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Re: Recruiting

Post by ThunderAggie » February 10th, 2020, 10:52 am

aggies22 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 10:47 am
Malik Zachary. Chipola CC, FL.
https://chipolaathletics.com/sports/mbk ... malik_x6bg

This guy? Averages 2.8 points....

Although his 247 profile is more impressing....
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Malik ... Interests/



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Murkymerk » February 10th, 2020, 11:02 am

slcagg wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:58 pm
mcaggie1 wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:36 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 12:47 pm
Man, I want to land Justice Hill so bad. I’m salivating over the idea of having him and Marco Anthony in the backcourt with Bean and Queta in the front court.
..........with McChesney looming.
Liam is supposedly the second best shooter after Sam. However I saw him last night and he still looks 140 lbs.
The time for putting on weight is the off season. Even if you aren’t playing in games, this is the time to learn from your coaches and teammates, and work on your technique, not focus on weight/strength. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be trying to put on weight now, just that it shouldn’t be his priority. If he still looks 140lbs next October, then we may have an issue, but right now it’s a nonissue.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by oleblu111 » February 10th, 2020, 11:14 am

Murkymerk wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 11:02 am
slcagg wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:58 pm
mcaggie1 wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:36 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 12:47 pm
Man, I want to land Justice Hill so bad. I’m salivating over the idea of having him and Marco Anthony in the backcourt with Bean and Queta in the front court.
..........with McChesney looming.
Liam is supposedly the second best shooter after Sam. However I saw him last night and he still looks 140 lbs.
The time for putting on weight is the off season. Even if you aren’t playing in games, this is the time to learn from your coaches and teammates, and work on your technique, not focus on weight/strength. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be trying to put on weight now, just that it shouldn’t be his priority. If he still looks 140lbs next October, then we may have an issue, but right now it’s a nonissue.
It is a issue when you have 7 months to gain 40-60 lbs of muscle.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Roy McAvoy » February 10th, 2020, 11:38 am

Murkymerk wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 11:02 am
slcagg wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:58 pm
mcaggie1 wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:36 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 12:47 pm
Man, I want to land Justice Hill so bad. I’m salivating over the idea of having him and Marco Anthony in the backcourt with Bean and Queta in the front court.
..........with McChesney looming.
Liam is supposedly the second best shooter after Sam. However I saw him last night and he still looks 140 lbs.
The time for putting on weight is the off season. Even if you aren’t playing in games, this is the time to learn from your coaches and teammates, and work on your technique, not focus on weight/strength. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be trying to put on weight now, just that it shouldn’t be his priority. If he still looks 140lbs next October, then we may have an issue, but right now it’s a nonissue.
In McChesney's case, I disagree. He needs to gain about 20 lbs at minimum to even see the court it seems. He is crazy skinny.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by treesap32 » February 10th, 2020, 11:52 am

aggies22 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 10:47 am
Malik Zachary. Chipola CC, FL.
Hard to tell from these clips, but it looks like he's definitely got some meat to him. Would be nice to see him on the court though...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_nVHZ ... MFJVoADvfw



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Re: Recruiting

Post by aggies22 » February 10th, 2020, 11:59 am

oleblu111 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 11:14 am
Murkymerk wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 11:02 am
slcagg wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:58 pm
mcaggie1 wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:36 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 12:47 pm
Man, I want to land Justice Hill so bad. I’m salivating over the idea of having him and Marco Anthony in the backcourt with Bean and Queta in the front court.
..........with McChesney looming.
Liam is supposedly the second best shooter after Sam. However I saw him last night and he still looks 140 lbs.
The time for putting on weight is the off season. Even if you aren’t playing in games, this is the time to learn from your coaches and teammates, and work on your technique, not focus on weight/strength. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be trying to put on weight now, just that it shouldn’t be his priority. If he still looks 140lbs next October, then we may have an issue, but right now it’s a nonissue.
It is a issue when you have 7 months to gain 40-60 lbs of muscle.
How much are you guys expecting him to weigh?



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Re: Recruiting

Post by oleblu111 » February 10th, 2020, 12:04 pm

aggies22 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 11:59 am
oleblu111 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 11:14 am
Murkymerk wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 11:02 am
slcagg wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:58 pm
mcaggie1 wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:36 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 12:47 pm
Man, I want to land Justice Hill so bad. I’m salivating over the idea of having him and Marco Anthony in the backcourt with Bean and Queta in the front court.
..........with McChesney looming.
Liam is supposedly the second best shooter after Sam. However I saw him last night and he still looks 140 lbs.
The time for putting on weight is the off season. Even if you aren’t playing in games, this is the time to learn from your coaches and teammates, and work on your technique, not focus on weight/strength. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be trying to put on weight now, just that it shouldn’t be his priority. If he still looks 140lbs next October, then we may have an issue, but right now it’s a nonissue.
It is a issue when you have 7 months to gain 40-60 lbs of muscle.
How much are you guys expecting him to weigh?
He is listed at 6'10" at that height he should be about 220 Bean for example is 210 at 6'7"
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Re: Recruiting

Post by aggies22 » February 10th, 2020, 12:06 pm

ThunderAggie wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 10:52 am
aggies22 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 10:47 am
Malik Zachary. Chipola CC, FL.
https://chipolaathletics.com/sports/mbk ... malik_x6bg

This guy? Averages 2.8 points....

Although his 247 profile is more impressing....
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Malik ... Interests/
I didn't say we've offered. Just that there is interest.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by ThunderAggie » February 10th, 2020, 12:14 pm

aggies22 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 12:06 pm
ThunderAggie wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 10:52 am
aggies22 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 10:47 am
Malik Zachary. Chipola CC, FL.
https://chipolaathletics.com/sports/mbk ... malik_x6bg

This guy? Averages 2.8 points....

Although his 247 profile is more impressing....
https://247sports.com/Recruitment/Malik ... Interests/
I didn't say we've offered. Just that there is interest.
Oh ok. Looks like he was somewhat highly recruited out of high school. It shows only 4 games that he has played in so sample size seems small. He has quite a few assists though.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Murkymerk » February 10th, 2020, 12:35 pm

Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 11:38 am
Murkymerk wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 11:02 am
slcagg wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:58 pm
mcaggie1 wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 2:36 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 9th, 2020, 12:47 pm
Man, I want to land Justice Hill so bad. I’m salivating over the idea of having him and Marco Anthony in the backcourt with Bean and Queta in the front court.
..........with McChesney looming.
Liam is supposedly the second best shooter after Sam. However I saw him last night and he still looks 140 lbs.
The time for putting on weight is the off season. Even if you aren’t playing in games, this is the time to learn from your coaches and teammates, and work on your technique, not focus on weight/strength. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be trying to put on weight now, just that it shouldn’t be his priority. If he still looks 140lbs next October, then we may have an issue, but right now it’s a nonissue.
In McChesney's case, I disagree. He needs to gain about 20 lbs at minimum to even see the court it seems. He is crazy skinny.
I agree that 20lbs seems about right. And 7 months is definitely enough time to put on 20lbs for a guy that tall. He can work with strength and conditioning in the off season, he can’t work with the coaching staff for most of the off season.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Aggiewest » February 10th, 2020, 2:02 pm

Kevin Durrant only weighed 215 lbs during his only year at the University of Texas. The Longhorns listed him at 6'9, but many believe he was at least 6'10. Quickness and athleticism can more than compensate for a lack of weight. Jalen McDaniels that played last year at SDSU was 6'9 and he only weighed 195. He didn't struggle too much because of his weight. He left college early and is playing in the NBA developmental league. McChesney is listed at 185 lbs.
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Re: Recruiting

Post by hipsterdoofus21 » February 10th, 2020, 2:30 pm

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February 10th, 2020, 2:02 pm
Kevin Durrant only weighed 215 lbs during his only year at the University of Texas. The Longhorns listed him at 6'9, but many believe he was at least 6'10. Quickness and athleticism can more than compensate for a lack of weight. Jalen McDaniels that played last year at SDSU was 6'9 and he only weighed 195. He didn't struggle too much because of his weight. He left college early and is playing in the NBA developmental league. McChesney is listed at 185 lbs.
BYU has never had a player in the 1-3 spot that's weighed over 190lbs. That's a fact.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by oleblu111 » February 10th, 2020, 3:24 pm

Aggiewest wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 2:02 pm
Kevin Durrant only weighed 215 lbs during his only year at the University of Texas. The Longhorns listed him at 6'9, but many believe he was at least 6'10. Quickness and athleticism can more than compensate for a lack of weight. Jalen McDaniels that played last year at SDSU was 6'9 and he only weighed 195. He didn't struggle too much because of his weight. He left college early and is playing in the NBA developmental league. McChesney is listed at 185 lbs.
So McChesney is 30lbs less than Kevin Durrant was in college ? I believe that 220 lbs would be good for him.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Aggiewest » February 10th, 2020, 3:50 pm

oleblu111 wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 3:24 pm
Aggiewest wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 2:02 pm
Kevin Durrant only weighed 215 lbs during his only year at the University of Texas. The Longhorns listed him at 6'9, but many believe he was at least 6'10. Quickness and athleticism can more than compensate for a lack of weight. Jalen McDaniels that played last year at SDSU was 6'9 and he only weighed 195. He didn't struggle too much because of his weight. He left college early and is playing in the NBA developmental league. McChesney is listed at 185 lbs.
So McChesney is 30lbs less than Kevin Durrant was in college ? I believe that 220 lbs would be good for him.
I have no clue at what weight McChesney needs to weigh to be effective. I do know that if he is athletic. quick, and can shoot for his size, it will probably not be as much as everyone thinks. Tayshaun Prince was 6'9" and 215 pounds and that was when he was playing in the NBA.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by brownjeans » February 10th, 2020, 4:33 pm

Derrick Alston was insanely skinny when he arrived at Boise. He didn't contribute much the first couple of years, but he's been solid for them the past two. He's also gained 40 lbs (about 10 lbs/year); now he's listed at 6'9" 188.
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Post by breadysmith » February 10th, 2020, 4:36 pm

Must be all of that estrogen.
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Post by Jjoey52 » February 10th, 2020, 4:53 pm

Hill has been offered by Nevada, Wazzu and Fresno according to verbal commits. These are all beatable.


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Post by nvspuds » February 10th, 2020, 5:32 pm

I don't think Hill is still in the cards for NV. Harris is slotted to play the point next year and Alford already has signed two freshmen point guards.,

I think you have as good a chance as anybody to get him..



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Post by Real Life Aggie » February 10th, 2020, 5:46 pm

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I don't think Hill is still in the cards for NV. Harris is slotted to play the point next year and Alford already has signed two freshmen point guards.,

I think you have as good a chance as anybody to get him..
As you know from reading the forums, we don't believe in point guards at Utah State. I don't even know why we're looking at this guy.

I think what we really need is someone with middling ball handling skills, who lacks the skill to penetrate and finish at the rim, while taking ill-advised shots from behind the arc. A team player that really practices the fundamentals.. Assuming those fundamentals are shooting bricks from deep.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Pacobag » February 10th, 2020, 6:49 pm

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February 10th, 2020, 5:46 pm
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I don't think Hill is still in the cards for NV. Harris is slotted to play the point next year and Alford already has signed two freshmen point guards.,

I think you have as good a chance as anybody to get him..
As you know from reading the forums, we don't believe in point guards at Utah State. I don't even know why we're looking at this guy.

I think what we really need is someone with middling ball handling skills, who lacks the skill to penetrate and finish at the rim, while taking ill-advised shots from behind the arc. A team player that really practices the fundamentals.. Assuming those fundamentals are shooting bricks from deep.
This year we didn't need a point guard in the traditional sense. Porter/Brito are more than sufficient to be our primary ball handlers this season,. I'm sure the stats back me up..... :sarcasm:

Beating a dead horse, but if we had Toolson and a quick PG type, we could be having a season similar to SDSU.



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Post by WAAggie » February 10th, 2020, 7:39 pm

Toolson alone would have done it. Imagine 16 points/game and maybe 40% on 3’s??


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Post by Yossarian » February 10th, 2020, 7:43 pm

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Toolson alone would have done it. Imagine 16 points/game and maybe 40% on 3’s??


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Post by ineptimusprime » February 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm

Count me as a big “nope” on the guy averaging 2.8 pts and a big “yep” on the SLCC guy, the guy shooting 45% from 3 and averaging close to 20, and the white dude that played against CSI.



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Post by Real Life Aggie » February 11th, 2020, 9:45 am

I refuse to salivate over a recruit who chose BYU... Twice. I say that TOOLson can stay where he is.
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Post by Yossarian » February 11th, 2020, 9:58 am

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I refuse to salivate over a recruit who chose BYU... Twice. I say that TOOLson can stay where he is.
Well - I think you're in luck. I would say the chances of him playing at USU are exactly zero, so you can breathe easy.

What I don't understand - He has played in five seasons. His freshman year at BYU was 2014-15. Then he played 10 games at BYU in 2015-16. Then he transferred to UVU for two years (without sitting out) and back to BYU this year (without sitting out). How was he able to play in five seasons and transfer twice without having to sit out a year?


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Post by Roy McAvoy » February 11th, 2020, 10:03 am

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Count me as a big “nope” on the guy averaging 2.8 pts and a big “yep” on the SLCC guy, the guy shooting 45% from 3 and averaging close to 20, and the white dude that played against CSI.
That guy, Malik Zachary, out of Chipola just may be a better player and bigger recruit. The kid is good. He had some injury issues this year.




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Post by Real Life Aggie » February 11th, 2020, 10:12 am

Roy McAvoy wrote:
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Count me as a big “nope” on the guy averaging 2.8 pts and a big “yep” on the SLCC guy, the guy shooting 45% from 3 and averaging close to 20, and the white dude that played against CSI.
That guy, Malik Zachary, out of Chipola just may be a better player and bigger recruit. The kid is good. He had some injury issues this year.
He would definitely be a bigger recruit for us. After some in-depth investigative research, I've found that he is several inches taller than Justice Hill.



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Post by AGGIEinIOWA » February 11th, 2020, 11:00 am

So, between the names that 22 has thrown out there and a few that you other posters mentioned, it looks like we may have some options for an experienced PG next year. These are all JC guys and doesn't include any grad transfers that may be looming.

Justice Hill (SLCC)
Taylor Miller (Snow)
Malik Zachery (Chipola)
Tahlik Chavez (Garden City)

After researching all these guys, I think they all have their qualities and it may depend on what strengths the staff values the most. If we had our pick of the litter, I'd likely take Hill first based on the rave first hand reviews you guys give, but Chavez can really shoot the lights out (45% 3pt), Miller is dynamic and seems like he'd be a good fit off the court, and Zachery is very solid and a great passer (6 asst/game to go with 9 pts/game last year). I could live with any of them to be honest.
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Post by Real Life Aggie » February 11th, 2020, 12:18 pm

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February 11th, 2020, 11:00 am
So, between the names that 22 has thrown out there and a few that you other posters mentioned, it looks like we may have some options for an experienced PG next year. These are all JC guys and doesn't include any grad transfers that may be looming.

Justice Hill (SLCC)
Taylor Miller (Snow)
Malik Zachery (Chipola)
Tahlik Chavez (Garden City)

After researching all these guys, I think they all have their qualities and it may depend on what strengths the staff values the most. If we had our pick of the litter, I'd likely take Hill first based on the rave first hand reviews you guys give, but Chavez can really shoot the lights out (45% 3pt), Miller is dynamic and seems like he'd be a good fit off the court, and Zachery is very solid and a great passer (6 asst/game to go with 9 pts/game last year). I could live with any of them to be honest.
I see 3 pt shooting as a bonus. I honestly just want someone who is quick and athletic. Preferably aggressive, and is willing to drive to the basket (flaws aside, kinda like Brockeith Pane). If that person also happened to be able to drop 3s, great!

Unrelated question... In Miller's highlight reel, when he jumps up and then passes to someone near the basket, has he already decided before jumping that he's passing, or is he going up for a shot and sees a better opportunity as he starts to pull up?



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Post by bullshot » February 11th, 2020, 12:37 pm

I say we take 2 of the 4.



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Post by hipsterdoofus21 » February 11th, 2020, 1:49 pm

Real Life Aggie wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 12:18 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 11:00 am
So, between the names that 22 has thrown out there and a few that you other posters mentioned, it looks like we may have some options for an experienced PG next year. These are all JC guys and doesn't include any grad transfers that may be looming.

Justice Hill (SLCC)
Taylor Miller (Snow)
Malik Zachery (Chipola)
Tahlik Chavez (Garden City)

After researching all these guys, I think they all have their qualities and it may depend on what strengths the staff values the most. If we had our pick of the litter, I'd likely take Hill first based on the rave first hand reviews you guys give, but Chavez can really shoot the lights out (45% 3pt), Miller is dynamic and seems like he'd be a good fit off the court, and Zachery is very solid and a great passer (6 asst/game to go with 9 pts/game last year). I could live with any of them to be honest.
I see 3 pt shooting as a bonus. I honestly just want someone who is quick and athletic. Preferably aggressive, and is willing to drive to the basket (flaws aside, kinda like Brockeith Pane). If that person also happened to be able to drop 3s, great!

Unrelated question... In Miller's highlight reel, when he jumps up and then passes to someone near the basket, has he already decided before jumping that he's passing, or is he going up for a shot and sees a better opportunity as he starts to pull up?
I was surprised they included the jump pass in the highlights because my impression was it was more a lucky pass than a good pass.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by Real Life Aggie » February 11th, 2020, 2:01 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 1:49 pm
Real Life Aggie wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 12:18 pm
AGGIEinIOWA wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 11:00 am
So, between the names that 22 has thrown out there and a few that you other posters mentioned, it looks like we may have some options for an experienced PG next year. These are all JC guys and doesn't include any grad transfers that may be looming.

Justice Hill (SLCC)
Taylor Miller (Snow)
Malik Zachery (Chipola)
Tahlik Chavez (Garden City)

After researching all these guys, I think they all have their qualities and it may depend on what strengths the staff values the most. If we had our pick of the litter, I'd likely take Hill first based on the rave first hand reviews you guys give, but Chavez can really shoot the lights out (45% 3pt), Miller is dynamic and seems like he'd be a good fit off the court, and Zachery is very solid and a great passer (6 asst/game to go with 9 pts/game last year). I could live with any of them to be honest.
I see 3 pt shooting as a bonus. I honestly just want someone who is quick and athletic. Preferably aggressive, and is willing to drive to the basket (flaws aside, kinda like Brockeith Pane). If that person also happened to be able to drop 3s, great!

Unrelated question... In Miller's highlight reel, when he jumps up and then passes to someone near the basket, has he already decided before jumping that he's passing, or is he going up for a shot and sees a better opportunity as he starts to pull up?
I was surprised they included the jump pass in the highlights because my impression was it was more a lucky pass than a good pass.
I just noticed he did it multiple times, so I was wondering if that was something they practice, good awareness from Miller, or sloppy plays that worked out. Maybe he can just get away with more given the level of competition.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by aggies22 » February 11th, 2020, 2:18 pm

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February 11th, 2020, 10:03 am
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Count me as a big “nope” on the guy averaging 2.8 pts and a big “yep” on the SLCC guy, the guy shooting 45% from 3 and averaging close to 20, and the white dude that played against CSI.
That guy, Malik Zachary, out of Chipola just may be a better player and bigger recruit. The kid is good. He had some injury issues this year.

Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Especially in JuCo ball where information is pretty limited.



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Re: Recruiting

Post by hipsterdoofus21 » February 11th, 2020, 2:36 pm

aggies22 wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 2:18 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:03 am
ineptimusprime wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm
Count me as a big “nope” on the guy averaging 2.8 pts and a big “yep” on the SLCC guy, the guy shooting 45% from 3 and averaging close to 20, and the white dude that played against CSI.
That guy, Malik Zachary, out of Chipola just may be a better player and bigger recruit. The kid is good. He had some injury issues this year.

Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Especially in JuCo ball where information is pretty limited.
Choo choo?



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Re: Recruiting

Post by ThunderAggie » February 11th, 2020, 2:59 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 2:36 pm
aggies22 wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 2:18 pm
Roy McAvoy wrote:
February 11th, 2020, 10:03 am
ineptimusprime wrote:
February 10th, 2020, 9:42 pm
Count me as a big “nope” on the guy averaging 2.8 pts and a big “yep” on the SLCC guy, the guy shooting 45% from 3 and averaging close to 20, and the white dude that played against CSI.
That guy, Malik Zachary, out of Chipola just may be a better player and bigger recruit. The kid is good. He had some injury issues this year.

Sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. Especially in JuCo ball where information is pretty limited.
Choo choo?
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/malik-zachery

Looks like Nebraska is interested in him. Other notable teams are Fresno State and Middle TN State. From this video from last season, he looked pretty good. Dropped 19 points, 10 assists, and 7 rebounds in a different game I watched from his highlights. From what I saw, he is GREAT passer. I actually am starting to think we need a guy like this! Looked like a mini Jason Kidd.
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