Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

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Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by jpswensen » March 18th, 2019, 12:02 pm

The NCAA ex-resident slime ball gives us a breakdown of how to beat the Syracuse 2-3 Zone (Washington's current coach was the long-time assistant at Syracuse that spearheaded that effort).



That being said, I have been watching a bit of footage from their tournament games and their zone doesn't look that impressive, especially when teams move the ball around well and have someone who can pass back out in a decent high-low game.

Maybe I am only seeing highlights and their box scores do seem to indicate they create a lot of turnovers, but their zone doesn't seem anywhere near as fast or intense as what we see from New Mexico and SDSU.


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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by NVAggie » March 18th, 2019, 12:10 pm

I think #3 is the key for us. If we are making shots we should win this game.



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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by 918AGG » March 18th, 2019, 12:14 pm

Does Washington have a good full court press? If so, let's hope that we don't see it.


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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by YoungBloodAggie » March 18th, 2019, 12:16 pm

I dare them to run a zone with our perimeter shooting. There is a reason that we didn't see many zone defenses this year, and when we did they didn't last long.


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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by Bank Shot » March 18th, 2019, 12:23 pm

918AGG wrote:
March 18th, 2019, 12:14 pm
Does Washington have a good full court press? If so, let's hope that we don't see it.
I'm not really concerned about the press. Coach Smith admitted that they weren't as prepared for it prior to New Mexico and you can add in the fact that we were coming off a 9 day layoff and were rusty in general. Adjustments were made and the 2nd half was much better. With that experience and the time prior to Friday to work on it, I'm actually hoping they try it because I think it will lead to some easy baskets.



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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by Aggie19 » March 18th, 2019, 12:34 pm

I think we do all 4 of those things pretty well. I'm looking forward to how Coach Smith prepares our guys. I have no doubt they will be. I think having Miller continue to break out of his slump will be key for us.

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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by AggieFBObsession » March 18th, 2019, 1:55 pm

Good article talking about Washington's struggles in offense. A good read.

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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by FloridaAggie13 » March 18th, 2019, 3:23 pm

Ball movement and player movement is always essential in beating a good zone, especially once the ball is dumped inside. Zone forces patience and often the offense will become stagnant with no one moving. Also, the Syracuse/Washington version of the 2-3 is fairly aggressive in defending against the three point shot - it's not as though they are sitting back daring the offense to shoot the ball.



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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by brownjeans » March 18th, 2019, 3:30 pm

I actually hope teams press us. We've been pressed in several games this year and only one time did it trouble us. All other times we killed teams when they pressed.



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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by feeah » March 18th, 2019, 3:49 pm

FloridaAggie13 wrote:
March 18th, 2019, 3:23 pm
Ball movement and player movement is always essential in beating a good zone, especially once the ball is dumped inside. Zone forces patience and often the offense will become stagnant with no one moving. Also, the Syracuse/Washington version of the 2-3 is fairly aggressive in defending against the three point shot - it's not as though they are sitting back daring the offense to shoot the ball.
I agree with this. UW 3 point FG % defense is quite good, 90th in the country allowing 32.9% 3 point percentage. USU's ranks 227 in the country allowing teams to hit 35.1% of their 3's against us.



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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by LKGates » March 18th, 2019, 4:24 pm

feeah wrote:
March 18th, 2019, 3:49 pm
FloridaAggie13 wrote:
March 18th, 2019, 3:23 pm
Ball movement and player movement is always essential in beating a good zone, especially once the ball is dumped inside. Zone forces patience and often the offense will become stagnant with no one moving. Also, the Syracuse/Washington version of the 2-3 is fairly aggressive in defending against the three point shot - it's not as though they are sitting back daring the offense to shoot the ball.
I agree with this. UW 3 point FG % defense is quite good, 90th in the country allowing 32.9% 3 point percentage. USU's ranks 227 in the country allowing teams to hit 35.1% of their 3's against us.
So the difference between 90th and 227th is 2.2 percentage points? Pretty tight bell curve.


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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by jpswensen » March 19th, 2019, 12:16 am

Anyone know if there is full game video of Washington anywhere? It would be nice to see their defense in longer than a few highlights and some promo clips.


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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by QuackAttackAggie » March 19th, 2019, 2:29 am

jpswensen wrote:
March 19th, 2019, 12:16 am
Anyone know if there is full game video of Washington anywhere? It would be nice to see their defense in longer than a few highlights and some promo clips.
Two are on the watch espn app. Both losses to Oregon.



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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by jpswensen » March 19th, 2019, 3:02 pm

QuackAttackAggie wrote:
March 19th, 2019, 2:29 am
jpswensen wrote:
March 19th, 2019, 12:16 am
Anyone know if there is full game video of Washington anywhere? It would be nice to see their defense in longer than a few highlights and some promo clips.
Two are on the watch espn app. Both losses to Oregon.
Thanks! I watched part of those and part of their last game with Stanford. They rotate really well on that zone, but every time the opposing team had someone who could take a spot at the top of the key and distribute well back to the perimeter or down low seemed to get open shots every single time.

It also doesn't look like they have a legit big man who plays much. Timmins at 6'11" looks like he only plays 5-8 minutes a game. Sorn and Roberts look like they are redshirting. Penn-Johnson hasn't played since the pre-season. Wright is 6'9" and playing 18 minutes a game, but his super low FG% and super-low rebounds as one of the tallest on the team with regular minutes are probably what limits his minutes. He does average 1.5 blocks per game, though. Dickerson, at 6'8", is the only one that seems to be much of a threat on the offensive end. He shoots almost 56% from the field and has 7.4 rebounds per game. He actually reminds me a lot of Sean Daniels, often playing a lot bigger than he is around the rim.

Particularly when they go small, Queta could have a field day. with only two down low. Making a few threes and drawing out the 3 zone players up top to guard the perimeter could leave Queta with no double team down low quite often.


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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by AggieFBObsession » March 19th, 2019, 3:11 pm

jpswensen wrote:
March 19th, 2019, 3:02 pm
Particularly when they go small, Queta could have a field day. with only two down low. Making a few threes and drawing out the 3 zone players up top to guard the perimeter could leave Queta with no double team down low quite often.
Queta should do well in the first two rounds, barring foul trouble.



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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by Winning Team » March 19th, 2019, 3:36 pm

Is there anything like crazy special about how they run this zone? I am the same age as most of our players and I have been playing against zones my whole life. I’d imagine our players are pretty familiar with it as well?



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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by Winning Team » March 19th, 2019, 3:38 pm

I also found this YouTube video that does a pretty good job explaining the ins and outs of the zone.





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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by Bank Shot » March 19th, 2019, 3:52 pm

One reason the 2-3 zone has served Cuse so well is that Boehiem recruits dudes with long athletic players wing spans of a 747.



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Re: Washington's "Syracuse 2-3 zone"

Post by ChicAggie » March 19th, 2019, 4:19 pm

jpswensen wrote:
March 19th, 2019, 3:02 pm
It also doesn't look like they have a legit big man who plays much. Timmins at 6'11" looks like he only plays 5-8 minutes a game. Sorn and Roberts look like they are redshirting. Penn-Johnson hasn't played since the pre-season. Wright is 6'9" and playing 18 minutes a game, but his super low FG% and super-low rebounds as one of the tallest on the team with regular minutes are probably what limits his minutes. He does average 1.5 blocks per game, though. Dickerson, at 6'8", is the only one that seems to be much of a threat on the offensive end. He shoots almost 56% from the field and has 7.4 rebounds per game. He actually reminds me a lot of Sean Daniels, often playing a lot bigger than he is around the rim.

Particularly when they go small, Queta could have a field day. with only two down low. Making a few threes and drawing out the 3 zone players up top to guard the perimeter could leave Queta with no double team down low quite often.
Here is how Washington stacks up in terms of minutes played:

Nowell, 6'4" SO - 34.4 MPG
Crisp, 6'0" SR - 33.4 MPG
Thybulle, 6'5" SR - 30.9 MPG
Dickerson, 6'8" SR - 25.6 MPG
Green, 6'6" SR - 23.0 MPG
Carter, 6'6" SO - 20.5 MPG
Wright, 6'9" SO - 18.0 MPG
Timmins, 6'11" JR - 10.7 MPG

Dickerson averages 7.4 RB and Nowell averages 5.3 RB. Thybulle is at 3.1 RB (but only 6.0 RB/100 POSS -- which would be 2nd lowest on the Aggies ahead of only Miller), but no one else averages more than 3 RB.


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