Pope to Kentucky

SLB · Post by **SLB** » April 11th, 2024, 10:58 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 10:56 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 8:41 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 8:40 pm
After Mark Madsen, the LDS coaching pool is as shallow as a kiddie pool.

They might be screwed with their limitations.
Todd Simon would make sense for them.
Todd Simon isn't LDS.

Why so serious

bluegrouse · Post by **bluegrouse** » April 11th, 2024, 11:13 pm

Pope now the 6th highest paid coach in college basketball.

Also Pope:
9 years head coach
Zero conference championships of any kind (season or tourney)
5th place conference finishes last three years (2 in the WCC!)
Two NCAA appearances - zero wins (losses to lower seeds both times)

Crazy

Aggie702 · Post by **Aggie702** » April 11th, 2024, 11:18 pm

bluegrouse wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:13 pm
Pope now the 6th highest paid coach in college basketball.

Also Pope:
9 years head coach
Zero conference championships of any kind (season or tourney)
5th place conference finishes last three years (2 in the WCC!)
Two NCAA appearances - zero wins (losses to lower seeds both times)

Crazy

5.5MM a year! Wow.

cval · Post by **cval** » April 11th, 2024, 11:20 pm

Burgess doesn’t have head coaching experience, but he is a really solid recruiter. Careful what we wish for…..

shoresy · Post by **shoresy** » April 11th, 2024, 11:35 pm

There is zero chance they can afford Madsen's buyout. Maybe had he not signed an extension after the season, but no way they can do it now.

Scotty suggested Barrett Peery. If I were to guess, I'd guess he's the guy. Seems like the best of all the options I've heard.

Dwigt · Post by **Dwigt** » April 11th, 2024, 11:53 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:35 pm
There is zero chance they can afford Madsen's buyout. Maybe had he not signed an extension after the season, but no way they can do it now.

Scotty suggested Barrett Peery. If I were to guess, I'd guess he's the guy. Seems like the best of all the options I've heard.

I know a donor there that could cover that buyout without batting an eye.

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » April 12th, 2024, 12:14 am

Dwigt wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:53 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:35 pm
There is zero chance they can afford Madsen's buyout. Maybe had he not signed an extension after the season, but no way they can do it now.

Scotty suggested Barrett Peery. If I were to guess, I'd guess he's the guy. Seems like the best of all the options I've heard.
I know a donor there that could cover that buyout without batting an eye.

Pocket change for Ryan Smith.

Real Life Aggie · Post by **Real Life Aggie** » April 12th, 2024, 12:18 am

I'm not a big fan of Mark Pope, but I gotta give the man some props. He's done some great and creative recruiting while at BYU, and was ballsy enough to pull this job.

He's gonna fill that bank account, but I don't think he's got what it takes to be Kentucky's coach. That having been said, I'm all in for him—and ready to watch BYU burn. Please, oh please, oh please, let it be a colossal struggle to attract the right candidate. Let it take a couple of weeks.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » April 12th, 2024, 1:11 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 12:14 am

Dwigt wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:53 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:35 pm
There is zero chance they can afford Madsen's buyout. Maybe had he not signed an extension after the season, but no way they can do it now.

Scotty suggested Barrett Peery. If I were to guess, I'd guess he's the guy. Seems like the best of all the options I've heard.
I know a donor there that could cover that buyout without batting an eye.
Pocket change for Ryan Smith.

Yeah, rumor has it that Ryan Smiths dollars might have a previous engagement right now. The timing of this is pretty fantastic.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » April 12th, 2024, 1:18 am

But seriously the canidate pool has got to be pretty depressing for byu fans. Your top canidates in order.

1. Madsen-The current head coach of a team that just won 13 games in a poor Pac12 conference. Given that he was sucessfull at uvu for a few years. Who by the way has an insane buyout.
2. Burgess- assistant coach of your rival, which just amhD a good not great year, who was previously an assistant coach at byu,who has no head coaching experience.
3. Perry-An assistant coach at a good conference mate, who has head coaching experience at Portland state and it was not great.
4. A couple of different assistant nba coaches with no college experience or head coaching experience.
5. Cummard-You WBB assistant coach.
6. Lewis- A current high school coach that was an assistant at byu for a few years.
7.. Rice- The head coach of the local community College, who used to be an assistant at byu, has head coaching experience but is not a member of the church.

Oh and who knows if any are actually interested.

Ouch...

Dwigt · Post by **Dwigt** » April 12th, 2024, 6:29 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 1:11 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 12:14 am

Dwigt wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:53 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:35 pm
There is zero chance they can afford Madsen's buyout. Maybe had he not signed an extension after the season, but no way they can do it now.

Scotty suggested Barrett Peery. If I were to guess, I'd guess he's the guy. Seems like the best of all the options I've heard.
I know a donor there that could cover that buyout without batting an eye.
Pocket change for Ryan Smith.
Yeah, rumor has it that Ryan Smiths dollars might have a previous engagement right now. The timing of this is pretty fantastic.

I’m not talking about him though. I’m not saying the guy I know would do it, but he could easily and has given more in the past.

Heathen · Post by **Heathen** » April 12th, 2024, 7:29 am

Dwigt wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 6:29 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 1:11 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 12:14 am

Dwigt wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:53 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:35 pm
There is zero chance they can afford Madsen's buyout. Maybe had he not signed an extension after the season, but no way they can do it now.

Scotty suggested Barrett Peery. If I were to guess, I'd guess he's the guy. Seems like the best of all the options I've heard.
I know a donor there that could cover that buyout without batting an eye.
Pocket change for Ryan Smith.
Yeah, rumor has it that Ryan Smiths dollars might have a previous engagement right now. The timing of this is pretty fantastic.
I’m not talking about him though. I’m not saying the guy I know would do it, but he could easily and has given more in the past.

You have dubious friends, dwigt.

FeartheFro · Post by **FeartheFro** » April 12th, 2024, 7:34 am

I heard a rumor that the only thing standing in Stew’s way from being a card carrying member is his love of iced tea. He has conquered drugs, smokes and alcohol. With the two hour block and only needing to attend once a month to be considered active, he is definitely considering leaving the tea behind and officially taking the Cougars to levels never seen before. If this doesn’t work out, they still have Andy Reid and Danny Ainge in the wings.

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Dwigt · Post by **Dwigt** » April 12th, 2024, 7:41 am

Heathen wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 7:29 am

Dwigt wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 6:29 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 1:11 am

Elkaggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 12:14 am

Dwigt wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:53 pm

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:35 pm
There is zero chance they can afford Madsen's buyout. Maybe had he not signed an extension after the season, but no way they can do it now.

Scotty suggested Barrett Peery. If I were to guess, I'd guess he's the guy. Seems like the best of all the options I've heard.
I know a donor there that could cover that buyout without batting an eye.
Pocket change for Ryan Smith.
Yeah, rumor has it that Ryan Smiths dollars might have a previous engagement right now. The timing of this is pretty fantastic.
I’m not talking about him though. I’m not saying the guy I know would do it, but he could easily and has given more in the past.
You have dubious friends, dwigt.

That I do.

If only I could convince him to drop that kind of money on me instead.

aggieref · Post by **aggieref** » April 12th, 2024, 8:09 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 1:18 am
But seriously the canidate pool has got to be pretty depressing for byu fans. Your top canidates in order.

1. Madsen-The current head coach of a team that just won 13 games in a poor Pac12 conference. Given that he was sucessfull at uvu for a few years. Who by the way has an insane buyout.
2. Burgess- assistant coach of your rival, which just amhD a good not great year, who was previously an assistant coach at byu,who has no head coaching experience.
3. Perry-An assistant coach at a good conference mate, who has head coaching experience at Portland state and it was not great.
4. A couple of different assistant nba coaches with no college experience or head coaching experience.
5. Cummard-You WBB assistant coach.
6. Lewis- A current high school coach that was an assistant at byu for a few years.
7.. Rice- The head coach of the local community College, who used to be an assistant at byu, has head coaching experience but is not a member of the church.

Oh and who knows if any are actually interested.

Ouch...

I think you are missing one important name on that list. Tunka Tollison. I hope they don't hire him though, because I want to see their program struggle

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » April 12th, 2024, 8:17 am

Given the lack of good candidates, I bet they leverage some of their huge donors, of which there are several, and throw all the money at Madsen.

BYU will have no trouble at all coming up with the money once they decide that's their path.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » April 12th, 2024, 8:21 am

3rdGenAggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 8:17 am
Given the lack of good candidates, I bet they leverage some of their huge donors, of which there are several, and throw all the money at Madsen.

BYU will have no trouble at all coming up with the money once they decide that's their path.

Imagine paying thar much money for a guy that just won 13 games.

(Yes I realize that Cal only won 3 games the year before, and Madsen was good at UVU)

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » April 12th, 2024, 8:26 am

Scratch that. Madsen is out.

NVAggie · Post by **NVAggie** » April 12th, 2024, 8:52 am

So that looks like one of those, "I don't like ya, I love ya." Comments.

shoresy · Post by **shoresy** » April 12th, 2024, 8:53 am

aggieref wrote:
LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 1:18 am
But seriously the canidate pool has got to be pretty depressing for byu fans. Your top canidates in order.

1. Madsen-The current head coach of a team that just won 13 games in a poor Pac12 conference. Given that he was sucessfull at uvu for a few years. Who by the way has an insane buyout.
2. Burgess- assistant coach of your rival, which just amhD a good not great year, who was previously an assistant coach at byu,who has no head coaching experience.
3. Perry-An assistant coach at a good conference mate, who has head coaching experience at Portland state and it was not great.
4. A couple of different assistant nba coaches with no college experience or head coaching experience.
5. Cummard-You WBB assistant coach.
6. Lewis- A current high school coach that was an assistant at byu for a few years.
7.. Rice- The head coach of the local community College, who used to be an assistant at byu, has head coaching experience but is not a member of the church.

Oh and who knows if any are actually interested.

Ouch...
I think you are missing one important name on that list. Tunka Tollison. I hope they don't hire him though, because I want to see their program struggle

Tunka has made his disdain for BYU vocal on many occasions. The man hated BYU more than just about anyone on earth.

I just don’t see it

jpswensen · Post by **jpswensen** » April 12th, 2024, 8:54 am

Maybe they could be trailblazers and promote the women’s head coach Whiting to be the men’s bball coach?

apo · Post by **apo** » April 12th, 2024, 8:54 am

How much better do you like our Athletic Dept after seeing this hiring?

Hiring a coach isn’t an easy process. Time will tell, maybe Pope is successful but the initial optics aren’t great.

CaptainChaos · Post by **CaptainChaos** » April 12th, 2024, 8:56 am

bluegrouse wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:13 pm
Pope now the 6th highest paid coach in college basketball.

Also Pope:
9 years head coach
Zero conference championships of any kind (season or tourney)
5th place conference finishes last three years (2 in the WCC!)
Two NCAA appearances - zero wins (losses to lower seeds both times)

Crazy

How is Pope the remedy to what ails Kentucky? haha

Roy McAvoy · Post by **Roy McAvoy** » April 12th, 2024, 8:57 am

A few weeks we had rumors that Pope really wanted out of BYU. That he begged for the Washington job, and even entertained taking the USU job.

Can you imagine if he had actually taken the USU job, and then we were losing our new head coach after two weeks right now? Lol.

Aggie702 · Post by **Aggie702** » April 12th, 2024, 9:00 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 8:57 am
A few weeks we had rumors that Pope really wanted out of BYU. That he begged for the Washington job, and even entertained taking the USU job.

Can you imagine if he had actually taken the USU job, and then we were losing our new head coach after two weeks right now? Lol.

This kind of happened to unlv after they fired Rice. They hired Chris Beard, who was on the job 2 weeks until Texas Tech opened up and he bailed lol. I think UNLV hired Menzies after that.

3rdGenAggie · Post by **3rdGenAggie** » April 12th, 2024, 9:05 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 8:57 am
A few weeks we had rumors that Pope really wanted out of BYU. That he begged for the Washington job, and even entertained taking the USU job.

Can you imagine if he had actually taken the USU job, and then we were losing our new head coach after two weeks right now? Lol.

1. We'd have completed the 3-2-1-0 path.
2. We'd be awfully flush with buyout cash, if nothing else.

Post by **AGinNEIowa** » April 12th, 2024, 9:13 am

NVAggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 8:52 am
So that looks like one of those, "I don't like ya, I love ya." Comments.

his twitter profile shows Orem, UT as his location....

Post by **aggies22** » April 12th, 2024, 9:17 am

Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 8:57 am
A few weeks we had rumors that Pope really wanted out of BYU. That he begged for the Washington job, and even entertained taking the USU job.

Can you imagine if he had actually taken the USU job, and then we were losing our new head coach after two weeks right now? Lol.

They don't seem like rumors now do they? AND it panned out for Pope even better than he had hoped.

The Old Bull · Post by **The Old Bull** » April 12th, 2024, 9:19 am

SLB wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 10:58 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 10:56 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 8:41 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 8:40 pm
After Mark Madsen, the LDS coaching pool is as shallow as a kiddie pool.

They might be screwed with their limitations.
Todd Simon would make sense for them.
Todd Simon isn't LDS.
Why so serious

The "has to be LDS thing" isn't a mandate... its been tradition but there is no hard fast rule at byu that head coaches must be LDS. For church employees you have to be a card carrying member... but byu employees aren't church employees. I imagine the tradition will be going away soon... maybe not for this cycle, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do away with this and the HC soon.

thrashsoundly · Post by **thrashsoundly** » April 12th, 2024, 9:24 am

shoresy wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:35 pm
There is zero chance they can afford Madsen's buyout. Maybe had he not signed an extension after the season, but no way they can do it now.

Scotty suggested Barrett Peery. If I were to guess, I'd guess he's the guy. Seems like the best of all the options I've heard.

I think there are well over a billion reasons that they can find the cash if they really want to.

SLB · Post by **SLB** » April 12th, 2024, 9:27 am

The Old Bull wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 9:19 am

SLB wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 10:58 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 10:56 pm

SLB wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 8:41 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 8:40 pm
After Mark Madsen, the LDS coaching pool is as shallow as a kiddie pool.

They might be screwed with their limitations.
Todd Simon would make sense for them.
Todd Simon isn't LDS.
Why so serious
The "has to be LDS thing" isn't a mandate... its been tradition but there is no hard fast rule at byu that head coaches must be LDS. For church employees you have to be a card carrying member... but byu employees aren't church employees. I imagine the tradition will be going away soon... maybe not for this cycle, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do away with this and the HC soon.

Non-LDS folks have been involved with BYU sports. If BYU feels good about a coach, they will hire the coach.
Dave Rice was a top BYU assistant coach there for years, so Dave Rice is a name that being floated around.
Ex-SUU head coach and current BYU assistant coach Nick Robinson would be probably the next head coach.

The Old Bull · Post by **The Old Bull** » April 12th, 2024, 9:28 am

FeartheFro wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 7:34 am
I heard a rumor that the only thing standing in Stew’s way from being a card carrying member is his love of iced tea. He has conquered drugs, smokes and alcohol. With the two hour block and only needing to attend once a month to be considered active, he is definitely considering leaving the tea behind and officially taking the Cougars to levels never seen before. If this doesn’t work out, they still have Andy Reid and Danny Ainge in the wings.

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Its actually only once a quarter... I think he is in.

OKAggie · Post by **OKAggie** » April 12th, 2024, 9:31 am

Where's Alex Jensen these days? Is he card-carrying?

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » April 12th, 2024, 9:35 am

OKAggie wrote: ↑
April 12th, 2024, 9:31 am
Where's Alex Jensen these days? Is he card-carrying?

Rumor is he turned down utah before they hired Smith. If he turned down the school he went to, I don't see him going to byu.

shoresy · Post by **shoresy** » April 12th, 2024, 9:38 am

thrashsoundly wrote:
shoresy wrote: ↑
April 11th, 2024, 11:35 pm
There is zero chance they can afford Madsen's buyout. Maybe had he not signed an extension after the season, but no way they can do it now.

Scotty suggested Barrett Peery. If I were to guess, I'd guess he's the guy. Seems like the best of all the options I've heard.
I think there are well over a billion reasons that they can find the cash if they really want to.

Ok yes sure. Nobody thinks BYU is poor. But precedent for the institution’s entire history shows that they’re cheap when it comes to coaches.

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