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Re: At-large watch

Post by MalAgua » March 7th, 2021, 9:16 am

I hate to say it, but objectively, if Boise St loses to SDSU and we lose to SDSU after, I think the committee will still take Boise St. I don’t like it, but I think that’s how it would shake out. I don’t think 3 MWC teams get in, they would rather see 7 crappy ACC teams play because that gets more eyes (read: money)



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Re: At-large watch

Post by utaggies » March 7th, 2021, 9:57 am

MalAgua wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 9:16 am
I hate to say it, but objectively, if Boise St loses to SDSU and we lose to SDSU after, I think the committee will still take Boise St. I don’t like it, but I think that’s how it would shake out. I don’t think 3 MWC teams get in, they would rather see 7 crappy ACC teams play because that gets more eyes (read: money)
A key difference will be that we will have needed to beat a higher ranked team (CSU) to get to the finals than BSU would need to beat (Nevada) to get to the semi-finals. The optics of us losing to BSU twice is not good. But I think we still would get the nod over BSU under the circumstance you presented. The scoring differential could also play into it. But then again, I thought we’d get into the NCAA tourney even after a loss to Cal State Northridge back in the Bog West days.

Let’s win our next three games and we won’t need to worry about what the committee may do.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by MalAgua » March 7th, 2021, 10:52 am

utaggies wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 9:57 am
MalAgua wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 9:16 am
I hate to say it, but objectively, if Boise St loses to SDSU and we lose to SDSU after, I think the committee will still take Boise St. I don’t like it, but I think that’s how it would shake out. I don’t think 3 MWC teams get in, they would rather see 7 crappy ACC teams play because that gets more eyes (read: money)
A key difference will be that we will have needed to beat a higher ranked team (CSU) to get to the finals than BSU would need to beat (Nevada) to get to the semi-finals. The optics of us losing to BSU twice is not good. But I think we still would get the nod over BSU under the circumstance you presented. The scoring differential could also play into it. But then again, I thought we’d get into the NCAA tourney even after a loss to Cal State Northridge back in the Bog West days.

Let’s win our next three games and we won’t need to worry about what the committee may do.
Yeah, I recognize that argument, and agree that it is a good one. But I still just don’t think that the committee cares. Boise St got more national coverage this season and we lost to them twice, I really think that’s all they’ll look at.

Agrees though, hope we can just win out.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by Blitz79 » March 7th, 2021, 11:14 am

I actually think its going to be us or CSU. The one that wins that game gets the bid. If BSU beats SDSU then it gets interesting.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by scotlandog » March 7th, 2021, 11:16 am

In the past, since the start of the NET, the NET ranking has been a pretty good indicator for what the committee will do. With that said, there are quite a few teams being considered that are behind us in the NET. I take some comfort in that. Based on NET, there should be 3 MWC teams in with CSU being the one left out.

My gut feel is if we beat CSU and play SDSU in the final, we are in. In that case, I think SDSU and USU are in. Boise is on the fringe, could be 50/50. If we lose not in the final, we are out.


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Re: At-large watch

Post by SweepDance » March 7th, 2021, 12:18 pm

Assuming USU and CSU both make the semis it looks to be an elimination game. The winner remains on the bubble and gets a quality win while the loser can only hope for the NIT.



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Post by El Sapo » March 7th, 2021, 12:20 pm

Ahhh, what is more common. Announcers saying that we are the tallest team, or that we are out of the tourney?

And 9-10 teams go in from the big 10. Yea, that's legit. :headscratch:



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Re: At-large watch

Post by Yossarian » March 7th, 2021, 12:24 pm

Has there ever been a year where you can remember that USU was an absolute lock for an at large bid? I don't ever remember feeling like "we're in" after not having won the auto- bid.

It's just part of being an Aggie fan.
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Re: At-large watch

Post by pilotaggie » March 7th, 2021, 12:25 pm

SweepDance wrote:Assuming USU and CSU both make the semis it looks to be an elimination game. The winner remains on the bubble and gets a quality win while the loser can only hope for the NIT.
I agree here the only other option I see would be Trucker U winning it all. In that case USU/CSU are both out and that semi game doesn't matter.

I will continue to contend that no MWC gets an NIT invite.

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Re: At-large watch

Post by pilotaggie » March 7th, 2021, 12:26 pm

Yossarian wrote:Has there ever been a year where you can remember that USU was an absolute lock for an at large bid? I don't ever remember feeling like "we're in" after not having won the auto- bid.

It's just part of being an Aggie fan.
The year we were ranked in the BW I felt like we were a lock...

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Re: At-large watch

Post by Yossarian » March 7th, 2021, 12:27 pm

pilotaggie wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 12:26 pm
Yossarian wrote:Has there ever been a year where you can remember that USU was an absolute lock for an at large bid? I don't ever remember feeling like "we're in" after not having won the auto- bid.

It's just part of being an Aggie fan.
The year we were ranked in the BW I felt like we were a lock...

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The year we didn't get an invite?


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Re: At-large watch

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » March 7th, 2021, 12:31 pm

Yossarian wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 12:24 pm
Has there ever been a year where you can remember that USU was an absolute lock for an at large bid? I don't ever remember feeling like "we're in" after not having won the auto- bid.

It's just part of being an Aggie fan.
Two years ago we obviously got the auto-bid, but we were safely in even had we lost to SDSU, but otherwise no. The years we got at-large bids we were 12 seeds and barely in and of course 2004 we didn't get in.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by Yossarian » March 7th, 2021, 12:33 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 12:31 pm
Yossarian wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 12:24 pm
Has there ever been a year where you can remember that USU was an absolute lock for an at large bid? I don't ever remember feeling like "we're in" after not having won the auto- bid.

It's just part of being an Aggie fan.
Two years ago we obviously got the auto-bid, but we were safely in even had we lost to SDSU, but otherwise no. The years we got at-large bids we were 12 seeds and barely in and of course 2004 we didn't get in.
I didn't ever feel like we were safely in. I would have been nervous in selection sunday two years ago. Fortunately we got the auto bid.
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Re: At-large watch

Post by El Sapo » March 7th, 2021, 12:40 pm

Seems like there is always early hype about the MWC seeds. Kind of like, SURPRISE! There are good teams in the MWC! Then the numbers set in on the other conferences, who isn't getting in if we do, and we're right back to 1 or 2 seeds coming out of the MW.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by ineptimusprime » March 7th, 2021, 12:43 pm

There’s not really been a year in the NET ranking era where more than two MW teams were worthy. This is the first year, so it’s hard to know how this’ll shake out.

And Houston beat Memphis.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by SwaggieAggie » March 7th, 2021, 12:59 pm

Final prediction before the tourney..

SDSU - 7 seed
USU - 10 seed (autobid)
CSU - 11 seed play-in game (last 4 in)
BSU - First four out.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by Aggiealum13 » March 7th, 2021, 3:12 pm

Drake lost. I wonder how far down they'll go in at-large consideration.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by slcagg » March 7th, 2021, 3:26 pm

They lost to a top 20 or so net team. They won’t drop that much.



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Post by QuackAttackAggie » March 7th, 2021, 4:06 pm

I'm curious what they'll do with Colgate. I assume they don't get a bid despite being 8 in net. They'll probably win their tournament anyway against all the other teams who played 9 games all year against 2 other teams.


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Re: At-large watch

Post by Aggiealum13 » March 7th, 2021, 4:54 pm

We can forget Michigan State being a bubble team that we could potentially pass. They just upset Michigan. They're solidly in the tournament.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by utaggies » March 7th, 2021, 5:10 pm

pilotaggie wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 12:25 pm
SweepDance wrote:Assuming USU and CSU both make the semis it looks to be an elimination game. The winner remains on the bubble and gets a quality win while the loser can only hope for the NIT.
I agree here the only other option I see would be Trucker U winning it all. In that case USU/CSU are both out and that semi game doesn't matter.

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Re: At-large watch

Post by utaggies » March 7th, 2021, 5:13 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 4:54 pm
We can forget Michigan State being a bubble team that we could potentially pass. They just upset Michigan. They're solidly in the tournament.
MSU was #72 in the NET. Jumping into the #45 range, even with a win over Michigan won’t be possible unless the Spartans collect a couple of other impressive wins in the Big-10 tournament. But they are now certainly in the discussion.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by GameFAQSAggie » March 7th, 2021, 5:22 pm

Yossarian wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 12:24 pm
Has there ever been a year where you can remember that USU was an absolute lock for an at large bid? I don't ever remember feeling like "we're in" after not having won the auto- bid.

It's just part of being an Aggie fan.
In 2004, the experts weren't calling us a bubble team, they were calling us a lock. After we lost to Cal State Northridge in the semi-finals, the experts weren't saying it would keep us out, they were saying it was bad news for the bubble teams cause we were a lock.



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Post by scotlandog » March 7th, 2021, 5:41 pm

utaggies wrote:
Aggiealum13 wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 4:54 pm
We can forget Michigan State being a bubble team that we could potentially pass. They just upset Michigan. They're solidly in the tournament.
MSU was #72 in the NET. Jumping into the #45 range, even with a win over Michigan won’t be possible unless the Spartans collect a couple of other impressive wins in the Big-10 tournament. But they are now certainly in the discussion.
They were already considered among the “last 4 in”. With this win they are now solidly in. A loss may have dropped them behind us, maybe. This win makes it so we can’t jump them without some equivalent win, i.e. SDSU in the championship, which makes it all moot anyways.


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Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » March 7th, 2021, 7:52 pm

Aggiealum13 wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 4:54 pm
We can forget Michigan State being a bubble team that we could potentially pass. They just upset Michigan. They're solidly in the tournament.
But at least Memphis lost to remain on the wrong side of the bubble.



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Post by utaggies » March 7th, 2021, 8:34 pm

Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 7:52 pm
Aggiealum13 wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 4:54 pm
We can forget Michigan State being a bubble team that we could potentially pass. They just upset Michigan. They're solidly in the tournament.
But at least Memphis lost to remain on the wrong side of the bubble.
Having played Houston close on Houston’s home court (Houston hit a 3-pointer as the game ended) I’ll bet Memphis’ NET actually increases from their current ranking of #53.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by pilotaggie » March 7th, 2021, 9:39 pm

utaggies wrote:
pilotaggie wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 12:25 pm
SweepDance wrote:Assuming USU and CSU both make the semis it looks to be an elimination game. The winner remains on the bubble and gets a quality win while the loser can only hope for the NIT.
I agree here the only other option I see would be Trucker U winning it all. In that case USU/CSU are both out and that semi game doesn't matter.

I will continue to contend that no MWC gets an NIT invite.

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Post by utaggies » March 7th, 2021, 9:48 pm

pilotaggie wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 9:39 pm
utaggies wrote:
pilotaggie wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 12:25 pm
SweepDance wrote:Assuming USU and CSU both make the semis it looks to be an elimination game. The winner remains on the bubble and gets a quality win while the loser can only hope for the NIT.
I agree here the only other option I see would be Trucker U winning it all. In that case USU/CSU are both out and that semi game doesn't matter.

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Post by tysteve20 » March 7th, 2021, 10:51 pm

utaggies wrote:
Aggiealum13 wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 4:54 pm
We can forget Michigan State being a bubble team that we could potentially pass. They just upset Michigan. They're solidly in the tournament.
MSU was #72 in the NET. Jumping into the #45 range, even with a win over Michigan won’t be possible unless the Spartans collect a couple of other impressive wins in the Big-10 tournament. But they are now certainly in the discussion.
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Re: At-large watch

Post by Yossarian » March 7th, 2021, 10:58 pm

I think everyone is pretty much in agreement that the entire Big 10 conference should be in the NCAA tournament.


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Re: At-large watch

Post by utaggies » March 8th, 2021, 7:25 am

utaggies wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 8:34 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 7:52 pm
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March 7th, 2021, 4:54 pm
We can forget Michigan State being a bubble team that we could potentially pass. They just upset Michigan. They're solidly in the tournament.
But at least Memphis lost to remain on the wrong side of the bubble.
Having played Houston close on Houston’s home court (Houston hit a 3-pointer as the game ended) I’ll bet Memphis’ NET actually increases from their current ranking of #53.
With their losses yesterday, here’s how their NET rankings were affected:
- Memphis went from #53 to #52
- Drake went from #40 to #47
- Michigan remained at #3
- Florida went from #28 to #29
- Texas Tech went from #10 to #17
- Wisconsin went from #25 to #26

The big winners were:
- Michigan State going from #72 to #67
- Penn St. (10-13) going from #48 to #40
- Loyola going from #16 to #10

By virtue of Penn St. beating Maryland (15-12) on the road, both BSU and USU dropped one place in the ranking to, respectively, #43 and #48. CSU remained at #50.
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Re: At-large watch

Post by NowhereLandAggie » March 8th, 2021, 7:35 am

Yossarian wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 12:24 pm
Has there ever been a year where you can remember that USU was an absolute lock for an at large bid? I don't ever remember feeling like "we're in" after not having won the auto- bid.

It's just part of being an Aggie fan.
2004.

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Post by Stormblessed » March 8th, 2021, 9:40 am

I just wish they would put a cap on the number of teams from a conference. I get that the #7 team in the ACC or #8 team in the Big10 is probably better than winner of the Northeast conference or the winner of the Southland conference, but I have felt like if you are finishing somewhere near the middle of your conference you shouldn't be rewarded with a chance to to play for the national championship. I feel like capping it at like 6 teams max per conference would be more than fair. It just seems ridiculous even if the Big-10 is really good to be giving bids to teams that finished in the bottom half of their conference.
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Post by frankiesaysrelax » March 8th, 2021, 10:40 am

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March 8th, 2021, 9:40 am
I just wish they would put a cap on the number of teams from a conference. I get that the #7 team in the ACC or #8 team in the Big10 is probably better than winner of the Northeast conference or the winner of the Southland conference, but I have felt like if you are finishing somewhere near the middle of your conference you shouldn't be rewarded with a chance to to play for the national championship. I feel like capping it at like 6 teams max per conference would be more than fair. It just seems ridiculous even if the Big-10 is really good to be giving bids to teams that finished in the bottom half of their conference.
At least do it like bowl games and make it so you can’t be under .500 and make it. 10-13 is not a tournament team. I don’t care what conference you are in.



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Re: At-large watch

Post by Aggie84025 » March 8th, 2021, 10:44 am

utaggies wrote:
March 8th, 2021, 7:25 am
utaggies wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 8:34 pm
Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 7:52 pm
Aggiealum13 wrote:
March 7th, 2021, 4:54 pm
We can forget Michigan State being a bubble team that we could potentially pass. They just upset Michigan. They're solidly in the tournament.
But at least Memphis lost to remain on the wrong side of the bubble.
Having played Houston close on Houston’s home court (Houston hit a 3-pointer as the game ended) I’ll bet Memphis’ NET actually increases from their current ranking of #53.
With their losses yesterday, here’s how their NET rankings were affected:
- Memphis went from #53 to #52
- Drake went from #40 to #47
- Michigan remained at #3
- Florida went from #28 to #29
- Texas Tech went from #10 to #17
- Wisconsin went from #25 to #26

The big winners were:
- Michigan State going from #72 to #67
- Penn St. (10-13) going from #48 to #40
- Loyola going from #16 to #10

By virtue of Penn St. beating Maryland (15-12) on the road, both BSU and USU dropped one place in the ranking to, respectively, #43 and #48. CSU remained at #50.
I know the BIG 10 is a great conference, but if a team is 3 games under .500 they do not deserve an at large bid in my opinion.



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