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Scotty and Hans Yesterday
I know most here don't listen to their show, but I caught their first hour yesterday on my podcast listening last night. Couple of interesting comments:
- They talked about members of the staff getting poached this year (expected)
- mentioned USUs success in the portal is noticed and other teams are looking for people that have shown the ability to identify talent in the portal, makes our coaches targets
- not sure if he meant anything, but Hans referred to "whomever the next defensive coordinator is..."
- Hans said USU is getting a reputation in the state as not really recruiting HS kids. (A bit alarming to me)
- They talked about members of the staff getting poached this year (expected)
- mentioned USUs success in the portal is noticed and other teams are looking for people that have shown the ability to identify talent in the portal, makes our coaches targets
- not sure if he meant anything, but Hans referred to "whomever the next defensive coordinator is..."
- Hans said USU is getting a reputation in the state as not really recruiting HS kids. (A bit alarming to me)
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Yeah, I have loved Banda, but I would be really surprised if he was back. A P5 team is going to poach him.Aggie19 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 8:06 amI know most here don't listen to their show, but I caught their first hour yesterday on my podcast listening last night. Couple of interesting comments:
- They talked about members of the staff getting poached this year (expected)
- mentioned USUs success in the portal is noticed and other teams are looking for people that have shown the ability to identify talent in the portal, makes our coaches targets
- not sure if he meant anything, but Hans referred to "whomever the next defensive coordinator is..."
- Hans said USU is getting a reputation in the state as not really recruiting HS kids. (A bit alarming to me)
Banda is probably getting swiped. I think Paremski gets a bigger paycheck somewhere else too. I think Tialavea gets poached for a bigger paycheck somewhere. (If that happens our recruiting is absolutely toast)
And to the last point, it’s clear the staff hasn’t made High School kids a priority this year around, and it’s a huge mistake. (It’s what staffs not worrying about being here long term do). Utah has a ton of talent, but to get the top kids here you need to have relationships with HS Coaches/Offseason Trainers, and the Rep that you won’t recruit has kids, especially in state isn’t a good thing
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
Good info, thanks!
Agree with what has been said. When previous staffs declined to aggressively recruit in state it is a sign they want out and need to leave with a quick fix season. Not going to be surprised if we see a wholesale change shortly after or even before the Bowl Game.
Feels like the John L. Smith and Gary v.1 time of year again.
Agree with what has been said. When previous staffs declined to aggressively recruit in state it is a sign they want out and need to leave with a quick fix season. Not going to be surprised if we see a wholesale change shortly after or even before the Bowl Game.
Feels like the John L. Smith and Gary v.1 time of year again.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
Our state of Utah has good and improving prep talent, just not enough to go around. From this limited base we, like the other schools to our south, go outside the state for exceptional players. No quarrel with the outstanding players in this state, yet again, just not enough of them now, nor the numbers available to be developed like we historically have at USU.
The portal is the poison that is open to roll the dice in, and at the same time, the poison many players drink from.
The portal is the poison that is open to roll the dice in, and at the same time, the poison many players drink from.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
What I've heard from a coach at one of our local high schools is Weber does a better job recruiting in state than USU at this point. He echoed that he rarely sees or hears anything from USU anymore. Probably an exaggeration. But man, we have had some really good in state talent over the years. (Obviously Legas, but also folks like the Vigil Brothers, etc. many O and D lineman.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
Add in the extraordinary amount of JC offers we have out there and it's pretty clear the staff is pushing their chips to the center of the table.BigBlueAggie wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:01 amGood info, thanks!
Agree with what has been said. When previous staffs declined to aggressively recruit in state it is a sign they want out and need to leave with a quick fix season. Not going to be surprised if we see a wholesale change shortly after or even before the Bowl Game.
Feels like the John L. Smith and Gary v.1 time of year again.
It sucks for USU as we will start the cycle again, but it is what it is. New administration coming in, you can't really blame them for wanting to create the team now to get them up and out of here.
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Not an Exaggeration. We’re losing a lot of kids that may not be highly touted In state, that would’ve developed into impact guys, like the vigils, Dax Raymond’s, etc. because we aren’t getting out to all the schools. Blake said he was going to do it. He walked into Corner Canyon, realized he had no shot at the top end guys and just stopped recruiting in the state lol. Weber had some dudes that would be really really good at our level, that a coach willing to recruit in the state would’ve gotten.BigBlueAggie wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:10 amWhat I've heard from a coach at one of our local high schools is Weber does a better job recruiting in state than USU at this point. He echoed that he rarely sees or hears anything from USU anymore. Probably an exaggeration. But man, we have had some really good in state talent over the years. (Obviously Legas, but also folks like the Vigil Brothers, etc. many O and D lineman.
There is enough Talent here in the state of Utah to at least have a good recruiting base. We just can’t afford to lose it to other MWC teams and Hugh end FCS programs. That wouldn’t happen if the staff made an effort.
Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
Not sure I buy the no high school recruiting. If you look at our current commits, 5 are from JC and 5 are from High school. Offensive offers: 20 high school, 16 JC/Transfer portal
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The Stanford coach just quit and although he's not saying it publicly, mediots here say that the reason he's leaving is because Stanford can't (or doesn't want to) compete with the other 12-PAC teams in the portal. Example, USC brought in 26 players from the portal this year.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
It's Stanford. They want high quality recruits mainly from pricey private religious schools (I know this to be true). Just look at their roster and where many of their players are from. You'll notice a lot of kids from HS that start with "Saint" or some Latin word proceeded by the word "Dei" next to their names.El Sapo wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:43 amThe Stanford coach just quit and although he's not saying it publicly, mediots here say that the reason he's leaving is because Stanford can't (or doesn't want to) compete with the other 12-PAC teams in the portal. Example, USC brought in 26 players from the portal this year.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
The issue we had leading into this recruiting cycle is we only had 13 or so players that were guaranteed to be leaving after the season. That means there were only 13 spots that needed to be filled. A number that low severely limits your ability to recruit. Will we have more? Of course we'll have more BUT you can only recruit to the number that you KNOW you have at the moment.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
Not sure on the timing, perhaps 22 can shed more light, but as I remember it, the recent offers have mostly been JC. Just on the offensive/ athlete offers we currently have out (not including commits), haven't looked at defense, it breaks down this way:
In State HS Offers - 5
Out of State HS Offers - 17
JC Offers - 13
UPDATE:
Defense has the below current offers out:
In State - 5
Out of State - 18
JC - 13
Perhaps this lines up to previous years, but it seems light on in State offers
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Covid season bubble?aggies22 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:50 amThe issue we had leading into this recruiting cycle is we only had 13 or so players that were guaranteed to be leaving after the season. That means there were only 13 spots that needed to be filled. A number that low severely limits your ability to recruit. Will we have more? Of course we'll have more BUT you can only recruit to the number that you KNOW you have at the moment.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
As it stands RIGHT NOW, we'll have 18 scholarship seniors next year.El Sapo wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:54 amCovid season bubble?aggies22 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:50 amThe issue we had leading into this recruiting cycle is we only had 13 or so players that were guaranteed to be leaving after the season. That means there were only 13 spots that needed to be filled. A number that low severely limits your ability to recruit. Will we have more? Of course we'll have more BUT you can only recruit to the number that you KNOW you have at the moment.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
It seems like there are generally 30-35 D1 football athletes per year in the state of Utah. Probably 5-8 go out of state, 10-15 to BYU, 10ish to Utah and maybe 5-7 to USU. I certainly want the program to focus on Utah but I don't think we can expect to get more than 8ish scholarship players per year out of Utah.
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247 has about 50-60 FBS D1 players for 2022. That’s a good year for the state, but I would expect a good number is In The 40-50 range. Utah only lands usually around 5. They recruit heavily out of state now. BYU gets most. There are a lot of high end players leaving, but the rest of the guys should be coming to Logan if there is spots. Most years there are. I guess 2023 there isn’t due to Covid years but still, Utah has plenty of talent.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:59 amIt seems like there are generally 30-35 D1 football athletes per year in the state of Utah. Probably 5-8 go out of state, 10-15 to BYU, 10ish to Utah and maybe 5-7 to USU. I certainly want the program to focus on Utah but I don't think we can expect to get more than 8ish scholarship players per year out of Utah.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
I just listened to it. Hans made it sound a lot worse than I felt your original post seemed to me.
That being said, Scotty had a good defense, that the state of Utah, USU is seen as a worst case scenario for a lot of In-State kids, so why waste time when the second BYU or Utah Offers, they’re gone. Also they have had teams like Washington State and Oregon State swoop in after we have offered so it makes In State-Utah recruiting very difficult.
I still wish the staff would get out there and and still have a presence, invite kids to camps, and have a presence so kids stop thinking of us as a west case scenario landing spot.
Hans made a point about a kid that played for Lehi, Safety(we just offered) but didn’t have an offer until the state title game, Weber State and Jay Hill offered, then Colorado State, then Us. Having friends go through recruiting process, I know it leaves sour taste in mouths if you wait until others offer first, like in this situation. My close friend was in this situation. He held an offer from Snow is Sr Year, then Weber offered, a week after he started getting calls from Utah, BYU, Utah State, he stayed committed to Weber. The snow College coach was pissed he was settling at Weber, so the coach sent his film around while he was on his mission to teams on the west coast, ASU, Boise State, Utah, BYU and Arizona all offered him a scholarship while he was on his mission. (Yes, recruiting happens while kids are on missions even if they’re “committed”) and he stayed With Weber State.
I think the correct approach is offer, build relationships, if a bigger school poaches then live with it and keep going. Better to have relationships and lose kids, who may end up back via transfer portal, then have no relationships at all.
That being said, Scotty had a good defense, that the state of Utah, USU is seen as a worst case scenario for a lot of In-State kids, so why waste time when the second BYU or Utah Offers, they’re gone. Also they have had teams like Washington State and Oregon State swoop in after we have offered so it makes In State-Utah recruiting very difficult.
I still wish the staff would get out there and and still have a presence, invite kids to camps, and have a presence so kids stop thinking of us as a west case scenario landing spot.
Hans made a point about a kid that played for Lehi, Safety(we just offered) but didn’t have an offer until the state title game, Weber State and Jay Hill offered, then Colorado State, then Us. Having friends go through recruiting process, I know it leaves sour taste in mouths if you wait until others offer first, like in this situation. My close friend was in this situation. He held an offer from Snow is Sr Year, then Weber offered, a week after he started getting calls from Utah, BYU, Utah State, he stayed committed to Weber. The snow College coach was pissed he was settling at Weber, so the coach sent his film around while he was on his mission to teams on the west coast, ASU, Boise State, Utah, BYU and Arizona all offered him a scholarship while he was on his mission. (Yes, recruiting happens while kids are on missions even if they’re “committed”) and he stayed With Weber State.
I think the correct approach is offer, build relationships, if a bigger school poaches then live with it and keep going. Better to have relationships and lose kids, who may end up back via transfer portal, then have no relationships at all.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
Hans might be right on this but in general his takes and sources on anything other than basic blocking and tackling are usually way off base IMO.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
I am concerned with the approach of recruiting all these jc guys.
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I agree, but he has a Son in the 5A state championship team. He’s pretty well connected with the ones you need to know for recruiting in Utah County. If he’s hearing that it’s probably somewhat accurate. Whether it’s really Blake and Staffs fault or not
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
I'm willing to let it ride. I'll never be ok with just ceding the stat to utah and byu. I am willing to see how this recruiting goes. With the number of players in the portal now, I think that the JC ranks are under-valued compared to what they were just a few years ago and some very good players could be available there that got picked up at a high level in the past. We'll see how it goes.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
ybu and Utah rarely get the top tier talent in Utah anyway. The majority of the time those players leave for other schools, just look at Noah Sewell, Jaxson Dart, Osa Masina to name a few. I get that USU needs to have a presence in Utah recruiting, but I'm not that concerned that Weber St. is in more kids faces than USU. USU needs MWC talent not Big Sky talent. Naturally there will be more kids in Utah fitting into the Big Sky talent pool than fit in the MWC talent pool that USU should be recruiting too. Keep in mind that the population in Utah is very small relative to other areas of the country especially when you try to fill 3 FBS schools rosters....it won't happen. Thus, USU must look elsewhere to fill the roster with players who can compete at an acceptable level.AggieGrad2021 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 12:20 pm247 has about 50-60 FBS D1 players for 2022. That’s a good year for the state, but I would expect a good number is In The 40-50 range. Utah only lands usually around 5. They recruit heavily out of state now. BYU gets most. There are a lot of high end players leaving, but the rest of the guys should be coming to Logan if there is spots. Most years there are. I guess 2023 there isn’t due to Covid years but still, Utah has plenty of talent.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:59 amIt seems like there are generally 30-35 D1 football athletes per year in the state of Utah. Probably 5-8 go out of state, 10-15 to BYU, 10ish to Utah and maybe 5-7 to USU. I certainly want the program to focus on Utah but I don't think we can expect to get more than 8ish scholarship players per year out of Utah.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
Personally, I think much of the USU success the past two years is due to our assistant coaches more than the head coach.
Worse case scenario is we lose a bunch of the assistant coaches and Anderson can't bottle the lightning with the new hires.
Worse case scenario is we lose a bunch of the assistant coaches and Anderson can't bottle the lightning with the new hires.
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You’re right, but proportionate to population size, I’d argue Utah is one of the best states for producing D1 talent.Slim80 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 3:20 pmybu and Utah rarely get the top tier talent in Utah anyway. The majority of the time those players leave for other schools, just look at Noah Sewell, Jaxson Dart, Osa Masina to name a few. I get that USU needs to have a presence in Utah recruiting, but I'm not that concerned that Weber St. is in more kids faces than USU. USU needs MWC talent not Big Sky talent. Naturally there will be more kids in Utah fitting into the Big Sky talent pool than fit in the MWC talent pool that USU should be recruiting too. Keep in mind that the population in Utah is very small relative to other areas of the country especially when you try to fill 3 FBS schools rosters....it won't happen. Thus, USU must look elsewhere to fill the roster with players who can compete at an acceptable level.AggieGrad2021 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 12:20 pm247 has about 50-60 FBS D1 players for 2022. That’s a good year for the state, but I would expect a good number is In The 40-50 range. Utah only lands usually around 5. They recruit heavily out of state now. BYU gets most. There are a lot of high end players leaving, but the rest of the guys should be coming to Logan if there is spots. Most years there are. I guess 2023 there isn’t due to Covid years but still, Utah has plenty of talent.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:59 amIt seems like there are generally 30-35 D1 football athletes per year in the state of Utah. Probably 5-8 go out of state, 10-15 to BYU, 10ish to Utah and maybe 5-7 to USU. I certainly want the program to focus on Utah but I don't think we can expect to get more than 8ish scholarship players per year out of Utah.
There also are a lot of guys that end up at Weber that are too good for the FCS level, that would be impact guys in Logan. We used to not miss on those guys.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
I think once the Covid years settle things will get back to normal with recruiting hs. It just seems to me many people are moving around because of covid log jams the past few years
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Agreed. Some of the best players we've had recently have been from Florida, Texas and California. byu can have all the slow Utah County kids they want.Slim80 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 3:20 pmybu and Utah rarely get the top tier talent in Utah anyway. The majority of the time those players leave for other schools, just look at Noah Sewell, Jaxson Dart, Osa Masina to name a few. I get that USU needs to have a presence in Utah recruiting, but I'm not that concerned that Weber St. is in more kids faces than USU. USU needs MWC talent not Big Sky talent. Naturally there will be more kids in Utah fitting into the Big Sky talent pool than fit in the MWC talent pool that USU should be recruiting too. Keep in mind that the population in Utah is very small relative to other areas of the country especially when you try to fill 3 FBS schools rosters....it won't happen. Thus, USU must look elsewhere to fill the roster with players who can compete at an acceptable level.AggieGrad2021 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 12:20 pm247 has about 50-60 FBS D1 players for 2022. That’s a good year for the state, but I would expect a good number is In The 40-50 range. Utah only lands usually around 5. They recruit heavily out of state now. BYU gets most. There are a lot of high end players leaving, but the rest of the guys should be coming to Logan if there is spots. Most years there are. I guess 2023 there isn’t due to Covid years but still, Utah has plenty of talent.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:59 amIt seems like there are generally 30-35 D1 football athletes per year in the state of Utah. Probably 5-8 go out of state, 10-15 to BYU, 10ish to Utah and maybe 5-7 to USU. I certainly want the program to focus on Utah but I don't think we can expect to get more than 8ish scholarship players per year out of Utah.
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And continue to beat us with them.OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 6:11 pmAgreed. Some of the best players we've had recently have been from Florida, Texas and California. byu can have all the slow Utah County kids they want.Slim80 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 3:20 pmybu and Utah rarely get the top tier talent in Utah anyway. The majority of the time those players leave for other schools, just look at Noah Sewell, Jaxson Dart, Osa Masina to name a few. I get that USU needs to have a presence in Utah recruiting, but I'm not that concerned that Weber St. is in more kids faces than USU. USU needs MWC talent not Big Sky talent. Naturally there will be more kids in Utah fitting into the Big Sky talent pool than fit in the MWC talent pool that USU should be recruiting too. Keep in mind that the population in Utah is very small relative to other areas of the country especially when you try to fill 3 FBS schools rosters....it won't happen. Thus, USU must look elsewhere to fill the roster with players who can compete at an acceptable level.AggieGrad2021 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 12:20 pm247 has about 50-60 FBS D1 players for 2022. That’s a good year for the state, but I would expect a good number is In The 40-50 range. Utah only lands usually around 5. They recruit heavily out of state now. BYU gets most. There are a lot of high end players leaving, but the rest of the guys should be coming to Logan if there is spots. Most years there are. I guess 2023 there isn’t due to Covid years but still, Utah has plenty of talent.Aggie84025 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 10:59 amIt seems like there are generally 30-35 D1 football athletes per year in the state of Utah. Probably 5-8 go out of state, 10-15 to BYU, 10ish to Utah and maybe 5-7 to USU. I certainly want the program to focus on Utah but I don't think we can expect to get more than 8ish scholarship players per year out of Utah.
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I think he wants to hold of for a head coaching job. Not sure if he’s ready yet but that is exactly what he wants. Maybe in order to do that he needs to go back to P5??AggieGrad2021 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 8:46 amYeah, I have loved Banda, but I would be really surprised if he was back. A P5 team is going to poach him.Aggie19 wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 8:06 amI know most here don't listen to their show, but I caught their first hour yesterday on my podcast listening last night. Couple of interesting comments:
- They talked about members of the staff getting poached this year (expected)
- mentioned USUs success in the portal is noticed and other teams are looking for people that have shown the ability to identify talent in the portal, makes our coaches targets
- not sure if he meant anything, but Hans referred to "whomever the next defensive coordinator is..."
- Hans said USU is getting a reputation in the state as not really recruiting HS kids. (A bit alarming to me)
Banda is probably getting swiped. I think Paremski gets a bigger paycheck somewhere else too. I think Tialavea gets poached for a bigger paycheck somewhere. (If that happens our recruiting is absolutely toast)
And to the last point, it’s clear the staff hasn’t made High School kids a priority this year around, and it’s a huge mistake. (It’s what staffs not worrying about being here long term do). Utah has a ton of talent, but to get the top kids here you need to have relationships with HS Coaches/Offseason Trainers, and the Rep that you won’t recruit has kids, especially in state isn’t a good thing
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I think all of the local teams are going to regret losing out on Jackson Brosseau
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The coaches know that they need to win now...and they have experience gaps they need to fill, so the JC and Transfer Portal kids help do that...it's a dance they need to do between JC/Portal kids and high school kids. Made even tougher by the limited number of scholarships available, per Aggies22.GeoAg wrote: ↑November 30th, 2022, 3:09 pmI'm willing to let it ride. I'll never be ok with just ceding the stat to utah and byu. I am willing to see how this recruiting goes. With the number of players in the portal now, I think that the JC ranks are under-valued compared to what they were just a few years ago and some very good players could be available there that got picked up at a high level in the past. We'll see how it goes.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
There are actually 4 high school commits from Utah.
Zion Andreason from East
McCae Hillstead from Skyridge
Will Monney from Springville
Jackson Olsen from Ridgline
Also, Independence JuCo commit Maka Tu'akoi played at East.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
Of course I get my info from your site. I was just eyeballing it though and must have skipped over one. Thanks for correcting me. The Point is, we are recruiting the state.aggies22 wrote: ↑December 1st, 2022, 10:24 amThere are actually 4 high school commits from Utah.
Zion Andreason from East
McCae Hillstead from Skyridge
Will Monney from Springville
Jackson Olsen from Ridgline
Also, Independence JuCo commit Maka Tu'akoi played at East.
If you are getting your numbers from 247sports don't. Get actual up-to-date Aggie-related recruiting info here Bigblueusuaggienews.com.
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Re: Scotty and Hans Yesterday
I appreciate you checking out my site my Aggie brother! My comment was a little tongue-in-cheek with a shameless plug mixed in.LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑December 1st, 2022, 11:04 amOf course I get my info from your site. I was just eyeballing it though and must have skipped over one. Thanks for correcting me. The Point is, we are recruiting the state.aggies22 wrote: ↑December 1st, 2022, 10:24 amThere are actually 4 high school commits from Utah.
Zion Andreason from East
McCae Hillstead from Skyridge
Will Monney from Springville
Jackson Olsen from Ridgline
Also, Independence JuCo commit Maka Tu'akoi played at East.
If you are getting your numbers from 247sports don't. Get actual up-to-date Aggie-related recruiting info here Bigblueusuaggienews.com.