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Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by AgsRock » August 16th, 2021, 4:46 pm

The Grizzlies traded Eric Beldsoe today to the Clippers for three players. Does this help or hurt Sam Merrill's chances of making the team? Thoughts?



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by AGGIEinIOWA » August 16th, 2021, 5:02 pm

The three coming in are Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo; and Daniel Oturu. Two guards and a center.
At first blush you wouldn’t think this would be to Sam’s benefit but who knows what other roster moves they have in store.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by SSaggie » August 16th, 2021, 11:19 pm

Neither Beverly nor Rondo can hit the broadside of a barn so Sam should have an advantageous trait there. Not sure about the third guy.

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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by tysteve20 » August 17th, 2021, 9:46 am

Beverly has now been traded to the Twolves for Jarret Culver (guard) and Juancho Hernangomez (forward)


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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by 918AGG » August 17th, 2021, 10:47 am

tysteve20 wrote:
August 17th, 2021, 9:46 am
Beverly has now been traded to the Twolves for Jarret Culver (guard) and Juancho Hernangomez (forward)


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So I think that adding only Rondo won't be a problem for Sam's potential playing time. Rondo, infamously, cannot shoot the rock. Rondo's also injured/upset/resting 99.3573% of the time.

Also, I'm not sure what the Grizz see in Culver. He's the bustiest bust that ever did bust. Would much rather have Bev than Culver and Juancho.


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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by TrueAG » August 17th, 2021, 10:53 am

Sam's in a number crunch. Griz have too many guys. I hope he doesn't get squeezed. Hollinger predicts he does.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by ThunderAggie » August 17th, 2021, 10:55 am

If he does get cut, hopefully he did good enough in summer league to make another roster. I’d love my Raptors to pick him up or the Jazz!



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by gomretat » August 17th, 2021, 12:54 pm

Obviously I hope Sam makes it but I think he has his work cut out for him. He will have to have a strong camp or some other Grizzly trades to not be a G league guy. It felt bad to me as soon as the Bucks brought in Bryant.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by Aglicious » August 17th, 2021, 1:54 pm

I've been lurking on a couple of different Grizzly boards and their fans share the same outlook. Not a single comment about being impressed with him and most expect him to be relagated to the G-league or be cut altogether.

I thought there might be some excitement about his recent game(s) but they seem far more interested in the potential of Ziaire Williams... even though he has stunk it up.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by AggieFBObsession » August 17th, 2021, 4:53 pm

As I understand it, Beverly was traded recently to get some salary cap space. So this is what their projected roster would look like.
Starting Lineup: Ja (PG), Melton (SG) Brooks, (SF), Jackson Jr. (PF), Adams (C)
Bench: Tyus Jones (PG), Desmond Bane (SG), Ziaire Williams (SF), Kyle Anderson (PF) or Brandon Clarke (PF) and Xavier Tillman (C)
3rd Strings: Sam Merrill (PG), John Konchar (SG), Santi Aldama (PF), Daniel Oturu (C)
Two Way: Yves Pons
Conclusion: Sam will be fine, 15 players on roster and one two way is possible for an NBA team.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by ShowMeAggie » August 17th, 2021, 5:37 pm

AggieFBObsession wrote:
August 17th, 2021, 4:53 pm
As I understand it, Beverly was traded recently to get some salary cap space. So this is what their projected roster would look like.
Starting Lineup: Ja (PG), Melton (SG) Brooks, (SF), Jackson Jr. (PF), Adams (C)
Bench: Tyus Jones (PG), Desmond Bane (SG), Ziaire Williams (SF), Kyle Anderson (PF) or Brandon Clarke (PF) and Xavier Tillman (C)
3rd Strings: Sam Merrill (PG), John Konchar (SG), Santi Aldama (PF), Daniel Oturu (C)
Two Way: Yves Pons
Conclusion: Sam will be fine, 15 players on roster and one two way is possible for an NBA team.
i don't see Culver on this list. what are you suggesting will happen to him? he was a lottery pick just two years ago; i don't see them cutting him loose so soon. Culver staying may mean Sammy gets shown the door...



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by Aglicious » August 17th, 2021, 6:04 pm

ShowMeAggie wrote:
August 17th, 2021, 5:37 pm
AggieFBObsession wrote:
August 17th, 2021, 4:53 pm
As I understand it, Beverly was traded recently to get some salary cap space. So this is what their projected roster would look like.
Starting Lineup: Ja (PG), Melton (SG) Brooks, (SF), Jackson Jr. (PF), Adams (C)
Bench: Tyus Jones (PG), Desmond Bane (SG), Ziaire Williams (SF), Kyle Anderson (PF) or Brandon Clarke (PF) and Xavier Tillman (C)
3rd Strings: Sam Merrill (PG), John Konchar (SG), Santi Aldama (PF), Daniel Oturu (C)
Two Way: Yves Pons
Conclusion: Sam will be fine, 15 players on roster and one two way is possible for an NBA team.
i don't see Culver on this list. what are you suggesting will happen to him? he was a lottery pick just two years ago; i don't see them cutting him loose so soon. Culver staying may mean Sammy gets shown the door...
Killian Tillie just signed a 2-way contract last week as well.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by Floppy Hat » August 17th, 2021, 6:17 pm

With the Beverley to the Timberwolves trade, Memphis has to get rid of three players:



Because they are bringing back two players for Beverley, they have to get rid of one of them before they can finalize the trade:



Unfortunately, the math doesn't look like its on Sam's side. Hopefully they are working on another trade that will make room for Sam.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » August 17th, 2021, 8:13 pm

Merrill will be in the G League next year or possibly Europe. I wouldn't begrudge him at all for going the Nico Mannion route and taking more money overseas than playing in the G League. That is if Memphis waives him. If they keep him on the Hustle under contract, obviously that will be what he does.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by ineptimusprime » August 17th, 2021, 8:23 pm

Sam should try to find a two-way if it’s true those now pay $400,000+



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by AggieFBObsession » August 18th, 2021, 3:49 am

The Grizzlies have too many PFs/Cs right now. Aldama sucks. I don't see how they keep him on their roster. G-league is my guess. Culver is an SF, fwiw.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by gomretat » August 18th, 2021, 8:44 am

According to Tony Jones the Griz picked up Sam's option so as far as I can tell his 1.5 mil is guaranteed this year no matter what happens.
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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by Usu0505 » August 18th, 2021, 8:58 am

gomretat wrote:According to Tony Jones the Griz picked up Sam's option so as far as I can tell his 1.5 mil is guaranteed this year no matter what happens.
This is what I thought too.


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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by ineptimusprime » August 18th, 2021, 9:21 am

Jazz should trade Bogey for Kyle Anderson and DeAnthony Melton to help the Grizz out.

Would be a good trade for both teams.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » August 18th, 2021, 9:51 am

Either way, I hope Sam makes a bunch of money the next ten years playing, then comes back and gets into coaching. I had high hopes for Spencer Nelson, but Craig Smith ruined that too.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by Aggie formerly in Hawaii » August 18th, 2021, 10:33 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
August 18th, 2021, 9:51 am
Either way, I hope Sam makes a bunch of money the next ten years playing, then comes back and gets into coaching. I had high hopes for Spencer Nelson, but Craig Smith ruined that too.
I could see that happen. Merrill is a very smart player on top of being a very skilled one.

As for Nelson, Craig Smith was right to bring in his own staff as all coaches should have the right to do.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by 3rdGenAggie » August 18th, 2021, 10:34 am

ineptimusprime wrote:
August 18th, 2021, 9:21 am
Jazz should trade Bogey for Kyle Anderson and DeAnthony Melton to help the Grizz out.

Would be a good trade for both teams.
Interesting idea. Are either of them known as good defenders? Stat sheets don't say much in that direction, but they'd have to be solid. Bogey isn't an amazing defender, but he's passable. Melton and Anderson aren't as good offensively, so their defense would need to be very good in order to make up for losing Bogey's offense.

I worry that Melton's 3-pt shooting last year was an aberration. He shot a WAY higher percentage on more attempts than the previous 2 years. It's rare that a 10% jump in one off-season ends up being permanent, but it could be.

I do like Kyle Anderson. He's only got 1 year left on his deal, but I think he could fill the Joe Ingles role once Joe retires. He's not as good of a shooter (very few are), but he can run an offense and is big like Joe (bigger, in fact).


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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by aggieref » August 25th, 2021, 2:01 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/2 ... -McDermott

Now more likely that Sam stays in Memphis
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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by tysteve20 » August 28th, 2021, 3:23 pm

Rondo bought out by the grizz. I don’t think Sam is going anywhere.


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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by aggieguy13 » September 3rd, 2021, 10:36 am

Are the Grizzlies aware that roster limits exist?



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by treesap32 » September 3rd, 2021, 11:32 am

aggieguy13 wrote:
September 3rd, 2021, 10:36 am
Are the Grizzlies aware that roster limits exist?
With that trade they are currently at 20 players on the roster. They'll need to cut it down to 15 by the start of the season.

https://www.nba.com/grizzlies/roster

Who gets cut?



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by AgsRock » September 3rd, 2021, 12:10 pm

Yikes, Sam will not survive a cut of five more players.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by AgsRock » September 3rd, 2021, 12:11 pm

Man the Memphis Grizzlies front office is wheeling and dealing.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by aggieguy13 » September 3rd, 2021, 12:58 pm

It's almost futile to make any guesses now since it's a near certainty that there will be more trades to come, but as it stands now:

Yves Pons is on an Exhibit 10 deal and Killian Tillie is on a two-way contract, so they won't be on the 15-man roster.
My best guess is that Sam, Kris Dunn, Carsen Edwards, and Daniel Oturu will be fighting for the last spot. I bet Sam could beat out Edwards and Oturu but beating out Dunn would be tough, so here's hoping for some roster-clearing moves in the next few weeks.



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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by aggieguy13 » September 24th, 2021, 1:42 pm

aggieguy13 wrote:
September 3rd, 2021, 12:58 pm
It's almost futile to make any guesses now since it's a near certainty that there will be more trades to come, but as it stands now:

Yves Pons is on an Exhibit 10 deal and Killian Tillie is on a two-way contract, so they won't be on the 15-man roster.
My best guess is that Sam, Kris Dunn, Carsen Edwards, and Daniel Oturu will be fighting for the last spot. I bet Sam could beat out Edwards and Oturu but beating out Dunn would be tough, so here's hoping for some roster-clearing moves in the next few weeks.

So far so good on the prediction, roster is now down to 16. It's probably Sam vs. Kris Dunn for the final spot, though I'm sure Memphis is trying to see if they can get any future second round picks for either of them or maybe some others on the roster (Tyus Jones?) rather than just cutting them.
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Re: Another Memphis Grizzlies Trade

Post by MarioWest » September 24th, 2021, 2:08 pm

FWIW, Dunn looked awful when he was forced into duty for the Hawks in the playoffs. It was a tough spot after missing so much of the season, but he essentially couldn’t dribble. And he could never shoot.

Unless Dunn has gotten back to his pre-injury Bulls form, Sam is pretty clearly the better option.
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