So Miss accepts Sunbelt invite

AKAggie03 · Post by **AKAggie03** » October 23rd, 2021, 12:57 pm

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-sources-s ... 41306.html

Is MwC missing out on an opportunity to strengthen tje conference this year?

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » October 23rd, 2021, 1:34 pm

CUSA is toast, the MWC is head and shoulders above the rest of the G4, adding no one makes zero sense financially, SMU or anyone from the AAC would cost us $20 million per team. How would it have helped us by adding UNT or Texas someone someone some city somewhere?

Sl7vk · Post by **Sl7vk** » October 23rd, 2021, 3:09 pm

Yeah if the MW had added some of these alphabet soup schools, it would have been a disaster.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » October 23rd, 2021, 3:46 pm

I would not mind at all if in the future Hartwell scheduled a home/home with Southern Miss.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » October 23rd, 2021, 3:59 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
October 23rd, 2021, 3:46 pm
I would not mind at all if in the future Hartwell scheduled a home/home with Southern Miss.

We played Southern Miss home and away back in the day, I think they kicked our can both times.

USUaggie · Post by **USUaggie** » October 23rd, 2021, 4:02 pm

ViAggie wrote:
Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
October 23rd, 2021, 3:46 pm
I would not mind at all if in the future Hartwell scheduled a home/home with Southern Miss.
We played Southern Miss home and away back in the day, I think they kicked our can both times.

Not when Ray Guy came to town!

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ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » October 24th, 2021, 12:27 pm

My guess is that the SBC is going to invite 4 more schools and that UTEP is screwed

swordsman1989 · Post by **swordsman1989** » October 24th, 2021, 1:12 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 23rd, 2021, 3:59 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
October 23rd, 2021, 3:46 pm
I would not mind at all if in the future Hartwell scheduled a home/home with Southern Miss.
We played Southern Miss home and away back in the day, I think they kicked our can both times.

USU and USM have met five times, with USU only winning once, in the first matchup:

1972 - Logan: USU 27-21
1973 - Hattiesburg: USM 32-8
1974 - Logan: USM 7-3
1995 - Logan: USM 24-21
1996 - Hattiesburg: USM 31-24

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » October 24th, 2021, 8:37 pm

I feel bad for UTEP and the New Mags, but not bad enough to invite them to join the MWC. UTEPs best option will be to rejoin the WAC and have them along with the new mags work a scheduling alliance with the MWC and go Indy for FB. I don’t see how Conf USA will stay together after the SBC raids them. Who’s left after the raids from the AAC and the SBC? Texas State and UTEP? Who else? Doesn’t look good

trombone_ninja · Post by **trombone_ninja** » October 24th, 2021, 9:06 pm

We're already the top G5 conference now, I see no reason to add additional schools from inferior conferences just for the sake of expanding. Who could we even realistically invite that would truly make us better? Adding UTEP or NMSU doesn't do that.

Agzrule · Post by **Agzrule** » October 24th, 2021, 9:42 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 8:37 pm
I feel bad for UTEP and the New Mags, but not bad enough to invite them to join the MWC. UTEPs best option will be to rejoin the WAC and have them along with the new mags work a scheduling alliance with the MWC and go Indy for FB. I don’t see how Conf USA will stay together after the SBC raids them. Who’s left after the raids from the AAC and the SBC? Texas State and UTEP? Who else? Doesn’t look good

UTEP
FIU
WKU
MTSU
LA TECH

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » October 24th, 2021, 10:57 pm

Agzrule wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 9:42 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 8:37 pm
I feel bad for UTEP and the New Mags, but not bad enough to invite them to join the MWC. UTEPs best option will be to rejoin the WAC and have them along with the new mags work a scheduling alliance with the MWC and go Indy for FB. I don’t see how Conf USA will stay together after the SBC raids them. Who’s left after the raids from the AAC and the SBC? Texas State and UTEP? Who else? Doesn’t look good
UTEP
FIU
WKU
MTSU
LA TECH

Those schools will be invited to the Sun Belt this week... if the SBC was smart they'd invite UTEP too since they already have two Texas schools.

tjensen_25 · Post by **tjensen_25** » October 25th, 2021, 12:39 am

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 10:57 pm

Agzrule wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 9:42 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 8:37 pm
I feel bad for UTEP and the New Mags, but not bad enough to invite them to join the MWC. UTEPs best option will be to rejoin the WAC and have them along with the new mags work a scheduling alliance with the MWC and go Indy for FB. I don’t see how Conf USA will stay together after the SBC raids them. Who’s left after the raids from the AAC and the SBC? Texas State and UTEP? Who else? Doesn’t look good
UTEP
FIU
WKU
MTSU
LA TECH
Those schools will be invited to the Sun Belt this week... if the SBC was smart they'd invite UTEP too since they already have two Texas schools.

So there are 130 FBS football teams with James Madison looking to be #131. Let's do the math when the current announced changes are finished in the next couple of years:

P4 conferences (56 teams): Pac12 - 12 teams, Big 10 - 14 teams, ACC - 14 teams, SEC - soon 16 teams
Big 12: (soon 12 teams) Kan., Kan. St, Okla. St., Tulsa, TCU, Tex. Tech, TCU, Baylor, Houston, Cinn., Cent. Fla., & BYU
Power Indy: (1 team) Notre Dame

= 69 Total - P4 + Big12 + ND

G4 conferences (51 teams): Sun Belt - soon 13 teams + question about James Madison, AAC - soon 14 teams, MAC - 12 teams, MWC - 12 teams
CUSA: (soon 5 teams) UTEP, Mid. Tenn. St., Fla. International, W. Kentucky, & La. Tech
Small Indy for CUSA: (6 teams) New Mex. St, Liberty, UConn - not likely for CUSA just downgraded, UMass - not likely, Army - not ever, likes Indy, James Madison - MAY be the Key to CUSA Survival

= 62 Total - G4 + CUSA + Small Indy

To get to 8 teams for survival CUSA must add NMST, Liberty, and James Madison, or convince another FCS to move up to FBS. As for the MWC, no G4 team that adds value except to steal a couple of teams from the AAC.

Post by **aggies22** » October 25th, 2021, 6:32 am

New Mexico State to Conference USA.

Agzrule · Post by **Agzrule** » October 25th, 2021, 9:39 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 6:32 am
New Mexico State to Conference USA.

I am glad for them, we will see if that conference survives this? If conference USA does fold does that benefit the MWC in any way?

Post by **GeoAg** » October 25th, 2021, 9:48 am

Agzrule wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 9:39 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 6:32 am
New Mexico State to Conference USA.
I am glad for them, we will see if that conference survives this? If conference USA does fold does that benefit the MWC in any way?

No benefit IMO. We wouldn't want any of those teams and it puts FBS programs at risk that can help fill out schedules, bowls, and a potential backlog of future adds to the conference if we ever get in survival mode

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » October 25th, 2021, 9:59 am

NMSU to conf we received usa really puts a damper on the whole WAC fbs resurgence. Which is kinda a shame.

Though I don't think it would have actually happened anyway.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » October 25th, 2021, 10:12 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 9:59 am
NMSU to conf we received usa really puts a damper on the whole WAC fbs resurgence. Which is kinda a shame.

Though I don't think it would have actually happened anyway.

It'll be fine as an FCS conference. The NewMags didn't want to drop down anyway, and I for one am proud they're sticking to their guns.

Post by **aggies22** » October 25th, 2021, 10:21 am

Agzrule wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 9:39 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 6:32 am
New Mexico State to Conference USA.
I am glad for them, we will see if that conference survives this? If conference USA does fold does that benefit the MWC in any way?

I don't believe so. None of their schools would add any value to the Mountain West.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » October 25th, 2021, 10:51 am

This is not a great but also not a terrible conference lineup for CUSA, and with 8 schools, they don't have a problem getting recognized by the NCAA:

Florida International
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
New Mexico State
Old Dominion
UTEP
Western Kentucky

They should all be able to get sufficient FBA OOC games to fill up 4 slots each, with single FCS games to fill up the final slots.

There's also Liberty to think about. Marshall and Old Dominion aren't very far away. Neither are WKU and MTSU. It might make sense for them rather than independence, and all-sports would absolutely work.

72AgGrad · Post by **72AgGrad** » October 25th, 2021, 11:00 am

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 23rd, 2021, 3:59 pm

Aggie84025 wrote: ↑
October 23rd, 2021, 3:46 pm
I would not mind at all if in the future Hartwell scheduled a home/home with Southern Miss.
We played Southern Miss home and away back in the day, I think they kicked our can both times.

Actually, we won the game in Logan, though it was a nail biter.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » October 25th, 2021, 11:03 am

USU78 wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 10:51 am
This is not a great but also not a terrible conference lineup for CUSA, and with 8 schools, they don't have a problem getting recognized by the NCAA:

Florida International
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
New Mexico State
Old Dominion
UTEP
Western Kentucky

They should all be able to get sufficient FBA OOC games to fill up 4 slots each, with single FCS games to fill up the final slots.

There's also Liberty to think about. Marshall and Old Dominion aren't very far away. Neither are WKU and MTSU. It might make sense for them rather than independence, and all-sports would absolutely work.

This is assuming that the SBC doesn’t make further moves, which I think they will

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » October 25th, 2021, 11:06 am

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 11:03 am

USU78 wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 10:51 am
This is not a great but also not a terrible conference lineup for CUSA, and with 8 schools, they don't have a problem getting recognized by the NCAA:

Florida International
Louisiana Tech
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
New Mexico State
Old Dominion
UTEP
Western Kentucky

They should all be able to get sufficient FBA OOC games to fill up 4 slots each, with single FCS games to fill up the final slots.

There's also Liberty to think about. Marshall and Old Dominion aren't very far away. Neither are WKU and MTSU. It might make sense for them rather than independence, and all-sports would absolutely work.
This is assuming that the SBC doesn’t make further moves, which I think they will

I think CUSA goes after Liberty whether they lose more or not. 9 football schools is better than 8.

OrangeCountyAggie · Post by **OrangeCountyAggie** » October 25th, 2021, 11:09 am

The problem is when the BIG 12 adds 2 more schools, say Memphis and USU (dream scenario), Air Force, Bosie, or whomever in a few years, more shifting will occur, resulting in Conf USA losing 2 more schools. That might be the death nail.

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » October 25th, 2021, 11:16 am

I must have missed it, where are Old Dominion and Marshall going? Wikipedia says they're leaving CUSA.

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » October 25th, 2021, 12:13 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 11:16 am
I must have missed it, where are Old Dominion and Marshall going? Wikipedia says they're leaving CUSA.

Sun Belt Conference.

calaggie · Post by **calaggie** » October 25th, 2021, 12:29 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 6:32 am
New Mexico State to Conference USA.

Has this been announced? I can’t find it anywhere.

Post by **aggies22** » October 25th, 2021, 12:30 pm

calaggie wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 12:29 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 6:32 am
New Mexico State to Conference USA.
Has this been announced? I can’t find it anywhere.

You won't find it anywhere.......yet.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » October 25th, 2021, 12:30 pm

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 11:16 am
I must have missed it, where are Old Dominion and Marshall going? Wikipedia says they're leaving CUSA.

Marshall ti sun belt

NowhereLandAggie · Post by **NowhereLandAggie** » October 25th, 2021, 12:35 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 12:30 pm

calaggie wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 12:29 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 6:32 am
New Mexico State to Conference USA.
Has this been announced? I can’t find it anywhere.
You won't find it anywhere.......yet.

There really is no other choice, nor can UTEP try to one up NMSU. They will be members if the conference wants to survive.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » October 25th, 2021, 3:03 pm

Old Dominion, James Madison, Marshall to the SBC… CUSA is DOA

Post by **aggies22** » October 25th, 2021, 3:07 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 3:03 pm
Old Dominion, James Madison, Marshall to the SBC… CUSA is DOA

Maybe the WAC should pick up the scraps.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » October 25th, 2021, 3:13 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 3:07 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 3:03 pm
Old Dominion, James Madison, Marshall to the SBC… CUSA is DOA
Maybe the WAC should pick up the scraps.

CUSA has a better brand, they’ll invite just enough schools to stave off extinction, plus they’ll have $3 million from each departing school (CUSA’s buy out). It’s actually the WAC that’s finally killing by expansion.

Aggieiester · Post by **Aggieiester** » October 25th, 2021, 3:16 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 10:57 pm

Agzrule wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 9:42 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 8:37 pm
I feel bad for UTEP and the New Mags, but not bad enough to invite them to join the MWC. UTEPs best option will be to rejoin the WAC and have them along with the new mags work a scheduling alliance with the MWC and go Indy for FB. I don’t see how Conf USA will stay together after the SBC raids them. Who’s left after the raids from the AAC and the SBC? Texas State and UTEP? Who else? Doesn’t look good
UTEP
FIU
WKU
MTSU
LA TECH
Those schools will be invited to the Sun Belt this week... if the SBC was smart they'd invite UTEP too since they already have two Texas schools.

I'm not so sure about La Tech, there is some interesting politics between La Tech, La Monroe and Louisiana. The possibility of a snub to La Tech to the Sunbelt is real.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » October 25th, 2021, 3:23 pm

Aggieiester wrote: ↑
October 25th, 2021, 3:16 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 10:57 pm

Agzrule wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 9:42 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
October 24th, 2021, 8:37 pm
I feel bad for UTEP and the New Mags, but not bad enough to invite them to join the MWC. UTEPs best option will be to rejoin the WAC and have them along with the new mags work a scheduling alliance with the MWC and go Indy for FB. I don’t see how Conf USA will stay together after the SBC raids them. Who’s left after the raids from the AAC and the SBC? Texas State and UTEP? Who else? Doesn’t look good
UTEP
FIU
WKU
MTSU
LA TECH
Those schools will be invited to the Sun Belt this week... if the SBC was smart they'd invite UTEP too since they already have two Texas schools.
I'm not so sure about La Tech, there is some interesting politics between La Tech, La Monroe and Louisiana. The possibility of a snub to La Tech to the Sunbelt is real.

Yea looking that way

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