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Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by BleedAggieBlue0 » January 9th, 2019, 9:10 pm

Just wanted to say it again. Screw that guy.

We lost that game because we don’t have talent.


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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by ineptimusprime » January 9th, 2019, 9:15 pm

In all candor, Stew contributed by sticking around too long. We could have been done with the awful Tim Duryea phase years earlier.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by BleedAggieBlue0 » January 9th, 2019, 9:19 pm

ineptimusprime wrote:In all candor, Stew contributed by sticking around too long. We could have been done with the awful Tim Duryea phase years earlier.
Agreed


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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by JFWAggie » January 9th, 2019, 9:21 pm

poor coaching in my opinion by smith, Fresno had one player that beat us tonight, he was continually left wide open and when he did have the ball we never doubled him to force the ball out of his hands, and yes half our roster is big sky level right now, but they do play hard, i thought porter played a heck of a game, missed free throws and timely awful defense was the difference tonight.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by Aggiesbleedblue » January 9th, 2019, 9:22 pm

However many post touches Queta gets, double it. He was 6-6 tonight, should’ve had double the field goal attempts. They had no answer for him.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm

JFWAggie wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:21 pm
poor coaching in my opinion by smith, Fresno had one player that beat us tonight, he was continually left wide open and when he did have the ball we never doubled him to force the ball out of his hands, and yes half our roster is big sky level right now, but they do play hard, i thought porter played a heck of a game, missed free throws and timely awful defense was the difference tonight.
Damn, I mean, it seemed to me that we had a hand up on every three they shot from four feet behind the arc. Can't really double that far away from the basket... Huggins just got hot.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by newtonianblue » January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm

BleedAggieBlue0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:10 pm
Just wanted to say it again. Screw that guy.

We lost that game because we don’t have talent.


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Agree 100%, although I still like the fire I see from the team out there. And I see a lot of potential, just hoping coach can bring in right pieces to fill in.

Not only that though, as a result he also killed the Spectrum. That place was half empty at the tip for a good opponent. That’s what a few years of mediocrity will do to a once proud program.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by JFWAggie » January 9th, 2019, 9:25 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm
JFWAggie wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:21 pm
poor coaching in my opinion by smith, Fresno had one player that beat us tonight, he was continually left wide open and when he did have the ball we never doubled him to force the ball out of his hands, and yes half our roster is big sky level right now, but they do play hard, i thought porter played a heck of a game, missed free throws and timely awful defense was the difference tonight.
Damn, I mean, it seemed to me that we had a hand up on every three they shot from four feet behind the arc. Can't really double that far away from the basket... Huggins just got hot.
hmm... how is it merrill doesnt get any open looks, he is double teamed every single possession at the three point line?



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by brian5562 » January 9th, 2019, 9:26 pm

Agree feed the big fella. Also Brito shooting out of the offense but we can’t get something run for Miller who was shooting well.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » January 9th, 2019, 9:32 pm

Tough loss, but we are still ahead of schedule. Fresno State is the second best team in our conference. We still should have a good conference year.

As far as Duryea, blame Barnes not Duryea. Duryea was an obvious bad hire and everyone knew it yet the AD hired him anyway.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by MetsJetsAggies » January 9th, 2019, 9:34 pm

Lol, you guys let this guy just live in your head rent free 24/7 huh?
Top 50 team despite losing our 2nd best player from last season to transfer

We were doing great Stews last 3 years?

Smith couldn't get Koby to stay, had 5-6 open scholarships too.

Duryeas fault!!!!!



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by Old Timer » January 9th, 2019, 9:36 pm

Sad to see our associate athletic director, JANA DOGGETT, not cheer for the aggies once, but was yelling encouragement to the Fresno team.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by coolag » January 9th, 2019, 9:38 pm

kind of like how you let usublue rent some of that head space too?



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by MetsJetsAggies » January 9th, 2019, 9:39 pm

Totes.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by coolag » January 9th, 2019, 9:44 pm

Old Timer wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:36 pm
Sad to see our associate athletic director, JANA DOGGETT, not cheer for the aggies once, but was yelling encouragement to the Fresno team.
You serious Clark?



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by AGGZILLA » January 9th, 2019, 9:52 pm

ineptimusprime wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:15 pm
In all candor, Stew contributed by sticking around too long. We could have been done with the awful Tim Duryea phase years earlier.
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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by AggieSquared » January 9th, 2019, 10:00 pm

Dogget's husband is a Fresno assistant coach right?

I think we're off to a good start to revamping the program. It takes time to build a program and I think Smith is committed to doing so. I also think its about time to stop talking about the "good ole days" with Stew. The program died on the vine in his later years, but that's the past. If we pull a decent season the next few years hopefully the HURD will catch on and the magic will return...?



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by USUaggienation » January 9th, 2019, 10:50 pm

Ok, I guess after I laid out my counter-argument ... I guess I do agree with the original poster's conclusion that we don't have enough talent in the program to be where I want the Aggie team to be—back in the NCAA Tournament. However, we fired Duryea and moved on. We have to stop pointing the finger at him for everything at some point.

As far as what Stew left Duryea? How many Aggie coaches get to start a career with a core of Jalen Moore, David Collette and Chris Smith. In addition to the fact, he'd receive a future Aggie legend gift wrapped in the form of Sam Merrill. So no, I don't believe Stew left the program in the disrepair you guys keep stating.

I think Craig Smith gets the team to play hard and he seems to have shown some development ability so far (but too early to tell how much). However, it's clear we don't have the necessary talent at the 1, 3 or 4 positions. This offseason will be a real defining point for the Smith-era here at USU. Smith gets to prove himself as both a recruiter and a development specialist.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by QuackAttackAggie » January 9th, 2019, 10:56 pm

Old Timer wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:36 pm
Sad to see our associate athletic director, JANA DOGGETT, not cheer for the aggies once, but was yelling encouragement to the Fresno team.
that did not happen.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » January 9th, 2019, 11:07 pm

JFWAggie wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:25 pm
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm
JFWAggie wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:21 pm
poor coaching in my opinion by smith, Fresno had one player that beat us tonight, he was continually left wide open and when he did have the ball we never doubled him to force the ball out of his hands, and yes half our roster is big sky level right now, but they do play hard, i thought porter played a heck of a game, missed free throws and timely awful defense was the difference tonight.
Damn, I mean, it seemed to me that we had a hand up on every three they shot from four feet behind the arc. Can't really double that far away from the basket... Huggins just got hot.
hmm... how is it merrill doesnt get any open looks, he is double teamed every single possession at the three point line?
That's true. But I think part of that is Sam doesn't take a ton of shots from NBA range. Huggins didn't care. He was shooting it from all over. I think a few feet makes a big difference in how a play can break down if you're doubling out that, especially considering the athleticism of Fresno compared to us. They can get from point A to point B real quick on defense. USU doesn't have that luxury.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by gomretat » January 10th, 2019, 2:09 am

BleedAggieBlue0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:10 pm
Just wanted to say it again. Screw that guy.

We lost that game because we don’t have talent.


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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by treesap32 » January 10th, 2019, 7:52 am

Aggiesbleedblue wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:22 pm
However many post touches Queta gets, double it. He was 6-6 tonight, should’ve had double the field goal attempts. They had no answer for him.
Queta was 6-6 last night and 5-5 against Air Force. He's shooting the highest Field Goal Percentage of any Aggie player in the history of USU Basketball.

http://www.usustats.com/records/season/fgpercentage

He should MOST DEFINITELY be getting more looks.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by aggies22 » January 10th, 2019, 8:14 am

treesap32 wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 7:52 am
Aggiesbleedblue wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:22 pm
However many post touches Queta gets, double it. He was 6-6 tonight, should’ve had double the field goal attempts. They had no answer for him.
Queta was 6-6 last night and 5-5 against Air Force. He's shooting the highest Field Goal Percentage of any Aggie player in the history of USU Basketball.

http://www.usustats.com/records/season/fgpercentage

He should MOST DEFINITELY be getting more looks.
Why he doesn't get 12 to 15 shots a game is baffling to me. He posts up and it looks like the other players aren't really that interested in trying to feed him the ball.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by usubullzone » January 10th, 2019, 8:24 am

treesap32 wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 7:52 am
Aggiesbleedblue wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:22 pm
However many post touches Queta gets, double it. He was 6-6 tonight, should’ve had double the field goal attempts. They had no answer for him.
Queta was 6-6 last night and 5-5 against Air Force. He's shooting the highest Field Goal Percentage of any Aggie player in the history of USU Basketball.

http://www.usustats.com/records/season/fgpercentage

He should MOST DEFINITELY be getting more looks.
Not saying that Queta was a lot taller than mostly everyone last night and Saturday. But he was taller against some of the players he faced. He was also pushing them around in the post he could handle the pressure they were giving him.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by dogie » January 10th, 2019, 8:26 am

treesap32 wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 7:52 am
Aggiesbleedblue wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:22 pm
However many post touches Queta gets, double it. He was 6-6 tonight, should’ve had double the field goal attempts. They had no answer for him.
Queta was 6-6 last night and 5-5 against Air Force. He's shooting the highest Field Goal Percentage of any Aggie player in the history of USU Basketball.

http://www.usustats.com/records/season/fgpercentage

He should MOST DEFINITELY be getting more looks.
I get nervous every time he touches the ball down low because I am conditioned to expect an Aggie big to drop the ball out of bounds in that situation or maybe not even make the catch. But Queta just makes a move and scores, gets fouled or passes it out to a wide open teammate.

Queta’s three foot shots look a little easier than most players’ because they end up being a little finger rolls off the backboard.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by ChicAggie » January 10th, 2019, 8:27 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm
Damn, I mean, it seemed to me that we had a hand up on every three they shot from four feet behind the arc. Can't really double that far away from the basket... Huggins just got hot.
I think if you watch a highlight reel of all the made threes, at least half were virtually uncontested.


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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by USUBlue » January 10th, 2019, 9:12 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm
JFWAggie wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:21 pm
poor coaching in my opinion by smith, Fresno had one player that beat us tonight, he was continually left wide open and when he did have the ball we never doubled him to force the ball out of his hands, and yes half our roster is big sky level right now, but they do play hard, i thought porter played a heck of a game, missed free throws and timely awful defense was the difference tonight.
Damn, I mean, it seemed to me that we had a hand up on every three they shot from four feet behind the arc. Can't really double that far away from the basket... Huggins just got hot.
We are so much better on defense this year, especially on denying penetration and good help D. But we are not long enough or athletic enough to give 5 feet to a 3-pt shooter. Even with a hand up, it doesn't change that shooter's eyes or arch on his shot.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by mcaggie1 » January 10th, 2019, 10:16 am

JFWAggie wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:25 pm
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm
JFWAggie wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:21 pm
poor coaching in my opinion by smith, Fresno had one player that beat us tonight, he was continually left wide open and when he did have the ball we never doubled him to force the ball out of his hands, and yes half our roster is big sky level right now, but they do play hard, i thought porter played a heck of a game, missed free throws and timely awful defense was the difference tonight.
Damn, I mean, it seemed to me that we had a hand up on every three they shot from four feet behind the arc. Can't really double that far away from the basket... Huggins just got hot.
hmm... how is it merrill doesnt get any open looks, he is double teamed every single possession at the three point line?
Thank You. I have been screaming that point for the last two weeks. I really think there has to be plays that gets Sam open more often than he is. Our opponents number one strategy is to keep Merrill from having open shots whether it takes 2 or 3 to do it. That leaves guys open who can't shoot that well.
Last night, coming down the stretch when Fresno was within 2 or 3 points we had 3 critical possessions where Taylor, Brito and Porter (who had a good game....not a GREAT game by any stretch when you consider ball handling and defense), all were the ones taking the shots. I thought "your kidding me". Miller was hot, Queta was way hot, and Merrill was Merrill. Can't one of those be taking the shots, and the other 3 concentrate on defense and rebounding?



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by Aglicious » January 10th, 2019, 10:29 am

ChicAggie wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 8:27 am
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm
Damn, I mean, it seemed to me that we had a hand up on every three they shot from four feet behind the arc. Can't really double that far away from the basket... Huggins just got hot.
I think if you watch a highlight reel of all the made threes, at least half were virtually uncontested.
This is my impression as well. We have had some great defensive teams since 2000 but our 3PT defense is one thing that has always bothered me with our teams. We don't seem to have an understanding that 3PT shooting doesn't have to occur on the 3PT line. Lots of players are comfortable shooting a few feet to several feet behind the line now.

In a situation like last night, I agree with not fouling, but there has to emphasis placed on not allowing a 3PT shot- period. Not just getting a hand up or defending the 3PT line but actually guarding your man as tightly as possible as far out as they want to operate. If they go by you, so be it, that is what help defense is for and at some point we need to start understanding that Queta has established he owns the paint down there and has already intimidated them to the point they have changed the way they were attacking on offense.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by treesap32 » January 10th, 2019, 2:15 pm

Aglicious wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 10:29 am
ChicAggie wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 8:27 am
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm
Damn, I mean, it seemed to me that we had a hand up on every three they shot from four feet behind the arc. Can't really double that far away from the basket... Huggins just got hot.
I think if you watch a highlight reel of all the made threes, at least half were virtually uncontested.
This is my impression as well. We have had some great defensive teams since 2000 but our 3PT defense is one thing that has always bothered me with our teams. We don't seem to have an understanding that 3PT shooting doesn't have to occur on the 3PT line. Lots of players are comfortable shooting a few feet to several feet behind the line now.

In a situation like last night, I agree with not fouling, but there has to emphasis placed on not allowing a 3PT shot- period. Not just getting a hand up or defending the 3PT line but actually guarding your man as tightly as possible as far out as they want to operate. If they go by you, so be it, that is what help defense is for and at some point we need to start understanding that Queta has established he owns the paint down there and has already intimidated them to the point they have changed the way they were attacking on offense.
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Queta is an elite talent in the post. Let him protect it and let's increase our 3pt defense pressure.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by dyedblue » January 10th, 2019, 4:34 pm

mcaggie1 wrote:
JFWAggie wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:25 pm
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm
JFWAggie wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:21 pm
poor coaching in my opinion by smith, Fresno had one player that beat us tonight, he was continually left wide open and when he did have the ball we never doubled him to force the ball out of his hands, and yes half our roster is big sky level right now, but they do play hard, i thought porter played a heck of a game, missed free throws and timely awful defense was the difference tonight.
Damn, I mean, it seemed to me that we had a hand up on every three they shot from four feet behind the arc. Can't really double that far away from the basket... Huggins just got hot.
hmm... how is it merrill doesnt get any open looks, he is double teamed every single possession at the three point line?
Thank You. I have been screaming that point for the last two weeks. I really think there has to be plays that gets Sam open more often than he is. Our opponents number one strategy is to keep Merrill from having open shots whether it takes 2 or 3 to do it. That leaves guys open who can't shoot that well.
Last night, coming down the stretch when Fresno was within 2 or 3 points we had 3 critical possessions where Taylor, Brito and Porter (who had a good game....not a GREAT game by any stretch when you consider ball handling and defense), all were the ones taking the shots. I thought "your kidding me". Miller was hot, Queta was way hot, and Merrill was Merrill. Can't one of those be taking the shots, and the other 3 concentrate on defense and rebounding?
Yes, but Sam does not run around and use screens to get open. I love Sam, but watch the end of the game again. He gives the ball up, stands around, and then goes and gets the ball.

Guys like Carroll and Medlin ran their tails off away from the ball to get open. We can run plays and set screens, but Sam needs to move to take advantage of them.


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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » January 10th, 2019, 11:23 pm

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January 9th, 2019, 9:34 pm
Lol, you guys let this guy just live in your head rent free 24/7 huh?
Top 50 team despite losing our 2nd best player from last season to transfer

We were doing great Stews last 3 years?

Smith couldn't get Koby to stay, had 5-6 open scholarships too.

Duryeas fault!!!!!
Yeah we are a top 50 team with Craig Smith. Craig Smith is a great coach. No we were not doing great Stew's last 4 years, that is why it was dumb to hire his top assistant. There was no logical reason for that hire.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by MetsJetsAggies » January 11th, 2019, 12:40 am

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 11:23 pm
MetsJetsAggies wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:34 pm
Lol, you guys let this guy just live in your head rent free 24/7 huh?
Top 50 team despite losing our 2nd best player from last season to transfer

We were doing great Stews last 3 years?

Smith couldn't get Koby to stay, had 5-6 open scholarships too.

Duryeas fault!!!!!
Yeah we are a top 50 team with Craig Smith. Craig Smith is a great coach. No we were not doing great Stew's last 4 years, that is why it was dumb to hire his top assistant. There was no logical reason for that hire.
I agree Smith is a great coach.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by Usu0505 » January 11th, 2019, 8:13 am

Aglicious wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 10:29 am
ChicAggie wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 8:27 am
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
January 9th, 2019, 9:24 pm
Damn, I mean, it seemed to me that we had a hand up on every three they shot from four feet behind the arc. Can't really double that far away from the basket... Huggins just got hot.
I think if you watch a highlight reel of all the made threes, at least half were virtually uncontested.
This is my impression as well. We have had some great defensive teams since 2000 but our 3PT defense is one thing that has always bothered me with our teams. We don't seem to have an understanding that 3PT shooting doesn't have to occur on the 3PT line. Lots of players are comfortable shooting a few feet to several feet behind the line now.

In a situation like last night, I agree with not fouling, but there has to emphasis placed on not allowing a 3PT shot- period. Not just getting a hand up or defending the 3PT line but actually guarding your man as tightly as possible as far out as they want to operate. If they go by you, so be it, that is what help defense is for and at some point we need to start understanding that Queta has established he owns the paint down there and has already intimidated them to the point they have changed the way they were attacking on offense.
Agreed 100%. As i already stated maybe my original desire of fouling on purpose isnt the way to go only up two but i think you at least play such aggressive D that if they do call the foul then so be it. Obviously not on the shot only to not allow the shot to get off in the first place.

This one is remaining very hard to swallow. I hope we have a really good recruiting year because as is we just dont have the guys athletic enough to consistently beat the top teams. It always seems to be a bit of a struggle for us to hang with the better teams while looking somewhat effortless from them. Credit to our guys and coaches for playing their asses off and having the kind of year they are.



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Re: Tim Duryea Ruined The Aggies

Post by ChicAggie » January 11th, 2019, 1:38 pm

dyedblue wrote:
January 10th, 2019, 4:34 pm
Yes, but Sam does not run around and use screens to get open. I love Sam, but watch the end of the game again. He gives the ball up, stands around, and then goes and gets the ball.

Guys like Carroll and Medlin ran their tails off away from the ball to get open. We can run plays and set screens, but Sam needs to move to take advantage of them.
Anyone who wants to learn how to free themselves for three-point shots should watch video of Kyle Korver. Within the Jazz offense (far more than in the Cleveland offense), the guy is in constant motion. Running of picks and curls, cutting through traffic, and reversing direction to get himself open. I'm sure some/most of that is within the Jazz offense, but I also assume some of that is just him creating open shots WITHIN the offensive structure. Would love to see more of that out of Sam. I know some of that can be countered with zone defense, but I still think he can get more open shots with more motion. Given that we play at altitude, he should be in better shape than most of his defenders and he should be able to exhaust his opposing defender as well.


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