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Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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Maybe it has something to do with having to watch a depressing team, whose forte is giving away games at the end, followed by not hitting free throws, and having a lot of fun turning the ball over. It is a hopeless feeling sitting watching a game that you know darn well that we are going to give away going down the stretch.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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Maybe next year.
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It's been this way for years, even when the student section was at full strength. It's even worse when you go to the conference tournament and see how our GA crowd behaves compared to other schools' fans. It's embarrassing.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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I get that. No one understands that more than me. But when your student section is telling everyone to stand up ONCE in crunch time, it should happen. I'm not asking for an every possession thing. Literally just one time stand up and let's get a real 6th man going in crunch time.mcaggie1 wrote:Maybe it has something to do with having to watch a depressing team, whose forte is giving away games at the end, followed by not hitting free throws, and having a lot of fun turning the ball over. It is a hopeless feeling sitting watching a game that you know darn well that we are going to give away going down the stretch.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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That being said, I do appreciate anyone who has spent time and money watching this frustrating team this year.aggieguy13 wrote:It's been this way for years, even when the student section was at full strength. It's even worse when you go to the conference tournament and see how our GA crowd behaves compared to other schools' fans. It's embarrassing.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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It's so hard to see and embarrassing to be a part of. I'm alumni now as of December and as I transition to GA/season tickets, I'm going to be up and cheering all the time and I don't care if anyone around me is doing the same.aggieguy13 wrote:It's been this way for years, even when the student section was at full strength. It's even worse when you go to the conference tournament and see how our GA crowd behaves compared to other schools' fans. It's embarrassing.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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Agreed! I'm just venting something that's kind of obvious that I haven't seen really be talked about on the forum at all.aggieguy13 wrote:That being said, I do appreciate anyone who has spent time and money watching this frustrating team this year.aggieguy13 wrote:It's been this way for years, even when the student section was at full strength. It's even worse when you go to the conference tournament and see how our GA crowd behaves compared to other schools' fans. It's embarrassing.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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I back you up on that 10000000% as well. That's an entirely different (and even maybe a bigger) issue in itself.ProvoAggie wrote:There are students here?
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I used to feel this way when I was a student. Now I'm not a student and I don't want to stand up - and I also don't care that it makes students mad that I don't want to stand up.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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As BrendanAggie93 is now brownjeans once was. As brownjeans is now, BrendanAggie93 may become!brownjeans wrote:I used to feel this way when I was a student. Now I'm not a student and I don't want to stand up - and I also don't care that it makes students mad that I don't want to stand up.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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What do you consider GA? Guys that pay $4-12000 per year for donation and prime seats. Understand most of that goes to student scholarships. Can you add in your head or use a calculator like most kids at any business cannot do so?
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This is exactly the problem. I've gone to home games at the other big two universities in the state and even some of the smaller schools and I can honestly say that every one of their GA/season ticket holder crowd was way more involved than ours is. So it's hard for me to buy the whole "it's human nature" deal. They stand and sing their fight song (an Aggie could only dream of a crowd doing that) and they get into it when the game is coming down to the wire. But, for whatever reason, not us.brownjeans wrote:I used to feel this way when I was a student. Now I'm not a student and I don't want to stand up - and I also don't care that it makes students mad that I don't want to stand up.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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Money shouldn't matter in this argument. Good try though, Buck. Look at other fan bases with more or hell, even less cash flowing through their organizations. Not one is lazier than our general GA spectators.buckfever wrote:What do you consider GA? Guys that pay $4-12000 per year for donation and prime seats. Understand most of that goes to student scholarships. Can you add in your head or use a calculator like most kids at any business cannot do so?
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I will ALWAYS stand and sing the fight song, and stand and cheer during crunch time. Mark my words. I'm the one who's brought the flag to the student section for the last 5 years and no way in hell is that slowing down in the next 20+ years.aggiesdotcom wrote:As BrendanAggie93 is now brownjeans once was. As brownjeans is now, BrendanAggie93 may become!brownjeans wrote:I used to feel this way when I was a student. Now I'm not a student and I don't want to stand up - and I also don't care that it makes students mad that I don't want to stand up.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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GRANDMA BETTER GET HER (I can't express myself without swearing) IN GEARbuckfever wrote:Well. How about our 92 year old mother who stands and does the Scottsman wielding her cane?
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Been this way as long as I can remember. I don't understand it either. Virtually every other significant fan base I've ever encountered way outperforms ours. Our students have always been better than average even in the lean years of Tueller and Kohn Smith which is when I was in school. We would get to the Spectrum every game night at 5, sit in line all day for the UNLV games or instate games. Our numbers weren't as good and we didn't have many of the traditions yet but we were very vocal and supportive. The non-student sections never have been for whatever reason. I've never figured it out. Too reserved, too cool for crusty farmers, too conservative, too reliant on the students??? I don't know. Always been a source of frustration in both basketball and football.aggieguy13 wrote:It's been this way for years, even when the student section was at full strength. It's even worse when you go to the conference tournament and see how our GA crowd behaves compared to other schools' fans. It's embarrassing.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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Careful about being loud in the non-student areas. It might result in calls from the AD office to quiet down and then lead to a change in where your seats are reserved.
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I've had the opportunity to travel to most of the other MWC schools and I'll extend your observation to the rest of the conference as well (except SJSU, who doesn't have fans).BrendanAggie93 wrote:This is exactly the problem. I've gone to home games at the other big two universities in the state and even some of the smaller schools and I can honestly say that every one of their GA/season ticket holder crowd was way more involved than ours is. So it's hard for me to buy the whole "it's human nature" deal. They stand and sing their fight song (an Aggie could only dream of a crowd doing that) and they get into it when the game is coming down to the wire. But, for whatever reason, not us.brownjeans wrote:I used to feel this way when I was a student. Now I'm not a student and I don't want to stand up - and I also don't care that it makes students mad that I don't want to stand up.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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It's not the quality of the team. It's not that USU has the market cornered on old people who can't move. It's pure apathy and laziness on our end, as you observed. And it's even more frustrating when it's people who were once diehards in the student section, because you'd think they would know better.
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The complaint was received by the person with whom I sit in 2011. In 2012, we were moved from section X to section Bcoolag wrote:Please tell me this didn't happen to you?
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It's been discussed before but wouldn't it be fun if they carved out a section specific to those who like getting into the games? I wouldn't want to stand the entire game like I did as a student but, my goodness, you can't even stand on an important defensive stand or during a big run 2nd half without standing out like a sore thumb and looking the fool. Stew used to be the cheerleader at the biggest moment. As a fan, you shouldn't have to take your queue from a 6 foot 10 head coach. You should instinctively know when to get into it. Last year at the MWC tourney, I realized how weak our post student fan base is. WYO brought it. SDSU fans kicked our butts as far as involvement in chants, etc. Our fans don't even stand for the fight song anymore and barely even clap during the starting line up anymore.
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It's always been this way. Young families in the valley have to deal with kids, and older people aren't going to spend hours standing. People in front of elderly fans and young families don't want to block the game from the view of others. I went to 2 CAA games this year. Literally there were 10 fans standing, and they all looked to be the "I hang out with my RA" crowd.BrendanAggie93 wrote:Why is our GA so damn lazy? The students literally have to beg you to stand up when we have momentum and need an extra push and it NEVER happens. But oh, a t-shirt?? HELL YEAH LETS GO. So depressing.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself. I noticed the section across from the student section on the side was the best towards the end of the FS game but it tapered off after there. I don't want to dread being a season ticket holder because I'm going to get into the game no matter what, but It will have to be that way I guess. Props to those people who do stand up and stick out when no one else is. It doesn't go unnoticed by those of us who actually care!aggiesdotcom wrote:It's been discussed before but wouldn't it be fun if they carved out a section specific to those who like getting into the games? I wouldn't want to stand the entire game like I did as a student but, my goodness, you can't even stand on an important defensive stand or during a big run 2nd half without standing out like a sore thumb and looking the fool. Stew used to be the cheerleader at the biggest moment. As a fan, you shouldn't have to take your queue from a 6 foot 10 head coach. You should instinctively know when to get into it. Last year at the MWC tourney, I realized how weak our post student fan base is. WYO brought it. SDSU fans kicked our butts as far as involvement in chants, etc. Our fans don't even stand for the fight song anymore and barely even clap during the starting line up anymore.
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I will say that I do stand up when something exciting is happening. I also stand when someone in front of me stands. I've also seen people get really angry and rude to people who stand up - this is the thing that bothers me. If you don't want to stand, keep in your seat, I won't get up in your face, get angry, yell and be rude to you for sitting. When people stand, those sitting should show this same courtesy.
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Some great points in here! A winning team is definitely the biggest contributor I think. Sometimes I don't feel like the crowd deserves a winning team haha. Nonetheless, hopefully an open discussion about the issue like this can help and every bit of me hopes that we can get this team back to what it once was.ag4fr wrote:You probably would not believe me if I told you that there were Utah/BYU between 5 and 25 years ago where you could not talk to your friend sitting next to you because of the noise levels in the Spectrum.
I remember UNLV games from 25 years ago in the Spectrom when we weren't even very good and my ears would ring all night long after the game.
I remember even 10ish years ago, going to games in the Spectrum against Nevada where the noise levels were simply crushing and dizzying.
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1) I think we got a little spoiled and lazy as fans during the Stew years. There were really so few home games that we would ever not win that it almost felt like it made no difference whether the fans were engaged and vocal.
2) We are in a much better league. There are teams in the MWC that can crush our team, if we don't play at a high level for 40 minutes. And periodically, they do... I remember very few games in the BW or even WAC, where I felt like the opposition just had better players from top to bottom. We could and did win a lot of those games. I don't think our fans, especially the non-student fans are used to seeing us lose much and they don't invest much in a middle-of-the-pack team.
3) Society is different. A BBall game in the Spectrum used to be an "event" for citizens and students in Logan, UT. Today with all of the options for movies, cable TV, National P5 Conference games on TV, Streaming of almost any college game that is being played, etc., there are a lot students and citizens in Logan, that just never really invest in being die-hard Aggie Basketball fans. The stick with being fans of the school near their home or pro teams.
The only real answer for bringing the Spectrum back is to get back to winning a high percentage of home games and being a legit contender in the conference.
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Props to you for being a good fan! We need more minds like yours in those ugly seats.brownjeans wrote:I will say that I do stand up when something exciting is happening. I also stand when someone in front of me stands. I've also seen people get really angry and rude to people who stand up - this is the thing that bothers me. If you don't want to stand, keep in your seat, I won't get up in your face, get angry, yell and be rude to you for sitting. When people stand, those sitting should show this same courtesy.
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I didn't say that. I said that people should show respect for one another. The idea that standers take priority over sitters implies that standers can say, "piss off" to a sitter who politely asks the stander to sit. Neither the stander nor the sitter should be rude.ag4fr wrote:Totally agree. Those that stand and yell take priority over those that choose not to.
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A few years ago a guy from general admission seating came over and sat in the student section and then proceeded to tell all us students in that section to sit down. That's the kind of attitude we're dealing with here.
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I'll bite. Personally I don't think that it is fair to throw all GA ticket holders in the lazy boat. I think there are layers of commitment that everyone has wherever they sit. You look anywhere in the Spectrum and you get the uninterested wife there to support her husband or the first-game friend sitting on their phone and on the other hand you have the fan that can project louder then the speaker system screaming at the refs. I've seen them all in all sections at different times of the year. My personal opinion is that back in the Wild Bill era you had unity amongst enough of the Spectrum that you didn't really pick up on those who were casually attending. On the student side, one thing I LOVED about Wild Bill is that he had his moments to shine, but then would sit back down and become just as much of a fan as anyone else. I think there was a shift in attitude both on the court and in the stands where it became more important to be flashy and clever then it was to be loud and united. I may just be delusional but I swear the front row used to be more about leading the HURD then they were about yelling at the opposing team and getting on the camera. Take that energy and spread it throughout the student section. On the GA side, I think that these past couple seasons have weeded out the Aggie fans from the winning fans. I have a gentleman sitting three rows behind me who I have yet to hear anything positive come out of his mouth. Someone could slam the ball while on fire and he would just say, "too bad you don't do that all the time." We've been spoiled with our players for a LONG time. So many of them were lovable and we always had a clear leader to rally behind. Permit the fans a couple years of growing pains. Its fair to be concerned but to expect everyone to be immediately on the level of rabid fans and MW caliber play without some bumps and bruises seems a little much for me.
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Just go back and watch the Denver game a few years ago. Then you'll know where ALL* the noise in the Spectrum comes from.
*literally every last .00001 of a decibel.
*literally every last .00001 of a decibel.
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I get what you're saying about wanting to see everyone stand. But not standing doesn't mean we're not contributing to the chaos, and we are definitely not lazy. From my seat I can count on myself and those sitting 4 rows or more deep getting flipped off by the opposing team a couple of times each season, having the bench's heads on swivels all game long, calling each opposing player by their first name, pointing out their stats, even getting a cup of water thrown at me by a player. I don't stand all game out of courtesy for the couple sitting behind me with an infant in their lap.
Don't get mad at the people sitting. Get mad at the people who left empty seats, or the students who stand all game but their heads are down looking at their phones.
Hit me up next season if you want that experience.
Don't get mad at the people sitting. Get mad at the people who left empty seats, or the students who stand all game but their heads are down looking at their phones.
Hit me up next season if you want that experience.
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One of the saddest things I've experienced is when everyone does stand, people like my brother who is in a wheelchair, miss out on the most exciting parts of the game time and time again. I will not stand unless everyone else around me can.
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My view: I have no qualms whatsoever with people outside of the student section sitting. To assume that all can do so frequently and comfortably is most likely erroneous. As a result, I believe it's generally courteous to stand very little on that side during the game. I'd be VERY HAPPY for the AD to institute a "rowdies" section to accommodate those of us who'd like to stand. I'd LOVE to have everybody on the non-student side making what noise they can, at least for part of the game. At bare minimums, those who do make noise should NOT be shushed by those who choose not to make noise, and people who have tickets should do their best to ensure those tickets are used.