One of the plays that killed us.

SLB · Post by **SLB** » November 9th, 2021, 10:22 pm

Was Bean not seeing a wide open Shulga under the hoop. Easy pass and layup missed.

Ahbye · Post by **Ahbye** » November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm

That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 9th, 2021, 10:33 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:22 pm
Was Bean not seeing a wide open Shulga under the hoop. Easy pass and layup missed.

The reality is, in a buy game at home against a team like UC-Davis, there shouldn’t even be a thread about “that one play.” This is a game a competent MW team wins by double digits.

The fact that didn’t happen spells disaster for the season.

coolag · Post by **coolag** » November 9th, 2021, 10:54 pm

How about Brick Millers pull up 3 from about 5 feet behind the arc while all 4 other Aggies were in the backcourt? I'd say that was a killer and worthy of getting your a$$ chewed and sat on the bench for the rest of the game.

Goose74 · Post by **Goose74** » November 9th, 2021, 10:58 pm

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.

Ummmmmm being a double double is a good thing, right!?

Goose74 · Post by **Goose74** » November 9th, 2021, 10:59 pm

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.

Ummmmmm being a double double is a good thing, right!?

coolag wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:54 pm
How about Brick Millers pull up 3 from about 5 feet behind the arc while all 4 other Aggies were in the backcourt? I'd say that was a killer and worthy of getting your a$$ chewed and sat on the bench for the rest of the game.

Yes!! Thank you!! Killed the momentum, and lost our chance to cut the lead. Bench him.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 9th, 2021, 11:01 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:59 pm

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.
Ummmmmm being a double double is a good thing, right!?
coolag wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:54 pm
How about Brick Millers pull up 3 from about 5 feet behind the arc while all 4 other Aggies were in the backcourt? I'd say that was a killer and worthy of getting your a$$ chewed and sat on the bench for the rest of the game.
Yes!! Thank you!! Killed the momentum, and lost our chance to cut the lead. Bench him.

Great, so all we need to do is bench Brock and play the transfer wing that should have gotten Zee Hamoda’s scholarship.

Brock really is the best option, and that’s fine if you have the right players to pair with him.

I really thought Eytle-Rock and Jones would be able to create shots for themselves and others. That didn’t happen tonight.

Goose74 · Post by **Goose74** » November 9th, 2021, 11:02 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:01 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:59 pm

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.
Ummmmmm being a double double is a good thing, right!?
coolag wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:54 pm
How about Brick Millers pull up 3 from about 5 feet behind the arc while all 4 other Aggies were in the backcourt? I'd say that was a killer and worthy of getting your a$$ chewed and sat on the bench for the rest of the game.
Yes!! Thank you!! Killed the momentum, and lost our chance to cut the lead. Bench him.
Great, so all we need to do is bench Brock and play the transfer wing that should have gotten Zee Hamoda’s scholarship.

Short answer? Yes. Bench the Bricker.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 9th, 2021, 11:03 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:02 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:01 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:59 pm

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.
Ummmmmm being a double double is a good thing, right!?
coolag wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:54 pm
How about Brick Millers pull up 3 from about 5 feet behind the arc while all 4 other Aggies were in the backcourt? I'd say that was a killer and worthy of getting your a$$ chewed and sat on the bench for the rest of the game.
Yes!! Thank you!! Killed the momentum, and lost our chance to cut the lead. Bench him.
Great, so all we need to do is bench Brock and play the transfer wing that should have gotten Zee Hamoda’s scholarship.
Short answer? Yes. Bench the Bricker.

Sure, but who you playing in his spot?

SLB · Post by **SLB** » November 9th, 2021, 11:06 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:03 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:02 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:01 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:59 pm

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.
Ummmmmm being a double double is a good thing, right!?
coolag wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:54 pm
How about Brick Millers pull up 3 from about 5 feet behind the arc while all 4 other Aggies were in the backcourt? I'd say that was a killer and worthy of getting your a$$ chewed and sat on the bench for the rest of the game.
Yes!! Thank you!! Killed the momentum, and lost our chance to cut the lead. Bench him.
Great, so all we need to do is bench Brock and play the transfer wing that should have gotten Zee Hamoda’s scholarship.
Short answer? Yes. Bench the Bricker.
Sure, but who you playing in his spot?

We need Shulga there.

Goose74 · Post by **Goose74** » November 9th, 2021, 11:09 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:03 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:02 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:01 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:59 pm

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.
Ummmmmm being a double double is a good thing, right!?
coolag wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:54 pm
How about Brick Millers pull up 3 from about 5 feet behind the arc while all 4 other Aggies were in the backcourt? I'd say that was a killer and worthy of getting your a$$ chewed and sat on the bench for the rest of the game.
Yes!! Thank you!! Killed the momentum, and lost our chance to cut the lead. Bench him.
Great, so all we need to do is bench Brock and play the transfer wing that should have gotten Zee Hamoda’s scholarship.
Short answer? Yes. Bench the Bricker.
Sure, but who you playing in his spot?

cdaAg · Post by **cdaAg** » November 9th, 2021, 11:20 pm

I thought that one moment that killed is was the substitution with 11 or 12 minutes to go in the first half. That killed the rest of the half. A single play here or there was not the issue. The conglomerate of all bad started there. It didn't end for 20+ minutes of game time.

WAAggie · Post by **WAAggie** » November 10th, 2021, 4:03 pm

I’ve not seen enough to understand the Shulga love. What am I missing? What has he done to get the love?

How about the gimme layups several missed. This are more key than bean missing 1 pass.

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Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » November 10th, 2021, 4:06 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:22 pm
Was Bean not seeing a wide open Shulga under the hoop. Easy pass and layup missed.

That was a recurring theme last night.

GUS · Post by **GUS** » November 10th, 2021, 4:35 pm

Why the hate on Hamoda? That was his first minutes in a college game. He's a player we need to develop before he contributes much. Same goes for Zapala. My biggest disappointment was with Eytle-Rock. He's slow for his size, a bit of a turnover machine and not a particularly good shooter. He seems more like a Big Sky recruit than a MWC recruit. There had to be a better 2/3 guard available than him.

bpd · Post by **bpd** » November 10th, 2021, 4:41 pm

RJ is going to be fine. He was second on the team in assists. He will shoot better. Lets get at least 10 games in before we start our scouting reports.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » November 10th, 2021, 4:47 pm

bpd wrote: ↑
November 10th, 2021, 4:41 pm
RJ is going to be fine. He was second on the team in assists. He will shoot better. Lets get at least 10 games in before we start our scouting reports.

At-large berths to the NCAA tournament are decided in these 10 games.

utaggies · Post by **utaggies** » November 10th, 2021, 5:30 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
November 10th, 2021, 4:47 pm

bpd wrote: ↑
November 10th, 2021, 4:41 pm
RJ is going to be fine. He was second on the team in assists. He will shoot better. Lets get at least 10 games in before we start our scouting reports.
At-large berths to the NCAA tournament are decided in these 10 games.

That ship has sailed. In fact it never got out of the dry dock. The NCAA tourney is not a realistic goal this year and it wasn’t even before last night’s game. I would be thrilled with an NIT bid, but that will require at least a 4th place finish in the conference. That will be a huge accomplishment for a new coach and a cobbled-together team.

Coloraggie · Post by **Coloraggie** » November 10th, 2021, 9:35 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:06 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:03 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:02 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 11:01 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:59 pm

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.
Ummmmmm being a double double is a good thing, right!?
coolag wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:54 pm
How about Brick Millers pull up 3 from about 5 feet behind the arc while all 4 other Aggies were in the backcourt? I'd say that was a killer and worthy of getting your a$$ chewed and sat on the bench for the rest of the game.
Yes!! Thank you!! Killed the momentum, and lost our chance to cut the lead. Bench him.
Great, so all we need to do is bench Brock and play the transfer wing that should have gotten Zee Hamoda’s scholarship.
Short answer? Yes. Bench the Bricker.
Sure, but who you playing in his spot?
We need Shulga there.

Not the game to be touting Shulga. With his performance we would have lost 72-0. Brock got us going out the gate and then got benched when he was going good. We were up 17-5 and then Bean went out with fouls and we had substitutions and became a turnover and missed layup machine. A few of those missed layups could have kept momentum going and stopped the team from puckering. Also need better FT shooting for a stretch 4.

I hope Shulga does better but so far I've seen him have one good game against good competition, a bunch of bad games against good competition and a bunch of meh games against sub-par competition. I really hope he gains confidence because we need better than 0fer for Shulga the rest of the season.

Ahbye · Post by **Ahbye** » November 10th, 2021, 9:47 pm

Goose74 wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:58 pm

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.
Ummmmmm being a double double is a good thing, right!?

Read the whole post. When Bean doesn't try to be the leading scorer, he's been a double-double guy and we've won games. When he's tried to be the leading scorer, he gets a double-double and we are more prone to losing. He'll always get the double-double, but we want him to do it in such a way that we optimize everybody's skills and win more games.

Mr. Sneelock · Post by **Mr. Sneelock** » November 10th, 2021, 10:17 pm

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.

Bean is not a primary scoring option. That isn't his game. His game is hustle, getting points and rebounds from being hard-nosed and opportunistic. He is a great complementary player and glue guy. If they try to force him into being the lead dog offensively, I think it takes away a lot of what makes him good. It is fitting a square peg into a round hole.

aggies95 · Post by **aggies95** » November 11th, 2021, 10:57 am

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.

He was 6th on the team in FGA/40 minutes against UC-D. He had 5 offensive rebounds and 13 total rebounds. I don't share your concern about him forcing things or abandoning what has made him so successful.

Pacobag · Post by **Pacobag** » November 11th, 2021, 12:19 pm

aggies95 wrote: ↑
November 11th, 2021, 10:57 am

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.
He was 6th on the team in FGA/40 minutes against UC-D. He had 5 offensive rebounds and 13 total rebounds. I don't share your concern about him forcing things or abandoning what has made him so successful.

I agree, although I still cringe a bit when he shoots a 3 pointer.

Some Bean shooting stats from utahstateaggies.com:
2021-2022 (only 1 game) FG% is 50%, 3PT% is 33% (1/3), 2PT% is 57% (4/7)
2020-2021 FG% was 52%, 3PT% was 24% (10/42), 2PT% was 57% (121/211)
2019-2020 FG% was 52%, 3PT% was 28% (8/29), 2PT% was 54% (147/270)
2018-2019 FG% was 51%, 3PT% was 17% (1/6), 2PT% was 54% (43/80)

That puts his USU career 3PT% at 25% (20/80) which yields equivalent points as a 37.5% 2PT%. His USU career 2PT% is 55%. I don't think the occasional 3 point shot by Justin has any notable positive impact on spacing if the opposition has done any basic scouting. He is much more effective around the basket and with his mid range game. I'm sure he can improve his 3 point shooting, but unless he makes a significant jump to about 35%, I would rather he didn't take any.

afausu · Post by **afausu** » November 11th, 2021, 9:56 pm

GUS wrote:Why the hate on Hamoda? That was his first minutes in a college game. He's a player we need to develop before he contributes much. Same goes for Zapala. My biggest disappointment was with Eytle-Rock. He's slow for his size, a bit of a turnover machine and not a particularly good shooter. He seems more like a Big Sky recruit than a MWC recruit. There had to be a better 2/3 guard available than him.

Zapala? I’m sorry, but it’s just not going to happen. He is not good at basketball.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 11th, 2021, 10:06 pm

afausu wrote: ↑
November 11th, 2021, 9:56 pm

GUS wrote:Why the hate on Hamoda? That was his first minutes in a college game. He's a player we need to develop before he contributes much. Same goes for Zapala. My biggest disappointment was with Eytle-Rock. He's slow for his size, a bit of a turnover machine and not a particularly good shooter. He seems more like a Big Sky recruit than a MWC recruit. There had to be a better 2/3 guard available than him.
Zapala? I’m sorry, but it’s just not going to happen. He is not good at basketball.

I wish I had faith in Zapala and I truly hope he finds his way in an Aggie uniform, but he is one player that should probably be counselled out at the end of the season.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » November 11th, 2021, 10:15 pm

GUS wrote: ↑
November 10th, 2021, 4:35 pm
Why the hate on Hamoda? That was his first minutes in a college game. He's a player we need to develop before he contributes much. Same goes for Zapala. My biggest disappointment was with Eytle-Rock. He's slow for his size, a bit of a turnover machine and not a particularly good shooter. He seems more like a Big Sky recruit than a MWC recruit. There had to be a better 2/3 guard available than him.

Not meant to be hate on Hamoda. I just would have preferred Odom had used the scholarship that went to him on an immediate impact player, not a developmental guy.

Pacobag · Post by **Pacobag** » November 21st, 2021, 5:25 pm

Pacobag wrote: ↑
November 11th, 2021, 12:19 pm

aggies95 wrote: ↑
November 11th, 2021, 10:57 am

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.
He was 6th on the team in FGA/40 minutes against UC-D. He had 5 offensive rebounds and 13 total rebounds. I don't share your concern about him forcing things or abandoning what has made him so successful.
I agree, although I still cringe a bit when he shoots a 3 pointer.

Some Bean shooting stats from utahstateaggies.com:
2021-2022 (only 1 game) FG% is 50%, 3PT% is 33% (1/3), 2PT% is 57% (4/7)
2020-2021 FG% was 52%, 3PT% was 24% (10/42), 2PT% was 57% (121/211)
2019-2020 FG% was 52%, 3PT% was 28% (8/29), 2PT% was 54% (147/270)
2018-2019 FG% was 51%, 3PT% was 17% (1/6), 2PT% was 54% (43/80)

That puts his USU career 3PT% at 25% (20/80) which yields equivalent points as a 37.5% 2PT%. His USU career 2PT% is 55%. I don't think the occasional 3 point shot by Justin has any notable positive impact on spacing if the opposition has done any basic scouting. He is much more effective around the basket and with his mid range game. I'm sure he can improve his 3 point shooting, but unless he makes a significant jump to about 35%, I would rather he didn't take any.

Yep, quoting myself….

Bean is now 9/15 (60%) from 3 on the season. Pretty amazing thus far!

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » November 21st, 2021, 5:43 pm

Pacobag wrote: ↑
November 21st, 2021, 5:25 pm

Pacobag wrote: ↑
November 11th, 2021, 12:19 pm

aggies95 wrote: ↑
November 11th, 2021, 10:57 am

Ahbye wrote: ↑
November 9th, 2021, 10:26 pm
That's because we've led Bean to believe he's supposed to be a primary scoring option. He's always been an enabler who gets us second chances and whatnot. Irony is that if he'd re-embrace that role he'd be a double-double guy AND we'd win more games. As it stands, he's just a double-double guy.
He was 6th on the team in FGA/40 minutes against UC-D. He had 5 offensive rebounds and 13 total rebounds. I don't share your concern about him forcing things or abandoning what has made him so successful.
I agree, although I still cringe a bit when he shoots a 3 pointer.

Some Bean shooting stats from utahstateaggies.com:
2021-2022 (only 1 game) FG% is 50%, 3PT% is 33% (1/3), 2PT% is 57% (4/7)
2020-2021 FG% was 52%, 3PT% was 24% (10/42), 2PT% was 57% (121/211)
2019-2020 FG% was 52%, 3PT% was 28% (8/29), 2PT% was 54% (147/270)
2018-2019 FG% was 51%, 3PT% was 17% (1/6), 2PT% was 54% (43/80)

That puts his USU career 3PT% at 25% (20/80) which yields equivalent points as a 37.5% 2PT%. His USU career 2PT% is 55%. I don't think the occasional 3 point shot by Justin has any notable positive impact on spacing if the opposition has done any basic scouting. He is much more effective around the basket and with his mid range game. I'm sure he can improve his 3 point shooting, but unless he makes a significant jump to about 35%, I would rather he didn't take any.
Yep, quoting myself….

Bean is now 9/15 (60%) from 3 on the season. Pretty amazing thus far!

His threes have been awesome. He has not forced them they have been within the offense. He has been special so far this year.

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