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Post by SLB » January 16th, 2019, 10:28 am

We are #40 in the Net Rankings at this moment.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by jpswensen » January 16th, 2019, 3:23 pm

SLB wrote:
January 16th, 2019, 10:28 am
We are #40 in the Net Rankings at this moment.
Link or it didn't happen :)


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Re: Net Rankings

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Re: Net Rankings

Post by treesap32 » January 16th, 2019, 10:08 pm

We'll likely drop after beating SJSU.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by bigblue » January 16th, 2019, 10:26 pm

treesap32 wrote:We'll likely drop after beating SJSU.
#39... Up one spot

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Re: Net Rankings

Post by brownjeans » January 17th, 2019, 11:39 am

At 40 again now.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by scotlandog » January 17th, 2019, 2:07 pm

brownjeans wrote:At 40 again now.
Yeah back to 40 after SJSU but that’s really not a drop. I expected to drop 5 spots due to a hit in SOS vs SJSU. That’s promising that we shouldn’t drop to bad through conference play as long as we don’t lose to the bottom teams. Any loss other than to Nevada or Fresno will hurt us bad.


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Re: Net Rankings

Post by SLB » January 20th, 2019, 8:37 pm

We are #41 in the Net Rankings which is good, and looking forward to the New Mexico game.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by scotlandog » January 25th, 2019, 1:16 pm

Now at #38 jumped 2 positions today.


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Re: Net Rankings

Post by Aggie84025 » January 25th, 2019, 1:59 pm

I keep thinking this ranking is going to nose dive, but it is keeping steady. Keep winning and good things will happen.



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Post by aceofspadeskb » January 25th, 2019, 2:16 pm

I just get the feeling that NET rankings will be ignored by the committee. Can't have a mighty giant like Kansas dropping to double digits.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by utaggies » January 25th, 2019, 4:07 pm

aceofspadeskb wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 2:16 pm
I just get the feeling that NET rankings will be ignored by the committee. Can't have a mighty giant like Kansas dropping to double digits.
I keep thinking that NET ranking is supposed to be meaningful to me. I have seen no NCAA projection that includes more than one MWC team being invited to the tourney. Team Rankings has 26 teams ahead of for the last NCAA slot and shows that we have a 21% chance of making the tourney. They believe our conference record will be 12-6.

Dratings has us a #2 seed in the NIT, along with Fresno St.

The Washington Post has us one of the first four out of the NCAAs.

SBNation has 10 teams ahead of us for the last NCAA berth.

SI has us in the last 16 out group. Fresno is in the last 8 out group.

As I see it our path to the NCAA tourney must include no more than 2 more conference losses, finishing in second place, and getting to the championship game in the conference tourney. Anything less than that, regardless of NET, gets us an NIT invite.

To preserve an NIT invite I believe we can finish no lower than 3rd in the conference, have no more than 4 more losses and reach at least the semi-finals of the conference tourney.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by scotlandog » January 25th, 2019, 6:06 pm

utaggies wrote:
aceofspadeskb wrote:
January 25th, 2019, 2:16 pm
I just get the feeling that NET rankings will be ignored by the committee. Can't have a mighty giant like Kansas dropping to double digits.
I keep thinking that NET ranking is supposed to be meaningful to me. I have seen no NCAA projection that includes more than one MWC team being invited to the tourney. Team Rankings has 26 teams ahead of for the last NCAA slot and shows that we have a 21% chance of making the tourney. They believe our conference record will be 12-6.

Dratings has us a #2 seed in the NIT, along with Fresno St.

The Washington Post has us one of the first four out of the NCAAs.

SBNation has 10 teams ahead of us for the last NCAA berth.

SI has us in the last 16 out group. Fresno is in the last 8 out group.

As I see it our path to the NCAA tourney must include no more than 2 more conference losses, finishing in second place, and getting to the championship game in the conference tourney. Anything less than that, regardless of NET, gets us an NIT invite.

To preserve an NIT invite I believe we can finish no lower than 3rd in the conference, have no more than 4 more losses and reach at least the semi-finals of the conference tourney.
All of those scenarios seem like legit possibilities right now, good and bad. Likes been said elsewhere, we will see where we stand in the next few games against the middle of the league.


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Re: Net Rankings

Post by dogie » January 26th, 2019, 12:45 pm

The Aggies are up to #36 before today’s UNM game.

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketbal ... t-rankings

It’s really not a bad place to be in late January. USU has somehow cracked the NET code because it is more favorable to them than any other computer ranking system I have seen.

Of just as much interest to me is the fact that they are #8 among school outside the big six conferences (i.e., P5 plus Big East):

2 Gonzaga
7 Houston
18 Nevada
22 Buffalo
29 Cincinnati
32 Wofford
35 UCF

Also of note, the top ranked PAC-12 team is Washington at #38.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by brownjeans » January 27th, 2019, 12:50 pm

36 still. Did they update already?



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by ProvoAggie » January 27th, 2019, 12:59 pm

brownjeans wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 12:50 pm
36 still. Did they update already?
It didn't. The top of the list says: Through Games JAN. 25, 2019



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by ChicAggie » January 27th, 2019, 1:32 pm

During last night's game, one of the commentators complained about NET Rankings because he does not like that it rewards a team for beating a 300th ranked team by 30 more than beating a 90th ranked team by 10. Since the Margin of Victory component is capped at 10, I assume the commentator believes that because "Net Efficiency" is the second most important component of NET calculation, the boost in Net Efficiency a team gets by beating a 300th ranked team by 30 is more valuable than the Team Value Index boost the team would achieve by beating a 90th ranked team by 10. Seems like the commentator is probably wrong, but I wonder if there is any validity to that point. It might explain USU's fairly high ranking: we beat some mediocre teams early in the season by huge margins and built up a fairly strong Net Efficiency number as a result. That seems to be carrying over. The Ags ORtg is 110.1 (61st of 353 NCAA teams) and their DRtg is 91.9 (19th). That gives us a Net Rating of 18.2, which has got to be one of the top 30 Net Ratings in the NCAA.


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Re: Net Rankings

Post by usufan1 » January 27th, 2019, 2:05 pm

Looks like the Aggies dropped to #40.

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Post by scotlandog » January 27th, 2019, 2:06 pm

ChicAggie wrote:During last night's game, one of the commentators complained about NET Rankings because he does not like that it rewards a team for beating a 300th ranked team by 30 more than beating a 90th ranked team by 10. Since the Margin of Victory component is capped at 10, I assume the commentator believes that because "Net Efficiency" is the second most important component of NET calculation, the boost in Net Efficiency a team gets by beating a 300th ranked team by 30 is more valuable than the Team Value Index boost the team would achieve by beating a 90th ranked team by 10. Seems like the commentator is probably wrong, but I wonder if there is any validity to that point. It might explain USU's fairly high ranking: we beat some mediocre teams early in the season by huge margins and built up a fairly strong Net Efficiency number as a result. That seems to be carrying over. The Ags ORtg is 110.1 (61st of 353 NCAA teams) and their DRtg is 91.9 (19th). That gives us a Net Rating of 18.2, which has got to be one of the top 30 Net Ratings in the NCAA.
I heard him say that and thought about the margin of victory cap. I didn’t think about the efficiency rating. What is the formula for efficiency rating?


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Re: Net Rankings

Post by Aglicious » January 27th, 2019, 2:22 pm

Have to figure that the Fresno St. loss hurt our ranking a bit.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by ProvoAggie » January 27th, 2019, 2:24 pm

Aglicious wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 2:22 pm
Have to figure that the Fresno St. loss hurt our ranking a bit.
Saint Mary's losing to Pepperdine doesn't help either. Fresno should be slightly offset by CSU winning.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by Cuchelain » January 27th, 2019, 2:33 pm

I’m pretty sure that the reason for our strong net rating is road wins. A few weeks ago when I looked at some of the teams around us that might seem like they should be ranked higher I noticed that all the major conference teams didn’t have any true road games or at most a couple of them. We have a pretty good number of road wins.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by ChicAggie » January 27th, 2019, 2:38 pm

scotlandog wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 2:06 pm
What is the formula for efficiency rating?
The formula for team Offensive Rating (ORtg) is 100 * (PTS Scored/Possessions).
The formula for team Defensive Rating (DRtg) is 100 * (PTS Allowed/OPP Possessions).
The formula for Net Efficiency is ORtg - DRtg.

The ORtg and DRtg formulas for players are not quite as cut-and-dried. Those formulas focus on "points produced per 100 possessions" and "points allowed per 100 possessions" for the individual player.


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Re: Net Rankings

Post by dogie » January 27th, 2019, 2:48 pm

Cuchelain wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 2:33 pm
I’m pretty sure that the reason for our strong net rating is road wins. A few weeks ago when I looked at some of the teams around us that might seem like they should be ranked higher I noticed that all the major conference teams didn’t have any true road games or at most a couple of them. We have a pretty good number of road wins.
That’s what I would have guessed. But the Aggies went on the road and got a good victory against a decent, but not great opponent, and was passed up by four high-major teams.

One of those teams (Washington) won yesterday. One (St. John’s) didn’t play. The other two (Mississippi and Florida) lost yesterday but still jumped ahead of the Aggies.

Utah State will move up a few more spots this week before beating SJSU, when they will drop well into the 40s.
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Re: Net Rankings

Post by hipsterdoofus21 » January 27th, 2019, 3:27 pm

Ugh, SJSU. The clap of the MW. Playing with them is a lose:lose in any sport. Even in victory you walk away worse off than when you started.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by SLB » January 27th, 2019, 3:34 pm

We got San Jose State and UNLV this week at home. The UNLV game is a big game.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by utaggies » January 27th, 2019, 4:13 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 3:27 pm
Ugh, SJSU. The clap of the MW. Playing with them is a lose:lose in any sport. Even in victory you walk away worse off than when you started.
And in defeat your coach loses his job. Last year’s SJS loss was the nail in the coffin for Duryea. He was a dead man walking afterward. Not even a decent MWC tourney could save him.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by bluegrouse » January 27th, 2019, 6:03 pm

utaggies wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 4:13 pm
hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 3:27 pm
Ugh, SJSU. The clap of the MW. Playing with them is a lose:lose in any sport. Even in victory you walk away worse off than when you started.
And in defeat your coach loses his job. Last year’s SJS loss was the nail in the coffin for Duryea. He was a dead man walking afterward. Not even a decent MWC tourney could save him.
While I always hate to lose, all things considered, that was a great loss for our program...



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Post by Usu0505 » January 27th, 2019, 6:18 pm

I have been trying to stay away from comparing last year to this year but since its been brought up again prob my biggest issue with duryea was he couldnt get the team motivated and bringing their A game night in and night out. He actually had some decent wins (i.e. at unlv and in the conference tourney) last year but you never knew which aggie team was going to show up. So far Coach Smith has done a great job at getting the guys ready and in the zone to play every game, minus BYU which i think was more just stage fright.

Its refreshing to know that we wont have let downs in games we should for sure win and will show up and play well for the big games also.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by hipsterdoofus21 » January 27th, 2019, 9:53 pm

Usu0505 wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 6:18 pm
I have been trying to stay away from comparing last year to this year but since its been brought up again prob my biggest issue with duryea was he couldnt get the team motivated and bringing their A game night in and night out. He actually had some decent wins (i.e. at unlv and in the conference tourney) last year but you never knew which aggie team was going to show up. So far Coach Smith has done a great job at getting the guys ready and in the zone to play every game, minus BYU which i think was more just stage fright.

Its refreshing to know that we wont have let downs in games we should for sure win and will show up and play well for the big games also.
Stage fright while playing in Provo is unstandable with how all the guys down there stare at you while you pee.
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Re: Net Rankings

Post by Usu0505 » January 27th, 2019, 9:58 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 9:53 pm
Usu0505 wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 6:18 pm
I have been trying to stay away from comparing last year to this year but since its been brought up again prob my biggest issue with duryea was he couldnt get the team motivated and bringing their A game night in and night out. He actually had some decent wins (i.e. at unlv and in the conference tourney) last year but you never knew which aggie team was going to show up. So far Coach Smith has done a great job at getting the guys ready and in the zone to play every game, minus BYU which i think was more just stage fright.

Its refreshing to know that we wont have let downs in games we should for sure win and will show up and play well for the big games also.
Stage fright while playing in Provo is unstandable with how all the guys down there stare at you while you pee.
Lol. I know i had some major stage fright while i was down there as well. It was REALLY awkward.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by dogie » January 28th, 2019, 1:58 pm

dogie wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 2:48 pm
Cuchelain wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 2:33 pm
I’m pretty sure that the reason for our strong net rating is road wins. A few weeks ago when I looked at some of the teams around us that might seem like they should be ranked higher I noticed that all the major conference teams didn’t have any true road games or at most a couple of them. We have a pretty good number of road wins.
Utah State will move up a few more spots this week before beating SJSU, when they will drop well into the 40s.
The Aggies moved up from 40 to 38 today after not playing on Sunday, and one day after dropping four spots following a loss.



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Post by treesap32 » January 28th, 2019, 2:53 pm

dogie wrote:
January 28th, 2019, 1:58 pm
dogie wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 2:48 pm
Cuchelain wrote:
January 27th, 2019, 2:33 pm
I’m pretty sure that the reason for our strong net rating is road wins. A few weeks ago when I looked at some of the teams around us that might seem like they should be ranked higher I noticed that all the major conference teams didn’t have any true road games or at most a couple of them. We have a pretty good number of road wins.
Utah State will move up a few more spots this week before beating SJSU, when they will drop well into the 40s.
The Aggies moved up from 40 to 38 today after not playing on Sunday, and one day after dropping four spots following a road win.
fixed it for you.



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Re: Net Rankings

Post by UtahStizzle » January 28th, 2019, 8:23 pm

Usu0505 wrote:I have been trying to stay away from comparing last year to this year but since its been brought up again prob my biggest issue with duryea was he couldnt get the team motivated and bringing their A game night in and night out. He actually had some decent wins (i.e. at unlv and in the conference tourney) last year but you never knew which aggie team was going to show up. So far Coach Smith has done a great job at getting the guys ready and in the zone to play every game, minus BYU which i think was more just stage fright.

Its refreshing to know that we wont have let downs in games we should for sure win and will show up and play well for the big games also.
I think it was just byu playing really well. Look at their home record and games.


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Re: Net Rankings

Post by dogie » January 28th, 2019, 9:47 pm

treesap32 wrote:
January 28th, 2019, 2:53 pm
dogie wrote:
January 28th, 2019, 1:58 pm
The Aggies moved up from 40 to 38 today after not playing on Sunday, and one day after dropping four spots following a road win.
fixed it for you.
Many thanks. You read my mind.



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