Boise State

SpectrumMagic · Post by **SpectrumMagic** » January 15th, 2019, 9:41 pm

Seems to have turned the corner after a rough pre conference record

Lost to Nevada by 1 at home for first conference loss.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » January 15th, 2019, 10:00 pm

Of course they did.

Why wouldn't they play like sh** during the preseason, then step it up during conference play?

utaggies · Post by **utaggies** » January 16th, 2019, 1:41 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 15th, 2019, 10:00 pm
Of course they did.

Why wouldn't they play like sh** during the preseason, then step it up during conference play?

Whay does this matter to you that BSU gave Nevada a good game and elevated its stature? There are much more important things to be concerned about — mainly simply holding serve at home and at laest splitting games on the road for a 12-6 record. We are one game down in that department so far.

If USU beats BSU in Boise it would be a feather in our cap. If not we don’t belong in the NCAA/NIT conversation. It’s as simple as that.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » January 16th, 2019, 8:44 am

utaggies wrote: ↑
January 16th, 2019, 1:41 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 15th, 2019, 10:00 pm
Of course they did.

Why wouldn't they play like sh** during the preseason, then step it up during conference play?
Whay does this matter to you that BSU gave Nevada a good game and elevated its stature? There are much more important things to be concerned about — mainly simply holding serve at home and at laest splitting games on the road for a 12-6 record. We are one game down in that department so far.

If USU beats BSU in Boise it would be a feather in our cap. If not we don’t belong in the NCAA/NIT conversation. It’s as simple as that.

It doesn't make you even a little angry that Boise can take a loss at home to Idaho State, among other losses to Big Sky schools, then turn around and compete well in conference?

It upsets me because I want Boise to pull their weight before conference play starts. Now if we lose to Boise, at home or away, it's considered a bad loss for NCAA/NIT committees. That's why it matters to me. If you're gonna suck, then go ahead and suck. But don't make the rest of the conference look bad by losing to crappy teams then getting up for conference play.

utaggies · Post by **utaggies** » January 16th, 2019, 10:41 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 16th, 2019, 8:44 am

utaggies wrote: ↑
January 16th, 2019, 1:41 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 15th, 2019, 10:00 pm
Of course they did.

Why wouldn't they play like sh** during the preseason, then step it up during conference play?
Whay does this matter to you that BSU gave Nevada a good game and elevated its stature? There are much more important things to be concerned about — mainly simply holding serve at home and at laest splitting games on the road for a 12-6 record. We are one game down in that department so far.

If USU beats BSU in Boise it would be a feather in our cap. If not we don’t belong in the NCAA/NIT conversation. It’s as simple as that.
It doesn't make you even a little angry that Boise can take a loss at home to Idaho State, among other losses to Big Sky schools, then turn around and compete well in conference?

It upsets me because I want Boise to pull their weight before conference play starts. Now if we lose to Boise, at home or away, it's considered a bad loss for NCAA/NIT committees. That's why it matters to me. If you're gonna suck, then go ahead and suck. But don't make the rest of the conference look bad by losing to crappy teams then getting up for conference play.

If we can’t beat a BSU team that loses to ISU at home, what makes you think that we would be worth considering by an NCAA/NIT committee? Al Davis had the perfect formula — just win, baby! Doing that obviates us being concerned about our conference mates’ OOC losses.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » January 16th, 2019, 10:47 am

utaggies wrote: ↑
January 16th, 2019, 10:41 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 16th, 2019, 8:44 am

utaggies wrote: ↑
January 16th, 2019, 1:41 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 15th, 2019, 10:00 pm
Of course they did.

Why wouldn't they play like sh** during the preseason, then step it up during conference play?
Whay does this matter to you that BSU gave Nevada a good game and elevated its stature? There are much more important things to be concerned about — mainly simply holding serve at home and at laest splitting games on the road for a 12-6 record. We are one game down in that department so far.

If USU beats BSU in Boise it would be a feather in our cap. If not we don’t belong in the NCAA/NIT conversation. It’s as simple as that.
It doesn't make you even a little angry that Boise can take a loss at home to Idaho State, among other losses to Big Sky schools, then turn around and compete well in conference?

It upsets me because I want Boise to pull their weight before conference play starts. Now if we lose to Boise, at home or away, it's considered a bad loss for NCAA/NIT committees. That's why it matters to me. If you're gonna suck, then go ahead and suck. But don't make the rest of the conference look bad by losing to crappy teams then getting up for conference play.
If we can’t beat a BSU team that loses to ISU at home, what makes you think that we would be worth considering by an NCAA/NIT committee? Al Davis had the perfect formula — just win, baby! Doing that obviates us being concerned about our conference mates’ OOC losses.

I definitely agree with that. But it's a shame Boise couldn't figure out a way to beat more teams in the preseason. I feel like they are better than their record. They obviously played well against Nevada, and almost won. The entire MW preconference record is very disappointing. I feel like only Nevada, USU, and almost Fresno (you lost to UVU at home? wtf) did anything to help the conference look good.

ChicAggie · Post by **ChicAggie** » January 16th, 2019, 12:35 pm

utaggies wrote: ↑
January 16th, 2019, 10:41 am
If we can’t beat a BSU team that loses to ISU at home, what makes you think that we would be worth considering by an NCAA/NIT committee? Al Davis had the perfect formula — just win, baby! Doing that obviates us being concerned about our conference mates’ OOC losses.

Disagree. Losing obviates the need to be concerned about our conference's OOC W/L record; winning does not. If you lose, it doesn't matter what your conference mates do. If you win, you STILL might not get an at-large bid if your conference can't win OOC games. We learned this lesson at least once during the Stew Morrill era. The 2003-04 season is probably the most glaring example. The Ags "just won, baby," going 17-1 in conference and 25-3 overall (with only one OOC loss at 24-9 Utah by 11, one regular season in conference loss at 25-8 Pacific by 4, and one conference tournament loss by 1 to Northridge, finishing the season ranked 25th on the AP poll, and STILL got snubbed. If the conference was stronger and won a few more of their OOC games that season, things may have been very different. While winning is obviouisly the most important thing -- both in and out of conference -- it does matter how our conference mates perform in their OOC games unless you can manage to win the conference tournament every year, which is impossible.

utaggies · Post by **utaggies** » January 16th, 2019, 4:09 pm

ChicAggie wrote: ↑
January 16th, 2019, 12:35 pm

utaggies wrote: ↑
January 16th, 2019, 10:41 am
If we can’t beat a BSU team that loses to ISU at home, what makes you think that we would be worth considering by an NCAA/NIT committee? Al Davis had the perfect formula — just win, baby! Doing that obviates us being concerned about our conference mates’ OOC losses.
Disagree. Losing obviates the need to be concerned about our conference's OOC W/L record; winning does not. If you lose, it doesn't matter what your conference mates do. If you win, you STILL might not get an at-large bid if your conference can't win OOC games. We learned this lesson at least once during the Stew Morrill era. The 2003-04 season is probably the most glaring example. The Ags "just won, baby," going 17-1 in conference and 25-3 overall (with only one OOC loss at 24-9 Utah by 11, one regular season in conference loss at 25-8 Pacific by 4, and one conference tournament loss by 1 to Northridge, finishing the season ranked 25th on the AP poll, and STILL got snubbed. If the conference was stronger and won a few more of their OOC games that season, things may have been very different. While winning is obviouisly the most important thing -- both in and out of conference -- it does matter how our conference mates perform in their OOC games unless you can manage to win the conference tournament every year, which is impossible.

Winning doesn’t absolutely guarantee an NCAA/NIT invite. You illustrated that with USU’s 2003-04 season. Although there are nits that can be picked at with the comparison, your point is a valid one. However, losing absolutely guarantees USU will NOT be invited to the NCAA/NIT. Any such invite will not hang in the balance of BSU’s loss to ISU or Fresno State’s loss to UVU. Simply stated USU needs to beat BSU (and SDS, NM, UNLV, CSU, WYO, and AFA) home and home and preferably Fresno St. on the road and finish 2nd in the conference to get invited to the NCAAs.

USU controls its own destiny and that is to win the games it plays. After tonight we will have played the two best teams in the conference and the three worst teams. How we fare against the middle will determine our post-season prospects. I believe it will take at least a 14-4 conference record and two wins in the conference tourney for USU to get into the NCAAs.

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