Out Hustled and Out Coached!

nvspuds · Post by **nvspuds** » February 19th, 2021, 11:00 pm

If you are pinning your hopes on winning the tourney, perhaps you should rest Queta, Bean, Anthony and Anderson for the two games against the Pack to keep them healthy and fresh..Just a thought..

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » February 19th, 2021, 11:01 pm

nvspuds wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2021, 11:00 pm
If you are pinning your hopes on winning the tourney, perhaps you should rest Queta, Bean, Anthony and Anderson for the two games against the Pack to keep them healthy and fresh..Just a thought..

Haha this made me laugh.

pilotaggie · Post by **pilotaggie** » February 19th, 2021, 11:02 pm

nvspuds wrote:If you are pinning your hopes on winning the tourney, perhaps you should rest Queta, Bean, Anthony and Anderson for the two games against the Pack to keep them healthy and fresh..Just a thought..

Maybe we sight medical fears???

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GameFAQSAggie · Post by **GameFAQSAggie** » February 19th, 2021, 11:02 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2021, 10:45 pm
We lost, and as a result we will not be an at large team. It is disappointing. Yes, the other early season losses hurt too, but a win tonight gives us a chance notwithstanding those. It hurts because it was the straw that broke our at-large camel’s back.

Let people vent.

I will add that the reason the VCU and South Dakota State losses didn't hurt so bad at the time was cause we thought at the time those losses were just a sign we weren't a good team this year.

utaggies · Post by **utaggies** » February 19th, 2021, 11:09 pm

nvspuds wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2021, 11:00 pm
If you are pinning your hopes on winning the tourney, perhaps you should rest Queta, Bean, Anthony and Anderson for the two games against the Pack to keep them healthy and fresh..Just a thought..

I see what you tried to do there.

Aggiebigtime · Post by **Aggiebigtime** » February 19th, 2021, 11:16 pm

nvspuds wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2021, 11:00 pm
If you are pinning your hopes on winning the tourney, perhaps you should rest Queta, Bean, Anthony and Anderson for the two games against the Pack to keep them healthy and fresh..Just a thought..

Sounds like we are banged up without playing a game for about two weeks,

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » February 19th, 2021, 11:17 pm

pilotaggie wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2021, 11:02 pm

nvspuds wrote:If you are pinning your hopes on winning the tourney, perhaps you should rest Queta, Bean, Anthony and Anderson for the two games against the Pack to keep them healthy and fresh..Just a thought..
Maybe we sight medical fears???

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Or pull a wyoming and claim safety and health reasons

Pacobag · Post by **Pacobag** » February 19th, 2021, 11:17 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2021, 10:36 pm

afausu wrote:You can LOL all you want, but Miller was abused the entire game on defense. And it wasn’t just getting blown by every time, he lost his man multiple times. He shouldn’t have been guarding Alston whether injured or not.
LOL. Go to bed. Geez.

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Before Wednesday’s game, I anticipated Marco would be the primary defender on Alston. I was a little surprised that wasn’t the case. Any thoughts on why the coaches didn’t have Marco guard Alston more?

I think Bairstow has good height and athleticism, but he needs to improve his decision-making and focus. I see brief flashes of potential but too many mistakes. I really hope he can mature and get tougher physically and mentally. He could become a nice piece to the Aggie puzzle but it will take some work.

Aggiebigtime · Post by **Aggiebigtime** » February 19th, 2021, 11:18 pm

We better make a showing in MW tourney this year because with Quetta gone we will be a one and done next year unless we landed a couple of very talented players during the off season. Other than Quetta the talent is just not there. I had very high hopes for Bairstow, but he looks to be a bust.

aggies95 · Post by **aggies95** » February 20th, 2021, 12:02 am

It’s simple. In 2 games against us last year with Bean as his primary defender, he was 7/22 and averaged 13 ppg. In the few times Marco guarded him he stripped him a couple of times and made him hit tough shots. The one time Bean switched onto him he tied him up for a jump ball turnover. Marco and Bean are perfect matchups for Alston. They’re physical and have the lateral quickness to stay in front. Miller isn’t a terrible defender. He’s good at guarding the Thistlewoods and Shackels of the world. And according to Smith he’s banged up. Alston is another class, and for some reason we didn’t put either of our two best on ball defenders on him.

Alston averaged 24.5 ppg against us. Boise averaged 80 as a team. We didn’t play to our strengths on defense. We dared Alston to beat us for some reason, and he did.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » February 20th, 2021, 6:46 am

Not sure who guards Kijab if we put bean on Alston. But can see the point with Anthony potentially guarding him.

bigblue · Post by **bigblue** » February 20th, 2021, 9:17 am

I hope everyone got some rest. What a depressing thread. Glad I was sitting down on the crapper for it.

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Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » February 20th, 2021, 12:45 pm

Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2021, 10:58 pm
Tough loss(es), but our guys will bounce back. Losing Worster hurts. Boise is a really good team and it was in their home floor.

I'm afraid there won't be anything to bounce back to. We are most certainly out of consideration for an at large bid. And if there is no conference tournament, there is no auto- bid to be had. I doubt there will be an NIT this year.

oleblu111 · Post by **oleblu111** » February 20th, 2021, 1:55 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 12:45 pm

Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2021, 10:58 pm
Tough loss(es), but our guys will bounce back. Losing Worster hurts. Boise is a really good team and it was in their home floor.
I'm afraid there won't be anything to bounce back to. We are most certainly out of consideration for an at large bid. And if there is no conference tournament, there is no auto- bid to be had. I doubt therteame will be an NIT this year.

One thing for certain is there is no lack of opinions on this board. We had those that posted how Trevin should get more time because he is close to Quetta in ability, Ashworth should play as much a Worster, and this nugget folks told me than we would miss Sam but have a better overall .team just how wrong can we be ?

The truth is we lost to a team with better players. I see no need to call out either players or coach's as far as effort goes perhaps we need to recruit better .

Post by **ProvoAggie** » February 20th, 2021, 2:06 pm

Yossarian wrote:
Mr. Sneelock wrote: ↑
February 19th, 2021, 10:58 pm
Tough loss(es), but our guys will bounce back. Losing Worster hurts. Boise is a really good team and it was in their home floor.
I'm afraid there won't be anything to bounce back to. We are most certainly out of consideration for an at large bid. And if there is no conference tournament, there is no auto- bid to be had. I doubt there will be an NIT this year.

There will be a conference tournament, there will be an auto bid and they've already announced that they are doing the NIT with 16 teams but no auto bids.

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WannabeAgAlum · Post by **WannabeAgAlum** » February 20th, 2021, 10:01 pm

Out coached by this. Haunting.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » February 20th, 2021, 10:15 pm

WannabeAgAlum wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 10:01 pm
Out coached by this. Haunting.

Looks happy to see you.

JonnyCienPesos · Post by **JonnyCienPesos** » February 20th, 2021, 10:17 pm

If we are “out-coached” in every game we lose, does Smith out-coach every team he beats? Or does it not work that way?

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WannabeAgAlum · Post by **WannabeAgAlum** » February 20th, 2021, 10:37 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 10:17 pm
If we are “out-coached” in every game we lose, does Smith out-coach every team he beats? Or does it not work that way?

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Who knows. I don't.

Of course you and I know wins/losses are a simple and generally accepted measure of coaching performance.

WannabeAgAlum · Post by **WannabeAgAlum** » February 20th, 2021, 10:47 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 10:15 pm

WannabeAgAlum wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 10:01 pm
Out coached by this. Haunting.

Looks happy to see you.

Haha yes. In my nightmares.

Seriously next time USU plays BSU that pic should be in locker room to motivate everyone.

I have it on good authority that Queta saw said picture just before tipoff of both games.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » February 21st, 2021, 1:22 am

WannabeAgAlum wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 10:37 pm

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 10:17 pm
If we are “out-coached” in every game we lose, does Smith out-coach every team he beats? Or does it not work that way?

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Who knows. I don't.

Of course you and I know wins/losses are a simple and generally accepted measure of coaching performance.

Yep at the end of the day you are what your record is. Smith is a great coach, but does deserve some criticism for not being able to put forth a defensive plan to stop Boise State in the second half. It felt like I was watching an NBA all star game with how Boise State was scoring with ease.

GUS · Post by **GUS** » February 21st, 2021, 9:48 am

I don't think Smith was out coached as much as the whole team was out talented.

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » February 21st, 2021, 9:52 am

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 10:17 pm
If we are “out-coached” in every game we lose, does Smith out-coach every team he beats? Or does it not work that way?

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It's simply an easy heuristic to go to as a casual fan. When the football team doesn't produce offensively "terrible play-calling" is a similar shallow observation. It doesn't require much thought to say you were "out-coached" after a loss, that's why it's always thrown around here.

In this case, we were missing our starting PG for both games and Boise played about as well as they possibly could in game 2. They shot 74% in the second half, as has been noted. They were simply better than we were. It happens.

coolag · Post by **coolag** » February 21st, 2021, 10:28 am

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 10:17 pm
If we are “out-coached” in every game we lose, does Smith out-coach every team he beats? Or does it not work that way?

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Of course it works that way. That's why coaches make the money they do.

ususports · Post by **ususports** » February 21st, 2021, 11:25 am

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 10:17 pm
If we are “out-coached” in every game we lose, does Smith out-coach every team he beats? Or does it not work that way?

I think it is pretty well documented on this board how much praise there is for Coach Smith when things are going well, so you already have your answer.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » February 21st, 2021, 11:33 am

ususports wrote: ↑
February 21st, 2021, 11:25 am

JonnyCienPesos wrote: ↑
February 20th, 2021, 10:17 pm
If we are “out-coached” in every game we lose, does Smith out-coach every team he beats? Or does it not work that way?
I think it is pretty well documented on this board how much praise there is for Coach Smith when things are going well, so you already have your answer.

Yep. Smith deserves a ton of credit for what he has done these past 3 years. I'm a huge Craig Smith fan. Love that he is the coach and hope he is at USU a long time. That doesn't mean he is immune from ever being criticized. Our defense was bad in the second half on Friday night. As the coach, he deserves his share of the blame for us not being able to stop Boise.

GUS · Post by **GUS** » February 21st, 2021, 1:10 pm

Our defense was bad partly due to the fact that we are not as athletic as bsu.

Aggie formerly in Hawaii · Post by **Aggie formerly in Hawaii** » February 21st, 2021, 1:21 pm

GUS wrote: ↑
February 21st, 2021, 1:10 pm
Our defense was bad partly due to the fact that we are not as athletic as bsu.

Partly due to that, partly due to them making incredible shots they normally don't make, partly due to many things. However, a free pass shouldn't be given when Boise State scores 51 points in a half and shoots 74% from the field. I don't have their whole season's stats in front of me and I don't care to look it up, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was Boise State's best half of the season. People are right to criticize the defense in the second half and the coach shares responsibility in that.

ususports · Post by **ususports** » February 21st, 2021, 4:59 pm

GUS wrote: ↑
February 21st, 2021, 1:10 pm
Our defense was bad partly due to the fact that we are not as athletic as bsu.

Stew Morrill’s coaching record was one of the worst in USU history because his teams were not as athletic as the competition, am I right?

GUS · Post by **GUS** » February 21st, 2021, 7:11 pm

When Stew built up his winning record, we weren't playing teams with the talent that SDSU, Boise or CSU have. Think more along the lines of Weber St. or Fullerton St. This team would be undefeated in a lesser conference. In the MWC we regularly play teams with potential NBA players. That was a rare occurrence in the Big West or WAC.

bpd · Post by **bpd** » February 21st, 2021, 7:27 pm

A lot of Stew’s team, at least early on were very athletic. Troy Rolle, Toraino Johnson, Curtis Bobb, Bernard Rock, Shaw Daniels, Brennan Ray, Mark Brown, Cardell Butler, Jason Williams, Dion Bailey, Ronnie Ross, Desmond Penigar, Dimitri Jorssen, etc...

ususports · Post by **ususports** » February 21st, 2021, 7:37 pm

GUS wrote: ↑
February 21st, 2021, 7:11 pm
When Stew built up his winning record, we weren't playing teams with the talent that SDSU, Boise or CSU have. Think more along the lines of Weber St. or Fullerton St. This team would be undefeated in a lesser conference. In the MWC we regularly play teams with potential NBA players. That was a rare occurrence in the Big West or WAC.

Yep, all of the Utah (many of which made deep runs into the NCAA tournament) and BYU teams, and the Ohio State team we beat, as well as that Kansas team we lost by 3 points (with a chance to tie at the end) were far less athletic than anything we or Fullerton State ever had. I understand your point, but anyone who can’t see what Stew did with far less talent and athleticism is blind. Coaching and leadership matters more than people recognize, and in many cases, can offset lack of talent and athleticism.

oleblu111 · Post by **oleblu111** » February 21st, 2021, 7:51 pm

ususports wrote: ↑
February 21st, 2021, 7:37 pm

GUS wrote: ↑
February 21st, 2021, 7:11 pm
When Stew built up his winning record, we weren't playing teams with the talent that SDSU, Boise or CSU have. Think more along the lines of Weber St. or Fullerton St. This team would be undefeated in a lesser conference. In the MWC we regularly play teams with potential NBA players. That was a rare occurrence in the Big West or WAC.
Yep, all of the Utah (many of which made deep runs into the NCAA tournament) and BYU teams, and the Ohio State team we beat, as well as that Kansas team we lost by 3 points (with a chance to tie at the end) were far less athletic than anything we or Fullerton State ever had. I understand your point, but anyone who can’t see what Stew did with far less talent and athleticism is blind. Coaching and leadership matters more than people recognize, and in many cases, can offset lack of talent and athleticism.

Stew had many teams with very good athletic player's.A very important part of coaching is recruiting quality kids that can improve with coaching Stew was very good at that As much as I like Stew he did not light it up in the big dance as I recall, but good teams never the less, and the conference we play in is much better.

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