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Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Sl7vk » May 12th, 2021, 11:19 am

I'm a fan of coach Smith, but things are falling apart fast in Salt Lake.

He's lost all but 4 athletes to the portal, and his additions have been Worster, Anthony and a Juco guy that averaged 9 points a game. The schools he's losing guys to are solid P5 schools... or us, which is better than a solid P5 school.... :)

This thing could spiral quickly and his personality isn't going to be enough to turn things around. I could easily see 2 or 3 years in Salt Lake ending prematurely for Smith.



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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Aggie702 » May 12th, 2021, 11:34 am

Haha, it's a bit premature to call it a train wreck. It's been a month and a half. Yes, the early signs aren't great but he still has time to bring in additional players.

But even if it does prove to be a train wreck, he has $18MM guaranteed, so he's set for life. Hard to feel bad for him given that.
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by NVAggie » May 12th, 2021, 11:38 am

He turned us around in his first year. That was after losing the greatest player in USU history. There is still plenty of time to put together a team with talent. He also has a transfer portal with a lot of talent left. This may be a premature thread.
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by newhouse9 » May 12th, 2021, 11:50 am

Who did we lose before Craig's first season that was the greatest player?



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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Bank Shot » May 12th, 2021, 11:52 am

newhouse9 wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 11:50 am
Who did we lose before Craig's first season that was the greatest player?
Probably sarcastically (I hope) the guy that's a Weber State, via Marquette, via USU.



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Post by ineptimusprime » May 12th, 2021, 11:52 am

The greatest Aggie to ever end up at Weber St. — Koby McEwen.
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by newhouse9 » May 12th, 2021, 11:59 am

Bank Shot wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 11:52 am
newhouse9 wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 11:50 am
Who did we lose before Craig's first season that was the greatest player?
Probably sarcastically (I hope) the guy that's a Weber State, via Marquette, via USU.
That must be it.



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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Bank Shot » May 12th, 2021, 12:03 pm

Worst case scenario for Craig is follow his mentor Miles route. Get canned, collect a couple of years of ridiculous buyout money, while doing a cushy TV gig, and then landing on your feet again at a mid-major and still be making close of a mil a year. BTW...if stars by recruits name mean anything Miles is killing it at SJSU. Landed another P5 transfer from Old Miss. 6'11 dude that was recruited heavily out of HS.
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by nswaggie » May 12th, 2021, 12:04 pm

I think by end of recruiting cycle he will have enough on his roster to be middle of the road PAC 12 in combination with his coaching. I wouldn’t call that train wreck. Im curious if he is going to be able to recruit to get them to the next level. I think he kind of struck gold with Quetta not to mention Merrill handed to him on a platter. I’m not sure he can strike gold again without beating out other P5’s. Quetta was kind of an under the radar recruit IMO. Can he go get a player that all his peers also want? I’m also skeptical of his ability to recruit, but time will tell.



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Post by Bank Shot » May 12th, 2021, 12:09 pm

I'm wondering if his practice of not offering until there is an official visit is even more risky this year, since visits are still off limits until June 1. The guys he's recruited were all familiar to either him or his staff, except perhaps the JC guy.



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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Real Life Aggie » May 12th, 2021, 12:15 pm

He won't do worse than Krysto, lol.
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by LarryTheAggie » May 12th, 2021, 12:20 pm

Real Life Aggie wrote:
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He won't do worse than Krysto, lol.
I mean Krysto did get to the sweet 16 and have 1st round draft picks in 3 years, but sure.



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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Real Life Aggie » May 12th, 2021, 12:23 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 12:20 pm
Real Life Aggie wrote:
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He won't do worse than Krysto, lol.
I mean Krysto did get to the sweet 16 and have 1st round draft picks in 3 years, but sure.
Pay enough recruits illegally and you can get that sort of stuff done.
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by aggies22 » May 12th, 2021, 12:28 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 11:19 am
I'm a fan of coach Smith, but things are falling apart fast in Salt Lake.

He's lost all but 4 athletes to the portal, and his additions have been Worster, Anthony and a Juco guy that averaged 9 points a game. The schools he's losing guys to are solid P5 schools... or us, which is better than a solid P5 school.... :)

This thing could spiral quickly and his personality isn't going to be enough to turn things around. I could easily see 2 or 3 years in Salt Lake ending prematurely for Smith.
They did add that dude from UNLV as well.
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Post by Ok Aggie Fan » May 12th, 2021, 12:38 pm

I give it several years before jumping to that conclusion.
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Pacobag » May 12th, 2021, 12:58 pm

Just googled the U roster which indicates:
2 from USU
1 from UNLV
1 from Cincinnati
7 retained (some are probably walk-ons)

Yes he needs more, but I think it’s too early to tell.



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Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by CaptainChaos » May 12th, 2021, 1:22 pm

Just for the sake of being devils advocate- maybe Smith wanted to clean house and he actually encouraged a few of those guys to come to USU. Maybe he has a few big time guys in his sights.
I don’t think this is the case, but I also don’t think Smith wants to screw USU over. I don’t wish him any Ill will anymore- admittedly I did at first. I wish him plenty of success against everyone but us.


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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by LarryTheAggie » May 12th, 2021, 1:25 pm

CaptainChaos wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 1:22 pm
Just for the sake of being devils advocate- maybe Smith wanted to clean house and he actually encouraged a few of those guys to come to USU. Maybe he has a few big time guys in his sights.
I don’t think this is the case, but I also don’t think Smith wants to screw USU over. I don’t wish him any Ill will anymore- admittedly I did at first. I wish him plenty of success against everyone but us.


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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Sl7vk » May 12th, 2021, 1:37 pm

Pacobag wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 12:58 pm
Just googled the U roster which indicates:
2 from USU
1 from UNLV
1 from Cincinnati
7 retained (some are probably walk-ons)

Yes he needs more, but I think it’s too early to tell.
Center Branden Carlson — Still in program

Guard Jaxon Brenchley — Still in program

Forward Riley Battin — Entered transfer portal, then returned

Center Lahat Thioune — Entered transfer portal, then returned

Guard Pelle Larsson — Transferring to Arizona

Forward Timmy Allen — Transferring to Texas

Guard Ian Martinez — Transferring to Maryland

Guard Alfonso Plummer — Transferring to Illinois

Guard Jordan Kellier — Transferring to Sienna

Guard Brendan Wenzel — Transferring to Wyoming

Forward Norbert Thelissen — Transferring to Utah State (signed in 2020, didn’t play due to eligibility issues)

Forward Mikael Jantunen — Turning professional in Europe

Guard Rylan Jones — Entered transfer portal, transferred to Utah State

https://www.deseret.com/2021/5/11/22428 ... -transfers



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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Aggie in Boise » May 12th, 2021, 1:43 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 1:37 pm
Pacobag wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 12:58 pm
Just googled the U roster which indicates:
2 from USU
1 from UNLV
1 from Cincinnati
7 retained (some are probably walk-ons)

Yes he needs more, but I think it’s too early to tell.
Center Branden Carlson — Still in program

Guard Jaxon Brenchley — Still in program

Forward Riley Battin — Entered transfer portal, then returned

Center Lahat Thioune — Entered transfer portal, then returned

Guard Pelle Larsson — Transferring to Arizona

Forward Timmy Allen — Transferring to Texas

Guard Ian Martinez — Transferring to Maryland

Guard Alfonso Plummer — Transferring to Illinois

Guard Jordan Kellier — Transferring to Sienna

Guard Brendan Wenzel — Transferring to Wyoming

Forward Norbert Thelissen — Transferring to Utah State (signed in 2020, didn’t play due to eligibility issues)

Forward Mikael Jantunen — Turning professional in Europe

Guard Rylan Jones — Entered transfer portal, transferred to Utah State

https://www.deseret.com/2021/5/11/22428 ... -transfers
He could have easily prevented Jones and Martinez from leaving by retaining their Dads. Had he rehired Larry he might have been able to retain the entire team?
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Sl7vk » May 12th, 2021, 1:50 pm

I'm not saying Smith is at fault here, I'm just saying this thing is looking more and more like a wreck.



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Post by BustaMcNutt » May 12th, 2021, 1:59 pm

To be fair, a lot of people thought our situation was a train wreck a couple weeks ago. Next year may very well be a train wreck for him, but there’s still a lot of time left and a lot of players available. Fans aren’t a very patient bunch. Must be fun being a coach.
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by mcaggie1 » May 12th, 2021, 2:19 pm

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May 12th, 2021, 11:38 am
He turned us around in his first year. That was after losing the greatest player in USU history. There is still plenty of time to put together a team with talent. He also has a transfer portal with a lot of talent left. This may be a premature thread.
“Greatest player in USU history?” That would require a hot debate. Let’s back down to the premise of Last 20 years and that would be reasonable.



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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Pacobag » May 12th, 2021, 2:36 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 1:37 pm
Pacobag wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 12:58 pm
Just googled the U roster which indicates:
2 from USU
1 from UNLV
1 from Cincinnati
7 retained (some are probably walk-ons)

Yes he needs more, but I think it’s too early to tell.
Center Branden Carlson — Still in program

Guard Jaxon Brenchley — Still in program

Forward Riley Battin — Entered transfer portal, then returned

Center Lahat Thioune — Entered transfer portal, then returned

Guard Pelle Larsson — Transferring to Arizona

Forward Timmy Allen — Transferring to Texas

Guard Ian Martinez — Transferring to Maryland

Guard Alfonso Plummer — Transferring to Illinois

Guard Jordan Kellier — Transferring to Sienna

Guard Brendan Wenzel — Transferring to Wyoming

Forward Norbert Thelissen — Transferring to Utah State (signed in 2020, didn’t play due to eligibility issues)

Forward Mikael Jantunen — Turning professional in Europe

Guard Rylan Jones — Entered transfer portal, transferred to Utah State

https://www.deseret.com/2021/5/11/22428 ... -transfers
Thanks, the article mentions that 3 of the 7 returning are walk-ons.

“ Walk-ons Harrison Creer (Olympus), Jack Jamele (Palos Verdes, California) and Eli Ballstaedt (Wasatch) also remain on the roster.

For now.”
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by Real Life Aggie » May 12th, 2021, 2:37 pm

mcaggie1 wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 2:19 pm
NVAggie wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 11:38 am
He turned us around in his first year. That was after losing the greatest player in USU history. There is still plenty of time to put together a team with talent. He also has a transfer portal with a lot of talent left. This may be a premature thread.
“Greatest player in USU history?” That would require a hot debate. Let’s back down to the premise of Last 20 years and that would be reasonable.
He's making a joke about how Koby McEwen said he wanted to be the greatest Aggie of all time, then transferred.



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Post by Mr. Sneelock » May 12th, 2021, 2:46 pm

It certainly isn't looking great for Smith so far. Obviously a lot can change, but I wouldn't be terribly optimistic at this point if I were a Ute fan.
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Post by Chupamedia » May 12th, 2021, 3:22 pm

First year coaches all see a lot of change and most of it isn’t stellar. I’m not saying it was a good hire by Utah, but I would not jump to train wreck in two months without knowing the final roster or playing one game.



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Post by aggieguy13 » May 12th, 2021, 3:54 pm

I don't know guys, Craig just beat out Idaho, Portland State, North Texas, Louisiana Tech and Iona for the services of a guy who scored 9 points a game and played 24 minutes a game in JuCo, so you are all going to look pretty silly here soon.
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Post by Ok Aggie Fan » May 12th, 2021, 4:23 pm

Two to three years before declaring his hire a teain wreck.



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Post by Blitz79 » May 12th, 2021, 5:04 pm

I mean, if his roster had a bunch of super low major recruits at a P5 school then yeah, I would call it a train wreck. Right now, he just has some work to do.



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Post by ViAggie » May 12th, 2021, 5:27 pm

I said it before; Smith is bringing in MWC level talent to Utah while Odom is bringing in PAC-12 level talent to USU! :lol:
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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by stang » May 12th, 2021, 7:15 pm

This is stupid. It may not be immediate, but Smith is going to do very, very well at Utah. He's an unbelievable coach, and he's had success literally every single place that he's been as a coach. I hate Utah as much as the next guy, but he was a very good hire for them.
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Post by Aggie in Boise » May 12th, 2021, 7:30 pm

Sl7vk wrote:
May 12th, 2021, 1:50 pm
I'm not saying Smith is at fault here, I'm just saying this thing is looking more and more like a wreck.
I'm not concerned with who's at fault I just hope that the University of Utah's basketball program ends up being a train wreck rather than just LOOKING like one.
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Post by Aggie in Boise » May 12th, 2021, 7:39 pm

stang wrote:
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This is stupid. It may not be immediate, but Smith is going to do very, very well at Utah. He's an unbelievable coach, and he's had success literally every single place that he's been as a coach. I hate Utah as much as the next guy, but he was a very good hire for them.
I agree with everything you said about Smith but I HOPE you're wrong about him doing very, very well at Utah.


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Re: Smith hire looking like a train wreck for the U

Post by elcheque2 » May 12th, 2021, 8:11 pm

This is a bad take.. Smith is a heck of a coach. He'll get the guys who fit his system and the Utes will punch well above there weight next season... Just like we did the last three seasons.

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