Losing is a disease

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » January 21st, 2022, 4:00 pm

Well then we're sick, and we're sick in a bad way.

Aggie in Boise · Post by **Aggie in Boise** » January 21st, 2022, 4:34 pm

It's like

UStateTim · Post by **UStateTim** » January 21st, 2022, 5:40 pm

SLB · Post by **SLB** » January 21st, 2022, 6:34 pm

UStateTim wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 5:40 pm

Someone beat me to it.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » January 21st, 2022, 6:45 pm

Uh yeah, I beat you both to it. Did you not watch the video?

UStateTim · Post by **UStateTim** » January 21st, 2022, 6:48 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 6:45 pm
Uh yeah, I beat you both to it. Did you not watch the video?

I’ll confess that I didn’t watch. My bad haha

UStateTim · Post by **UStateTim** » January 21st, 2022, 6:52 pm

If only we had a Roy Hobbs waiting on the bench to turn our season around! Is Cade Potter that guy??

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » January 21st, 2022, 6:54 pm

UStateTim wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 6:48 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 6:45 pm
Uh yeah, I beat you both to it. Did you not watch the video?
I’ll confess that I didn’t watch. My bad haha

All that clip splicing for nothing

SLB · Post by **SLB** » January 21st, 2022, 7:01 pm

UStateTim wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 6:52 pm
If only we had a Roy Hobbs waiting on the bench to turn our season around! Is Cade Potter that guy??

Brock Miller is the one since this is it for Miller.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » January 21st, 2022, 8:37 pm

I guess I’m just wondering why the venereal disease is mentioned in the clip…

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » January 21st, 2022, 8:50 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 8:37 pm
I guess I’m just wondering why the venereal disease is mentioned in the clip…

Professional athletes

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 21st, 2022, 9:58 pm

If we are sticking with the theme of The Natural, then we need a middle-aged ball player, who supposed to retire at his age, to walk through the door and save the team.

How about Jaycee Carroll?

SSaggie · Post by **SSaggie** » January 21st, 2022, 10:39 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote:

Savage. Hit the nail on the head.

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ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » January 22nd, 2022, 6:31 am

As frustrating as things have been, had a few things played out differently in the offseason I think we would have avoided all these brutal close losses and been right in the thick of it again:

(1) not using a scholarship on Dorius/counseling out Zapala. Look, you can make the case he earned the scholarship with his play, but we needed scholarships to sign a true big last offseason to try to replace Queta. Rolling into the season with Dorius and Zapala as our only true bigs was not a smart decision. And Odom’s hand was basically forced on this by Smith offering Dorius. If you’re gonna give Dorius the scholarship, you gotta show Zapala the door. One of those things needed to happen for us to sign a big.
(2) Brock Miller medically retiring. I like Brock and I appreciate what he’s done here. If he had been playing, I think we’d be at least .500 in conference right now. But I think he should have hung it up last year for his own good and for the good of the team. Him not being able to play this year is pretty much my worst fears realized off what I thought could happen if he came back. It would have been nice to have been able to have used his scholarship on a wing that was actually going to be healthy enough to play.

I think a starter level 5 and a starter level wing that was actually healthy enough to play would have made up the 3 pt margins we are seeing in our losses and turned them into wins.

Neither of those are really on Odom (Smith gave Dorius the scholarship, and Odom wasn’t really in a position to tell Brock to retire), but it’s frustrating nonetheless seeing how close the losses have been,

This offseason will likely make or break the Odom era. Let’s hope he’s up for it.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » January 22nd, 2022, 7:01 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 6:31 am
As frustrating as things have been, had a few things played out differently in the offseason I think we would have avoided all these brutal close losses and been right in the thick of it again:

(1) not using a scholarship on Dorius/counseling out Zapala. Look, you can make the case he earned the scholarship with his play, but we needed scholarships to sign a true big last offseason to try to replace Queta. Rolling into the season with Dorius and Zapala as our only true bigs was not a smart decision. And Odom’s hand was basically forced on this by Smith offering Dorius. If you’re gonna give Dorius the scholarship, you gotta show Zapala the door. One of those things needed to happen for us to sign a big.
(2) Brock Miller medically retiring. I like Brock and I appreciate what he’s done here. If he had been playing, I think we’d be at least .500 in conference right now. But I think he should have hung it up last year for his own good and for the good of the team. Him not being able to play this year is pretty much my worst fears realized off what I thought could happen if he came back. It would have been nice to have been able to have used his scholarship on a wing that was actually going to be healthy enough to play.

I think a starter level 5 and a starter level wing that was actually healthy enough to play would have made up the 3 pt margins we are seeing in our losses and turned them into wins.

Neither of those are really on Odom (Smith gave Dorius the scholarship, and Odom wasn’t really in a position to tell Brock to retire), but it’s frustrating nonetheless seeing how close the losses have been,

This offseason will likely make or break the Odom era. Let’s hope he’s up for it.

Agreed, the big glaring need is the 5, followed by a scorer at guard. But I don’t think Odom gets Horvath here without the guarantee of a starting role and at the time Bean playing 3 seemed ridiculous cause of his 3 pt shooting.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 am

I don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.

Aggie84025 · Post by **Aggie84025** » January 22nd, 2022, 8:58 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 am
I don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.

Dorius is a really solid backup for 10-15 minutes a game. Zapala should be counselled out this year. There is no room for 2 backup centers.
Against teams with effective centers I would like to see the lineup of Dorius, Bean, Horvath, RJER, and Jones or Ashworth more often. Have Horvath play the 3 and allow him to use his length against shorter and less stronger players. Him at a 5 against strong centers is not a good recipe.

coolag · Post by **coolag** » January 22nd, 2022, 9:59 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 am
I don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.

Hopefully our coaching staff doesn't share your same pessimism with recruiting great players in the post. They probably do.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » January 22nd, 2022, 10:02 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 am
I don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.

Don’t hate Dorius, but he is an average backup 5 that should play 10-15 minutes a night at best.

Zapala is very much in over his head in the MW.

And everyone likes what Bairstow has been doing lately. Lone bright spot in 2022 for USU Basketball.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » January 22nd, 2022, 10:08 am

coolag wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 9:59 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 am
I don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.
Hopefully our coaching staff doesn't share your same pessimism with recruiting great players in the post. They probably do.

So far Odom’s been able to recruit two of his own players, a local kid that fell into his lap (Falslev), and two seeming duds (Thelissen and Zee).

I bet they are feeling pretty pessimistic about recruiting right now. Some have suggested that Odom’s assistants aren’t great recruiters. Not sure if that’s speculation or inside info.

I do think it was a mistake to not bring in an assistant with Utah/Western ties… One was rumored, but it never happened…

aggiesdidwhat · Post by **aggiesdidwhat** » January 22nd, 2022, 10:45 am

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 3:58 pm

Hipster! Really well done!

aggiesdidwhat · Post by **aggiesdidwhat** » January 22nd, 2022, 10:46 am

SLB wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 7:01 pm

UStateTim wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 6:52 pm
If only we had a Roy Hobbs waiting on the bench to turn our season around! Is Cade Potter that guy??
Brock Miller is the one since this is it for Miller.

SLB, honest question. Are you Miller? Or are you family of Miller?

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » January 22nd, 2022, 11:19 am

aggiesdidwhat wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 10:46 am

SLB wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 7:01 pm

UStateTim wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 6:52 pm
If only we had a Roy Hobbs waiting on the bench to turn our season around! Is Cade Potter that guy??
Brock Miller is the one since this is it for Miller.
SLB, honest question. Are you Miller? Or are you family of Miller?

If he is Brock Miller, I would ask his opinion on this thread: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=60989

coolag · Post by **coolag** » January 22nd, 2022, 11:22 am

aggiesdidwhat wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 10:46 am

SLB wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 7:01 pm

UStateTim wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 6:52 pm
If only we had a Roy Hobbs waiting on the bench to turn our season around! Is Cade Potter that guy??
Brock Miller is the one since this is it for Miller.
SLB, honest question. Are you Miller? Or are you family of Miller?

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 22nd, 2022, 10:28 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 10:02 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 am
I don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.
Don’t hate Dorius, but he is an average backup 5 that should play 10-15 minutes a night at best.

Zapala is very much in over his head in the MW.

And everyone likes what Bairstow has been doing lately. Lone bright spot in 2022 for USU Basketball.

I hate him. Don't know why, but I just (I can't express myself without swearing) hate him. I hate him, I hate his hair, I hate his smile, his shoes. His (I can't express myself without swearing) finger nails. My wife hates him because she hears me yelling his name during games, after games, during commercials, during dinner, during church. "How's that (I can't express myself without swearing) prick Dorius doing tonight?" she'll ask me in an irritated tone while angrily throwing a cold stick of butter at the window. I (I can't express myself without swearing) hate him and everything he stands for. He is everything that is wrong with college basketball.

Felt good to get that off my chest.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » January 22nd, 2022, 10:33 pm

coolag wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 11:22 am

aggiesdidwhat wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 10:46 am

SLB wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 7:01 pm

UStateTim wrote: ↑
January 21st, 2022, 6:52 pm
If only we had a Roy Hobbs waiting on the bench to turn our season around! Is Cade Potter that guy??
Brock Miller is the one since this is it for Miller.
SLB, honest question. Are you Miller? Or are you family of Miller?

Has anyone seen SLB and Miller in the same room at the same time?

Post by **treesap32** » January 24th, 2022, 8:54 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 10:08 am

coolag wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 9:59 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
January 22nd, 2022, 8:45 am
I don’t understand the hate on dorius. I think he’s done a great job at the 5. In fact, he is the only reason we defended Boise at all in the paint. And I think Zapala is serviceable in other circumstances. Hobart never was a 5. He’s a 3 at best. The dude plays like he’s 6’4”. We are never getting another Queta, nor do we need one, we need guards that can hit a damn 3. 1-4 has to be able to stretch the floor. I like what Bairstow has been doing lately, but shooting under 30% from three is what’s killing us.
Hopefully our coaching staff doesn't share your same pessimism with recruiting great players in the post. They probably do.
So far Odom’s been able to recruit two of his own players, a local kid that fell into his lap (Falslev), and two seeming duds (Thelissen and Zee).

I bet they are feeling pretty pessimistic about recruiting right now. Some have suggested that Odom’s assistants aren’t great recruiters. Not sure if that’s speculation or inside info.

I do think it was a mistake to not bring in an assistant with Utah/Western ties… One was rumored, but it never happened…

I was excited for all the hype from Thelissen, but you're right... he hasn't shown anything yet. I wouldn't give up on Zee yet though. Kid has shown flashes of brilliance and I think with experience could be a good piece for us.

NVAggie · Post by **NVAggie** » January 24th, 2022, 9:29 am

My biggest concern is that I haven't seen much development from anyone on the team. With our previously successful coaches, there was improvement from the beginning of the year into conference play. I am willing to accept that injuries may have derailed some of that improvement, but these younger players are getting some time and looking subpar. I hope that Odom shows he can recruit over our current roster. We need a couple of high impact players. If he can't get some of those then he will fail at USU.

Post by **treesap32** » January 24th, 2022, 9:34 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑
January 24th, 2022, 9:29 am
My biggest concern is that I haven't seen much development from anyone on the team. With our previously successful coaches, there was improvement from the beginning of the year into conference play. I am willing to accept that injuries may have derailed some of that improvement, but these younger players are getting some time and looking subpar. I hope that Odom shows he can recruit over our current roster. We need a couple of high impact players. If he can't get some of those then he will fail at USU.

Bairstow has improved a lot from last year to this year. As has Bean. Not sure how much the coach had to do with it, but those guys have made huge strides.

If you're speaking on in-season improvements, yes... we've definitely been on a downward trend since getting embarrassed by Air Force.

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