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Well then we're sick, and we're sick in a bad way.
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Uh yeah, I beat you both to it. Did you not watch the video?
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I’ll confess that I didn’t watch. My bad hahahipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑January 21st, 2022, 6:45 pmUh yeah, I beat you both to it. Did you not watch the video?
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All that clip splicing for nothingUStateTim wrote: ↑January 21st, 2022, 6:48 pmI’ll confess that I didn’t watch. My bad hahahipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑January 21st, 2022, 6:45 pmUh yeah, I beat you both to it. Did you not watch the video?
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I guess I’m just wondering why the venereal disease is mentioned in the clip…
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Professional athletesflying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑January 21st, 2022, 8:37 pmI guess I’m just wondering why the venereal disease is mentioned in the clip…
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If we are sticking with the theme of The Natural, then we need a middle-aged ball player, who supposed to retire at his age, to walk through the door and save the team.
How about Jaycee Carroll?
How about Jaycee Carroll?
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As frustrating as things have been, had a few things played out differently in the offseason I think we would have avoided all these brutal close losses and been right in the thick of it again:
(1) not using a scholarship on Dorius/counseling out Zapala. Look, you can make the case he earned the scholarship with his play, but we needed scholarships to sign a true big last offseason to try to replace Queta. Rolling into the season with Dorius and Zapala as our only true bigs was not a smart decision. And Odom’s hand was basically forced on this by Smith offering Dorius. If you’re gonna give Dorius the scholarship, you gotta show Zapala the door. One of those things needed to happen for us to sign a big.
(2) Brock Miller medically retiring. I like Brock and I appreciate what he’s done here. If he had been playing, I think we’d be at least .500 in conference right now. But I think he should have hung it up last year for his own good and for the good of the team. Him not being able to play this year is pretty much my worst fears realized off what I thought could happen if he came back. It would have been nice to have been able to have used his scholarship on a wing that was actually going to be healthy enough to play.
I think a starter level 5 and a starter level wing that was actually healthy enough to play would have made up the 3 pt margins we are seeing in our losses and turned them into wins.
Neither of those are really on Odom (Smith gave Dorius the scholarship, and Odom wasn’t really in a position to tell Brock to retire), but it’s frustrating nonetheless seeing how close the losses have been,
This offseason will likely make or break the Odom era. Let’s hope he’s up for it.
(1) not using a scholarship on Dorius/counseling out Zapala. Look, you can make the case he earned the scholarship with his play, but we needed scholarships to sign a true big last offseason to try to replace Queta. Rolling into the season with Dorius and Zapala as our only true bigs was not a smart decision. And Odom’s hand was basically forced on this by Smith offering Dorius. If you’re gonna give Dorius the scholarship, you gotta show Zapala the door. One of those things needed to happen for us to sign a big.
(2) Brock Miller medically retiring. I like Brock and I appreciate what he’s done here. If he had been playing, I think we’d be at least .500 in conference right now. But I think he should have hung it up last year for his own good and for the good of the team. Him not being able to play this year is pretty much my worst fears realized off what I thought could happen if he came back. It would have been nice to have been able to have used his scholarship on a wing that was actually going to be healthy enough to play.
I think a starter level 5 and a starter level wing that was actually healthy enough to play would have made up the 3 pt margins we are seeing in our losses and turned them into wins.
Neither of those are really on Odom (Smith gave Dorius the scholarship, and Odom wasn’t really in a position to tell Brock to retire), but it’s frustrating nonetheless seeing how close the losses have been,
This offseason will likely make or break the Odom era. Let’s hope he’s up for it.
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Agreed, the big glaring need is the 5, followed by a scorer at guard. But I don’t think Odom gets Horvath here without the guarantee of a starting role and at the time Bean playing 3 seemed ridiculous cause of his 3 pt shooting.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 6:31 amAs frustrating as things have been, had a few things played out differently in the offseason I think we would have avoided all these brutal close losses and been right in the thick of it again:
(1) not using a scholarship on Dorius/counseling out Zapala. Look, you can make the case he earned the scholarship with his play, but we needed scholarships to sign a true big last offseason to try to replace Queta. Rolling into the season with Dorius and Zapala as our only true bigs was not a smart decision. And Odom’s hand was basically forced on this by Smith offering Dorius. If you’re gonna give Dorius the scholarship, you gotta show Zapala the door. One of those things needed to happen for us to sign a big.
(2) Brock Miller medically retiring. I like Brock and I appreciate what he’s done here. If he had been playing, I think we’d be at least .500 in conference right now. But I think he should have hung it up last year for his own good and for the good of the team. Him not being able to play this year is pretty much my worst fears realized off what I thought could happen if he came back. It would have been nice to have been able to have used his scholarship on a wing that was actually going to be healthy enough to play.
I think a starter level 5 and a starter level wing that was actually healthy enough to play would have made up the 3 pt margins we are seeing in our losses and turned them into wins.
Neither of those are really on Odom (Smith gave Dorius the scholarship, and Odom wasn’t really in a position to tell Brock to retire), but it’s frustrating nonetheless seeing how close the losses have been,
This offseason will likely make or break the Odom era. Let’s hope he’s up for it.
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I don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.
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Dorius is a really solid backup for 10-15 minutes a game. Zapala should be counselled out this year. There is no room for 2 backup centers.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 amI don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.
Against teams with effective centers I would like to see the lineup of Dorius, Bean, Horvath, RJER, and Jones or Ashworth more often. Have Horvath play the 3 and allow him to use his length against shorter and less stronger players. Him at a 5 against strong centers is not a good recipe.
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Hopefully our coaching staff doesn't share your same pessimism with recruiting great players in the post. They probably do.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 amI don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.
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Don’t hate Dorius, but he is an average backup 5 that should play 10-15 minutes a night at best.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 amI don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.
Zapala is very much in over his head in the MW.
And everyone likes what Bairstow has been doing lately. Lone bright spot in 2022 for USU Basketball.
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So far Odom’s been able to recruit two of his own players, a local kid that fell into his lap (Falslev), and two seeming duds (Thelissen and Zee).coolag wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 9:59 amHopefully our coaching staff doesn't share your same pessimism with recruiting great players in the post. They probably do.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 amI don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.
I bet they are feeling pretty pessimistic about recruiting right now. Some have suggested that Odom’s assistants aren’t great recruiters. Not sure if that’s speculation or inside info.
I do think it was a mistake to not bring in an assistant with Utah/Western ties… One was rumored, but it never happened…
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If he is Brock Miller, I would ask his opinion on this thread: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=60989aggiesdidwhat wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 10:46 amSLB, honest question. Are you Miller? Or are you family of Miller?
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aggiesdidwhat wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 10:46 amSLB, honest question. Are you Miller? Or are you family of Miller?
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I hate him. Don't know why, but I just (I can't express myself without swearing) hate him. I hate him, I hate his hair, I hate his smile, his shoes. His (I can't express myself without swearing) finger nails. My wife hates him because she hears me yelling his name during games, after games, during commercials, during dinner, during church. "How's that (I can't express myself without swearing) prick Dorius doing tonight?" she'll ask me in an irritated tone while angrily throwing a cold stick of butter at the window. I (I can't express myself without swearing) hate him and everything he stands for. He is everything that is wrong with college basketball.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 10:02 amDon’t hate Dorius, but he is an average backup 5 that should play 10-15 minutes a night at best.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 amI don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.
Zapala is very much in over his head in the MW.
And everyone likes what Bairstow has been doing lately. Lone bright spot in 2022 for USU Basketball.
Felt good to get that off my chest.
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Has anyone seen SLB and Miller in the same room at the same time?coolag wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 11:22 amaggiesdidwhat wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 10:46 amSLB, honest question. Are you Miller? Or are you family of Miller?
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I was excited for all the hype from Thelissen, but you're right... he hasn't shown anything yet. I wouldn't give up on Zee yet though. Kid has shown flashes of brilliance and I think with experience could be a good piece for us.ineptimusprime wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 10:08 amSo far Odom’s been able to recruit two of his own players, a local kid that fell into his lap (Falslev), and two seeming duds (Thelissen and Zee).coolag wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 9:59 amHopefully our coaching staff doesn't share your same pessimism with recruiting great players in the post. They probably do.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 amI don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.
I bet they are feeling pretty pessimistic about recruiting right now. Some have suggested that Odom’s assistants aren’t great recruiters. Not sure if that’s speculation or inside info.
I do think it was a mistake to not bring in an assistant with Utah/Western ties… One was rumored, but it never happened…
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My biggest concern is that I haven't seen much development from anyone on the team. With our previously successful coaches, there was improvement from the beginning of the year into conference play. I am willing to accept that injuries may have derailed some of that improvement, but these younger players are getting some time and looking subpar. I hope that Odom shows he can recruit over our current roster. We need a couple of high impact players. If he can't get some of those then he will fail at USU.
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Bairstow has improved a lot from last year to this year. As has Bean. Not sure how much the coach had to do with it, but those guys have made huge strides.NVAggie wrote: ↑January 24th, 2022, 9:29 amMy biggest concern is that I haven't seen much development from anyone on the team. With our previously successful coaches, there was improvement from the beginning of the year into conference play. I am willing to accept that injuries may have derailed some of that improvement, but these younger players are getting some time and looking subpar. I hope that Odom shows he can recruit over our current roster. We need a couple of high impact players. If he can't get some of those then he will fail at USU.
If you're speaking on in-season improvements, yes... we've definitely been on a downward trend since getting embarrassed by Air Force.