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This was the only bit of information in the entire article that made me . It makes NO sense for the exact reasons you stated.AgMac wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 9:55 amIt's hard for me to have any confidence in Mandel's reporting when he states that Dave Aranda pursued the job in 2018. There is no chance in hell that is true. Aranda was making $2.5M/yr at LSU as part of a guaranteed $10M contract. The only way he leaves that is for a P5 job (and money), which is exactly what happened. No way he pursued the USU job.
I was actually so excited to read this when it popped up on my Athletic feed because I thought someone was finally going to get to the bottom of the mysterious Gary Andersen and ask some hard questions of people in the know. Instead it was just some lame recap of where he had coached and pointing out how odd his path was without giving any real reasons as to why. They got into some problems on the surface like the clash of philosophies between GA and Alvarez at Wiscy and then brushed over the issues at OSU by using the good old "bad assistants" story that we have already heard based on his emails/texts to the Oregon journalist. All this is old news and doesn't explain what was truly going on. Hartwell refused to be interviewed for the article (not a surprise) so we get nothing about GA 2.0 at USU.
Pretty disappointing.
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In regards to point #1, why do you think we suddenly have money to pay coordinators more money and bring in all these different analysts. We currently have the largest football staff we have EVER had.3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 10:09 am1. Aranda would have been a great hire if he really wanted it. If that's true Jim Laub screwed the pooch worse than we thought by insisting on GA.
2. I can't read the article. Was the resignation letter when he "resigned" from Utah State? If he "resigned" from USU the second time, I feel pretty confident USU allowed it so GA could save face, but he was gone whether he wanted to be or not.
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100% correct my Aggie brother.Floppy Hat wrote: ↑October 11th, 2021, 1:44 pmNot at all, in fact he had a big impact on the large increase in our assistant coach salaries.
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Just to clarify, the entire "liquidated damages" section is in reference to Coach or USU ending the contract for convenience. Just because the resignation letter references "liquidated damages" doesn't mean Gary was fired.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 7:05 amThe letter clearly reflects a waiver of damages that would flow to USU, not Gary. Does anyone have the liquidated damages clause from his contract handy?
No idea if that was just a strategic attempt to get Gary on record agreeing with USU’s framing of events to head off litigation if Gary changed his mind about pursuing his buyout, whether it means Gary “quit,” or, if as speculated, there was some other “for cause”basis to terminate him/find him in breach that USU was agreeing to waive.
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No, but John Hartwell stating that he was means he was fired.Floppy Hat wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 10:41 amJust to clarify, the entire "liquidated damages" section is in reference to Coach or USU ending the contract for convenience. Just because the resignation letter references "liquidated damages" doesn't mean Gary was fired.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 7:05 amThe letter clearly reflects a waiver of damages that would flow to USU, not Gary. Does anyone have the liquidated damages clause from his contract handy?
No idea if that was just a strategic attempt to get Gary on record agreeing with USU’s framing of events to head off litigation if Gary changed his mind about pursuing his buyout, whether it means Gary “quit,” or, if as speculated, there was some other “for cause”basis to terminate him/find him in breach that USU was agreeing to waive.
He talked about it in an interview with 1280, and the student paper wrote about in June.
https://1280thezone.com/utah-state-athl ... -andersen/
https://usustatesman.com/state-of-the-u ... -hartwell/
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Dave Aranda was VERY interested in the Head Coach job here. Money was not an issue.AgMac wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 9:55 amIt's hard for me to have any confidence in Mandel's reporting when he states that Dave Aranda pursued the job in 2018. There is no chance in hell that is true. Aranda was making $2.5M/yr at LSU as part of a guaranteed $10M contract. The only way he leaves that is for a P5 job (and money), which is exactly what happened. No way he pursued the USU job.
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Regardless of what anyone wants to believe, Gary was fired.Floppy Hat wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 10:41 amJust to clarify, the entire "liquidated damages" section is in reference to Coach or USU ending the contract for convenience. Just because the resignation letter references "liquidated damages" doesn't mean Gary was fired.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 7:05 amThe letter clearly reflects a waiver of damages that would flow to USU, not Gary. Does anyone have the liquidated damages clause from his contract handy?
No idea if that was just a strategic attempt to get Gary on record agreeing with USU’s framing of events to head off litigation if Gary changed his mind about pursuing his buyout, whether it means Gary “quit,” or, if as speculated, there was some other “for cause”basis to terminate him/find him in breach that USU was agreeing to waive.
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It is like Jay Hill. He was offered a coordinator position at the University of Utah for more money, but he wanted to be a head coach and finish the job.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 11:07 amDave Aranda was VERY interested in the Head Coach job here. Money was not an issue.AgMac wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 9:55 amIt's hard for me to have any confidence in Mandel's reporting when he states that Dave Aranda pursued the job in 2018. There is no chance in hell that is true. Aranda was making $2.5M/yr at LSU as part of a guaranteed $10M contract. The only way he leaves that is for a P5 job (and money), which is exactly what happened. No way he pursued the USU job.
People will take pay cuts for that type of opportunity.
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Re: Gary Andersen article in the Athletic
I'm not saying he wasn't fired and I knew I should have clarified that when I posted. Too many people jumped on the "liquidated damages" as evidence he was fired and I was trying to point out that it can't be interpreted that way.NowhereLandAggie wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 10:59 am
No, but John Hartwell stating that he was means he was fired.
He talked about it in an interview with 1280, and the student paper wrote about in June.
https://1280thezone.com/utah-state-athl ... -andersen/
https://usustatesman.com/state-of-the-u ... -hartwell/
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Wow, that’s a gut punch. Boosters thank you for investing in USU we really appreciate it, but please stay out of hiring decisions.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 11:07 amDave Aranda was VERY interested in the Head Coach job here. Money was not an issue.AgMac wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 9:55 amIt's hard for me to have any confidence in Mandel's reporting when he states that Dave Aranda pursued the job in 2018. There is no chance in hell that is true. Aranda was making $2.5M/yr at LSU as part of a guaranteed $10M contract. The only way he leaves that is for a P5 job (and money), which is exactly what happened. No way he pursued the USU job.
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It is a little bit funny as to how diffent ends of this are trying to get "their" side of the story out.... BUT STILL NOT TELL EVEN CLOSE TO THE FULL STORY. There is a bunch of stuff that has never really came to light here. And for Gary's sake and USU's sake I hope it never does. Gary is a good man, mistakes were made I wish him the best. Jon is a good AD, could have done a few things different and buy in a bit more, He has learned a lesson or two and moved on.
I wish all the parties the best and hope that is 10 plus years we are giving GA a standing O during halftime of a game to celebrate the WAC championship. He did a lot for the program.
I wish all the parties the best and hope that is 10 plus years we are giving GA a standing O during halftime of a game to celebrate the WAC championship. He did a lot for the program.
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I honestly just get tired of the veiled, wink-wink, posts about this Gary mess. It would seem that there are many who could enlighten the rest of us. All of the secrecy just lets minds wander to the worst of the worst scenarios. I find it all rather tiresome and annoying. I respect those who feel they can't discuss it, but I also don't care to hear about what you know but can't say.
This is obviously a puff piece to get Gary's name back out in the coaching field. Good for him. He was not a good coach the last go around, and I don't want him back around our program in any form.
This is obviously a puff piece to get Gary's name back out in the coaching field. Good for him. He was not a good coach the last go around, and I don't want him back around our program in any form.
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Exactly. Either provide one piece of confirmable evidence or stop talking about it. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of people that talk about a "cheerleader problem" or a "drinking problem" are now sharing fifth-hand information and likely have never met Gary or have any sort of worthwhile inside information.NVAggie wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:14 pmI honestly just get tired of the veiled, wink-wink, posts about this Gary mess. It would seem that there are many who could enlighten the rest of us. All of the secrecy just lets minds wander to the worst of the worst scenarios. I find it all rather tiresome and annoying. I respect those who feel they can't discuss it, but I also don't care to hear about what you know but can't say.
This is obviously a puff piece to get Gary's name back out in the coaching field. Good for him. He was not a good coach the last go around, and I don't want him back around our program in any form.
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As a public employee, the truth should come out. This isn't a private company. GA was one of the states highest paid state employees, who is fired mysteriously and we the public doesn't know why?
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If that is the case, it is the first thing I'm upset with Hartwell on. It should have been Aranda's job if he wanted it regardless of what a booster wanted.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 11:07 amDave Aranda was VERY interested in the Head Coach job here. Money was not an issue.AgMac wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 9:55 amIt's hard for me to have any confidence in Mandel's reporting when he states that Dave Aranda pursued the job in 2018. There is no chance in hell that is true. Aranda was making $2.5M/yr at LSU as part of a guaranteed $10M contract. The only way he leaves that is for a P5 job (and money), which is exactly what happened. No way he pursued the USU job.
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Gary was fired, but I truly believe that it came as a relief when he got the call from Hartwell. I remember posting on here that Gary didn't want the 2020 season to happen at all, and understandably people were skeptical because that's so far off from the person that he was in his first stint, but that was the truth. He quit Oregon State because he didn't want to be a head coach, but he thought that returning to his roots would bring back some of the old fire. It clearly did not.
It's hard to comprehend a truly mutual parting of ways, especially when so much money is involved, but I think this was about as close as it gets. Gary wasn't going to quit because that's not who he is, but that doesn't mean he wasn't ready to be done.
It's hard to comprehend a truly mutual parting of ways, especially when so much money is involved, but I think this was about as close as it gets. Gary wasn't going to quit because that's not who he is, but that doesn't mean he wasn't ready to be done.
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A public institution has to release information when asked, but they don't have to volunteer information.
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You say quitting isn't who he is, but in your previous paragraph you say he quit from Oregon State.stang wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:39 pmGary was fired, but I truly believe that it came as a relief when he got the call from Hartwell. I remember posting on here that Gary didn't want the 2020 season to happen at all, and understandably people were skeptical because that's so far off from the person that he was in his first stint, but that was the truth. He quit Oregon State because he didn't want to be a head coach, but he thought that returning to his roots would bring back some of the old fire. It clearly did not.
It's hard to comprehend a truly mutual parting of ways, especially when so much money is involved, but I think this was about as close as it gets. Gary wasn't going to quit because that's not who he is, but that doesn't mean he wasn't ready to be done.
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That's the point and shows how little people care about USU. If this had happened at the U, do you think there would be little to no coverage or follow up?3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:40 pmA public institution has to release information when asked, but they don't have to volunteer information.
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You're right, let me rephrase... he wasn't going to quit because he doesn't see himself as a quitter and doesn't want to be perceived as such.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:43 pmYou say quitting isn't who he is, but in your previous paragraph you say he quit from Oregon State.stang wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:39 pmGary was fired, but I truly believe that it came as a relief when he got the call from Hartwell. I remember posting on here that Gary didn't want the 2020 season to happen at all, and understandably people were skeptical because that's so far off from the person that he was in his first stint, but that was the truth. He quit Oregon State because he didn't want to be a head coach, but he thought that returning to his roots would bring back some of the old fire. It clearly did not.
It's hard to comprehend a truly mutual parting of ways, especially when so much money is involved, but I think this was about as close as it gets. Gary wasn't going to quit because that's not who he is, but that doesn't mean he wasn't ready to be done.
Gary quit on his team well before the season began. I just don't think that he was going to be the one making the call to leave USU.
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So, why do you think Keegan is so mad about the situation then?stang wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:39 pmGary was fired, but I truly believe that it came as a relief when he got the call from Hartwell. I remember posting on here that Gary didn't want the 2020 season to happen at all, and understandably people were skeptical because that's so far off from the person that he was in his first stint, but that was the truth. He quit Oregon State because he didn't want to be a head coach, but he thought that returning to his roots would bring back some of the old fire. It clearly did not.
It's hard to comprehend a truly mutual parting of ways, especially when so much money is involved, but I think this was about as close as it gets. Gary wasn't going to quit because that's not who he is, but that doesn't mean he wasn't ready to be done.
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I doubt Keegan knows much about his parents' inner and personal lives, as is likely the case for the majority of us. But, like Keegan, we will always defend our parents if a perceived attack comes.2004AG wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:49 pmSo, why do you think Keegan is so mad about the situation then?stang wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:39 pmGary was fired, but I truly believe that it came as a relief when he got the call from Hartwell. I remember posting on here that Gary didn't want the 2020 season to happen at all, and understandably people were skeptical because that's so far off from the person that he was in his first stint, but that was the truth. He quit Oregon State because he didn't want to be a head coach, but he thought that returning to his roots would bring back some of the old fire. It clearly did not.
It's hard to comprehend a truly mutual parting of ways, especially when so much money is involved, but I think this was about as close as it gets. Gary wasn't going to quit because that's not who he is, but that doesn't mean he wasn't ready to be done.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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I think Keegan is so mad about the situation because it put him out of a job and because he knew he wasn't going to find another because frankly he wasn't qualified for the one that he had.2004AG wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:49 pmSo, why do you think Keegan is so mad about the situation then?stang wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:39 pmGary was fired, but I truly believe that it came as a relief when he got the call from Hartwell. I remember posting on here that Gary didn't want the 2020 season to happen at all, and understandably people were skeptical because that's so far off from the person that he was in his first stint, but that was the truth. He quit Oregon State because he didn't want to be a head coach, but he thought that returning to his roots would bring back some of the old fire. It clearly did not.
It's hard to comprehend a truly mutual parting of ways, especially when so much money is involved, but I think this was about as close as it gets. Gary wasn't going to quit because that's not who he is, but that doesn't mean he wasn't ready to be done.
He probably feels like his pops was wronged for one reason or another, but even though he probably won't ever publicly admit it, Gary had little to no interest in coaching football long before he was given the axe.
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I don't know that this is the case with GA's firing, but that fact could work to USU's favor in some situations.TrueAG wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:43 pmThat's the point and shows how little people care about USU. If this had happened at the U, do you think there would be little to no coverage or follow up?3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:40 pmA public institution has to release information when asked, but they don't have to volunteer information.
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This type of secrecy?NVAggie wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:14 pmI honestly just get tired of the veiled, wink-wink, posts about this Gary mess. It would seem that there are many who could enlighten the rest of us. All of the secrecy just lets minds wander to the worst of the worst scenarios. I find it all rather tiresome and annoying. I respect those who feel they can't discuss it, but I also don't care to hear about what you know but can't say.
This is obviously a puff piece to get Gary's name back out in the coaching field. Good for him. He was not a good coach the last go around, and I don't want him back around our program in any form.
I have a friend who worked with Alvarez for three years in the Wisconsin athletic department and then followed GA to OSU; his brother was an assistant with GA in OSU and during GA's second stint in Logan, and helped GA find a third party legal firm to negotiate and consult with Hartwell as they hashed out terms and wording for GA's release from his contract.
Can't really say much more though...don't want to let the cat out of the bag. Could get in trouble.
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Money was not an issue? Sure.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 11:07 amDave Aranda was VERY interested in the Head Coach job here. Money was not an issue.AgMac wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 9:55 amIt's hard for me to have any confidence in Mandel's reporting when he states that Dave Aranda pursued the job in 2018. There is no chance in hell that is true. Aranda was making $2.5M/yr at LSU as part of a guaranteed $10M contract. The only way he leaves that is for a P5 job (and money), which is exactly what happened. No way he pursued the USU job.
Sorry, my man. I believe 90% of your reporting. But you'll never convince me this is true.
Is it possible that his camp reach out and ask if USU was interested in Aranda, and if so, could USU come up with $2.5M/yr with guaranteed $10M? Maybe. But that's as far as I believe Aranda would have "pursued" the USU job.
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You should believe me 100% of the time my Aggie brother.AgMac wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 1:11 pmMoney was not an issue? Sure.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 11:07 amDave Aranda was VERY interested in the Head Coach job here. Money was not an issue.AgMac wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 9:55 amIt's hard for me to have any confidence in Mandel's reporting when he states that Dave Aranda pursued the job in 2018. There is no chance in hell that is true. Aranda was making $2.5M/yr at LSU as part of a guaranteed $10M contract. The only way he leaves that is for a P5 job (and money), which is exactly what happened. No way he pursued the USU job.
Sorry, my man. I believe 90% of your reporting. But you'll never convince me this is true.
Is it possible that his camp reach out and ask if USU was interested in Aranda, and if so, could USU come up with $2.5M/yr with guaranteed $10M? Maybe. But that's as far as I believe Aranda would have "pursued" the USU job.
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“Fired” is open to interpretation, because it’s not a legal term of art. It's really just semantics.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 11:08 amRegardless of what anyone wants to believe, Gary was fired.Floppy Hat wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 10:41 amJust to clarify, the entire "liquidated damages" section is in reference to Coach or USU ending the contract for convenience. Just because the resignation letter references "liquidated damages" doesn't mean Gary was fired.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 7:05 amThe letter clearly reflects a waiver of damages that would flow to USU, not Gary. Does anyone have the liquidated damages clause from his contract handy?
No idea if that was just a strategic attempt to get Gary on record agreeing with USU’s framing of events to head off litigation if Gary changed his mind about pursuing his buyout, whether it means Gary “quit,” or, if as speculated, there was some other “for cause”basis to terminate him/find him in breach that USU was agreeing to waive.
Alls I am saying is that Hartwell’s mention of “liquidated damages” and USU waiving its rights under that clause suggests a situation in which USU had a claim for damages against Gary. Meaning Gary was somehow in breach of the agreement. Whether that’s Gary quitting or Gary engaging in some other shenanigans, I have no idea.
Sure seems the most likely scenario is that Gary was ready to resign, and USU was more than happy to facilitate that by waiving its liquidated damages rights to allow Gary to leave. Could have been mutual, could have been USU's idea, could have been Gary's idea. But the letter makes clear legally USU treated the situation as a termination by Gary of the contract (i.e., a voluntary resignation), which USU accepted and then elected not to pursue liquidated damages against Gary.
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You're more than welcome to scoff at the thought of it, but just know that @aggies22 is spot on.AgMac wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 1:11 pmMoney was not an issue? Sure.aggies22 wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 11:07 amDave Aranda was VERY interested in the Head Coach job here. Money was not an issue.AgMac wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 9:55 amIt's hard for me to have any confidence in Mandel's reporting when he states that Dave Aranda pursued the job in 2018. There is no chance in hell that is true. Aranda was making $2.5M/yr at LSU as part of a guaranteed $10M contract. The only way he leaves that is for a P5 job (and money), which is exactly what happened. No way he pursued the USU job.
Sorry, my man. I believe 90% of your reporting. But you'll never convince me this is true.
Is it possible that his camp reach out and ask if USU was interested in Aranda, and if so, could USU come up with $2.5M/yr with guaranteed $10M? Maybe. But that's as far as I believe Aranda would have "pursued" the USU job.
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Exactly- all I can do is speculate that he was in Reno for a game on Thursday night and quits or gets fired on Saturday. So what kind of trouble can a person get into in a few days in Reno? Plenty of trouble to be had in Reno.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 1:09 pmThis type of secrecy?NVAggie wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:14 pmI honestly just get tired of the veiled, wink-wink, posts about this Gary mess. It would seem that there are many who could enlighten the rest of us. All of the secrecy just lets minds wander to the worst of the worst scenarios. I find it all rather tiresome and annoying. I respect those who feel they can't discuss it, but I also don't care to hear about what you know but can't say.
This is obviously a puff piece to get Gary's name back out in the coaching field. Good for him. He was not a good coach the last go around, and I don't want him back around our program in any form.
I have a friend who worked with Alvarez for three years in the Wisconsin athletic department and then followed GA to OSU; his brother was an assistant with GA in OSU and during GA's second stint in Logan, and helped GA find a third party legal firm to negotiate and consult with Hartwell as they hashed out terms and wording for GA's release from his contract.
Can't really say much more though...don't want to let the cat out of the bag. Could get in trouble.
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Re: Gary Andersen article in the Athletic
It's not about Reno or anything that may have occurred in between the two days that you just spoke of.CaptainChaos wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 4:52 pmExactly- all I can do is speculate that he was in Reno for a game on Thursday night and quits or gets fired on Saturday. So what kind of trouble can a person get into in a few days in Reno? Plenty of trouble to be had in Reno.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 1:09 pmThis type of secrecy?NVAggie wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:14 pmI honestly just get tired of the veiled, wink-wink, posts about this Gary mess. It would seem that there are many who could enlighten the rest of us. All of the secrecy just lets minds wander to the worst of the worst scenarios. I find it all rather tiresome and annoying. I respect those who feel they can't discuss it, but I also don't care to hear about what you know but can't say.
This is obviously a puff piece to get Gary's name back out in the coaching field. Good for him. He was not a good coach the last go around, and I don't want him back around our program in any form.
I have a friend who worked with Alvarez for three years in the Wisconsin athletic department and then followed GA to OSU; his brother was an assistant with GA in OSU and during GA's second stint in Logan, and helped GA find a third party legal firm to negotiate and consult with Hartwell as they hashed out terms and wording for GA's release from his contract.
Can't really say much more though...don't want to let the cat out of the bag. Could get in trouble.
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If I had thought Aranda was an option I’d have supported that. Instead I stupidly thought GA could repeat his success. But if I knew Aranda wanted the job, I’d have wanted him.
If Hartwell really wanted Aranda I wish that were leaked. I was choosing between GA, Hill, and the former Oregon coach who oversaw Oregon’s decline.
If Hartwell really wanted Aranda I wish that were leaked. I was choosing between GA, Hill, and the former Oregon coach who oversaw Oregon’s decline.
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This is what has surprised me about the situation.3rdGenAggie wrote:A public institution has to release information when asked, but they don't have to volunteer information.
But it's not really a surprise that the herald journal or local news would request information from the university about Gary. I imagine there's got to be some info there if it was requested.
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People are saying those things because they don't want Utah State thrown under the bus (and they do in fact have real facts that are too personal from the parties involved to be sharing it publicly) because the media in SLC or otherwise victimizes Gary A. The bottom line is that he deserved to be let go and he shouldn't be victimized for it, nor should Utah State be made to look like it was desperate in some way.YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑October 12th, 2021, 12:19 pmExactly. Either provide one piece of confirmable evidence or stop talking about it. I'd be willing to bet that 90% of people that talk about a "cheerleader problem" or a "drinking problem" are now sharing fifth-hand information and likely have never met Gary or have any sort of worthwhile inside information.
Don't try to shoo them away because you don't like that they won't share the insider info. They shouldn't have to and they don't owe anyone anything. And I can fully understand why they are coming to Utah State's defense on these issues.
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