’s just me. Interesting point on p5 wins.

Btw our winning % is close to 60% over that same time in a much better conference. Plus we have a very solid basketball program.



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Post by utaggies » September 21st, 2021, 3:22 pm

This whole business about the AFA and CSU potentially jumping conference is simply about nobody wanting to be without a seat when the music stops playing. BSU and SDS are simply biding their time until the Big 12 wishes to add two more teams. So they aren’t bailing. The two MWC teams would not benefit financially, competitively nor geographically but they would find a home in uncertain times. Remember “The Project”? Commitments to hang together lasted a nano second. Nobody, except USU was willing to risk being left behind.

My opinion is that if no other teams from the MWC besides the AFA and CSU jump then even those two teams will not jump either.



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by MWCFAN12 » September 21st, 2021, 3:33 pm

https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/ar ... 13023.html

TCU & Houston to the PAC 12 ??? I will die from laughter if byu is in the Big 12 when it falls ...
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Post by slcagg » September 21st, 2021, 3:39 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote:
September 21st, 2021, 3:33 pm
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/ar ... 13023.html

TCU & Houston to the PAC 12 ??? I will die from laughter if byu is in the Big 12 when it falls ...
The big 12 renegotiated tv deal is going to look a lot more like $10m per year rather than $30m per year.



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by BigBlueDart » September 21st, 2021, 4:43 pm

With the way their fans are reacting at CSU it kind of feels like the parents making the kid move away from where all his friends are.



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Post by 3rdGenAggie » September 21st, 2021, 4:52 pm

MWCFAN12 wrote:
September 21st, 2021, 3:33 pm
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/ar ... 13023.html

TCU & Houston to the PAC 12 ??? I will die from laughter if byu is in the Big 12 when it falls ...
The Big 12 "falling" in this way ends with USU lacking a stable home.

A conference with Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, WVU, Cincinnati, TTU, UCF, K-State, Baylor and BYU is still a "taker" not an ultimate loser.

The "worst" place the Big 12 could end up is being the AAC with a western division.


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Post by ratofallaggies » September 21st, 2021, 5:12 pm

CSU has started thinking rationally. We’ll see if AF comes to their senses
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Post by GeoAg » September 21st, 2021, 5:12 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote:
September 21st, 2021, 4:52 pm
MWCFAN12 wrote:
September 21st, 2021, 3:33 pm
https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/ar ... 13023.html

TCU & Houston to the PAC 12 ??? I will die from laughter if byu is in the Big 12 when it falls ...
The Big 12 "falling" in this way ends with USU lacking a stable home.

A conference with Oklahoma State, Kansas, Iowa State, WVU, Cincinnati, TTU, UCF, K-State, Baylor and BYU is still a "taker" not an ultimate loser.

The "worst" place the Big 12 could end up is being the AAC with a western division.
No doubt. Best thing for USU right now is stability in the current alignment.


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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by GeoAg » September 21st, 2021, 5:14 pm

ratofallaggies wrote:
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CSU has started thinking rationally. We’ll see if AF comes to their senses
Rat, would love to keep everything intact, but would AFA go on their own? If they do, is it that big a loss? There are some plusses about not having them on the football and basketball schedules.


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Post by ratofallaggies » September 21st, 2021, 5:45 pm

GeoAg wrote:
September 21st, 2021, 5:14 pm
ratofallaggies wrote:
September 21st, 2021, 5:12 pm
CSU has started thinking rationally. We’ll see if AF comes to their senses
Rat, would love to keep everything intact, but would AFA go on their own? If they do, is it that big a loss? There are some plusses about not having them on the football and basketball schedules.
AF is such a wild card. I’d still be surprised if they go, but we’ll see. I’m not huge on AF, but they do have value.



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Post by 3rdGenAggie » September 21st, 2021, 6:21 pm

Let's say AF leaves and CSU stays. What's the next step?


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Post by LarryTheAggie » September 21st, 2021, 6:40 pm

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Let's say AF leaves and CSU stays. What's the next step?
Invite Memphis and SMU and let them decide who the third team is. Or you go to 16 and have the choose the 4th and 5th too. Also invite wichita state for basketball.

The biggest issue with Memphis is geography. Losing Airforce let's you pick another eastern school to help out with that.
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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by TrueAG » September 21st, 2021, 6:41 pm

Please leave AF!



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Re: upadated conference realignment

Post by Aggie84025 » September 21st, 2021, 6:41 pm

I know they are completely on the other side of the country, but is Liberty looking at joining a conference? Certainly they are a long ways away, but they are pumping a lot of money into their sports team and actually have really solid programs.



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Post by slcagg » September 21st, 2021, 6:43 pm

Aggie84025 wrote:
September 21st, 2021, 6:41 pm
I know they are completely on the other side of the country, but is Liberty looking at joining a conference? Certainly they are a long ways away, but they are pumping a lot of money into their sports team and actually have really solid programs.
I could see Liberty as a aac candidate



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