I don't remember how this came up in chat, but I said something about Steph Curry being the best 3 point shooter of all time and a few peple (mainly Treesap ) questioned that. I don't even know how you can argue it's anyone else though.

Curry is 2nd in all-time three-point shooting % in the NBA at 44.1%, only trailing Steve Kerr who shot 45.5%. However, Curry averaged 6.6 three-point shot attempts per game, Curry only shot 1.8 per game. Curry has also already made over 500 more 3’s in his short career than Kerr did his entire career.

Curry owns the NBA single season record for three-pointers made with 286. He is also 2nd place on the record books with 272. Ray Allen is 3rd at 269. This season however Curry is on pace to make a blistering 425 three-pointers.

Ray Allen is the NBA’s all-time leader in three-pointers made with 2973. Reggie Miller is 2nd place at 2560. However, Ray Allen’s career % is only 40.4% (40th all time), and Reggie Miller’s is 39.5% (47th all time).

I'd say Jimmer Fredette.

swishh_15 wrote:I don't remember how this came up in chat, but I said something about Steph Curry being the best 3 point shooter of all time and a few peple (mainly Treesap ) questioned that. I don't even know how you can argue it's anyone else though.

Curry is 2nd in all-time three-point shooting % in the NBA at 44.1%, only trailing Steve Kerr who shot 45.5%. However, Curry averaged 6.6 three-point shot attempts per game, Curry only shot 1.8 per game. Curry has also already made over 500 more 3’s in his short career than Kerr did his entire career.

Curry owns the NBA single season record for three-pointers made with 286. He is also 2nd place on the record books with 272. Ray Allen is 3rd at 269. This season however Curry is on pace to make a blistering 425 three-pointers.

Ray Allen is the NBA’s all-time leader in three-pointers made with 2973. Reggie Miller is 2nd place at 2560. However, Ray Allen’s career % is only 40.4% (40th all time), and Reggie Miller’s is 39.5% (47th all time).

Hard to argue with this. Not to mention the fact that more of Curry's shots came from the extended line than the other top shooters (I admit this is an assumption but I'm pretty confident it is true). The only argument against would be the longevity angle. Can Curry keep it up in his later years like Ray Allen and Reggie Miller? Will he pass the all-time three-pointers made number? If he stays on his current trajectory, yes, he will be the best long ball chucker in the history of the game. If he has an epic downfall, ala Tiger woods, then maybe he won't be held in such high regard.

I think people have a tendency to over value past greats and undervalue current stars. What Steph Curry is doing is special, and the stuff of all-time greats. Appreciate it.

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Mr. Sneelock wrote:I think people have a tendency to over value past greats and undervalue current stars. What Steph Curry is doing is special, and the stuff of all-time greats. Appreciate it.

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I agree, and I do. Having grown up in the Bay Area it's cool to see the Warriors good again.

Mr. Sneelock wrote:I think people have a tendency to over value past greats and undervalue current stars. What Steph Curry is doing is special, and the stuff of all-time greats. Appreciate it.

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I agree with this. The legends of the past get put on a pedestal because all you hear about was their "greatness" and didn't see their weaknesses. Not to hijack the thread, but this happens in baseball probably more than any other sport. People are quick to laugh it off when I suggest that Miguel Cabrera is one of, if not the, greatest hitter of all time - top five at least. People will throw out names like Ruth, Mantle, Williams, Cobb, Foxx, Wagner etc., but what Cabrera has done over the last 10 or so years is up there with the best of them.

Back to basketball - I still don't find the players of today nearly as entertaining to watch as the "glory days" of Magic, Bird, and Jordan in their respective primes. As far as a shooter - it would be hard to argue against Curry.

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I think his foot may have been on the line for the one on the left.

I typically have defended the greats when putting current players into a historical perspective, but in my mind there is no way Steph Curry is anything less than the best shooter of all time. Guys like Ray Allen, Steve Kerr, and Reggie Miller didn't create their own shots like Steph does. Guys like Steve Nash, Larry Bird, and Rick Barry (although great shooters) didn't put up the percentage and overall total number of shots that Curry has thus far.

I think maybe the most insane thought of all is that Curry set the record for 3 pointers in a season last year and only played 32 minutes per game because the Warriors were consistently blowing out teams by the fourth quarter. He is averaging MORE three pointers per game this year and is shooting a better percentage thus far!

If he keeps up this pace, we are seriously going to have to consider him alongside Magic Johnson as the best point guard ever.

YoungBloodAggie wrote:I typically have defended the greats when putting current players into a historical perspective, but in my mind there is no way Steph Curry is anything less than the best shooter of all time. Guys like Ray Allen, Steve Kerr, and Reggie Miller didn't create their own shots like Steph does. Guys like Steve Nash, Larry Bird, and Rick Barry (although great shooters) didn't put up the percentage and overall total number of shots that Curry has thus far.

I think maybe the most insane thought of all is that Curry set the record for 3 pointers in a season last year and only played 32 minutes per game because the Warriors were consistently blowing out teams by the fourth quarter. He is averaging MORE three pointers per game this year and is shooting a better percentage thus far!

If he keeps up this pace, we are seriously going to have to consider him alongside Magic Johnson as the best point guard ever.

I see what you did there, you little pot-stirrer.

Has Stephen Curry ever made 5,221 consecutive free throws?

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Didn't think so.

Steph is 100% the best 3 point shooter of all time and there is nothing to even debate. Anyone who disagrees is simply wrong.


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treesap32 wrote:Has Stephen Curry ever made 5,221 consecutive free throws?

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Didn't think so.

Probably.

I heard about this guy today on my drive to work. It was on the Surprisingly Awesome podcast where they talked about podcasts.

It was also mentioned that Shaq hit 60% from the line with his eyes closed in a session when they were re-teaching him to shoot free throws.

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treesap32 wrote:Has Stephen Curry ever made 5,221 consecutive free throws?

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Didn't think so.

Probably.

I dispute that. This guy shot for 7.5 hours straight without missing. I watched steph having a ft shooting contest with Steve Kerr on YouTube yesterday and he was jumping up and down celebrating going 10-10.

This guy beats steph curry at free throw shooting 6 days a week and twice on Sunday and its not even close.

As far as three point shooting, which was not the original claim, steph has a decent argument. However, you'll have to get a lot more specific to have a leak proof statement. You've already shown statistics where other players have been better than steph in that area and justified them away for one reason or another. Are you only including NBA players? If not, how do you know there has never been a better shooter than Steph in the history of the world. And how do you define "the best shooter"? There are many players who shot the ball more efficiently than Curry inside the three point line.

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treesap32 wrote:

YoungBloodAggie wrote:

treesap32 wrote:Has Stephen Curry ever made 5,221 consecutive free throws?

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Didn't think so.

Probably.

I dispute that. This guy shot for 7.5 hours straight without missing. I watched steph having a ft shooting contest with Steve Kerr on YouTube yesterday and he was jumping up and down celebrating going 10-10.

This guy beats steph curry at free throw shooting 6 days a week and twice on Sunday and its not even close.

As far as three point shooting, which was not the original claim, steph has a decent argument. However, you'll have to get a lot more specific to have a leak proof statement. You've already shown statistics where other players have been better than steph in that area and justified them away for one reason or another. Are you only including NBA players? If not, how do you know there has never been a better shooter than Steph in the history of the world. And how do you define "the best shooter"? There are many players who shot the ball more efficiently than Curry inside the three point line.

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Alright. I guess the best shooter ever has to be selected by a set of qualifications. I would say that the best shooter ever is the guy who excels from the floor, beyond the arc, and at the free throw line. Bill Simmons frequently uses something called the 50-40-90 club to determine who are the best shooters in the league (50% from the field, 40% from three, and 90% from the line). Stephen Curry has, to this point, never made the cut (although last season he barely missed the cut because of field goal percentage). It should also be noted he is on his way to making the cut this year. The list of guys to choose from in the 50-40-90 club are:

Larry Bird (2x member)
Mark Price
Reggie Miller
Steve Nash (4x member)
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Durant

When comparing career statistics, Steph Curry matches up as follows:

Better than Larry Bird from beyond the arc and at the stripe.
Better than Mark Price from beyond the arc and from the field. Also only trailing in FT by .003%.
Better than Reggie Miller in all three categories.
Better than Steve Nash only in three pointers. Trails in FT again by .003%.
Better than Dirk Nowitzki in three pointers and free throws.
Better than Kevin Durant in three pointers and free throws.

So far, it would appear as though only Steve Nash is a better overall shooter than Steph Curry. While I wouldn't take issue with anyone choosing Nash over Curry, I think the total usage for Curry makes him a more impressive shooter. In only 6 years in the league, Steph has almost made as many three pointers as Nash did over his 17 year career. His effective field goal percentage (which values 3 pointers more than 2 pointers) is higher than Nash's, meaning that the shots he hits are more important overall.

YoungBloodAggie wrote:

treesap32 wrote:

YoungBloodAggie wrote:

treesap32 wrote:Has Stephen Curry ever made 5,221 consecutive free throws?

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Didn't think so.

Probably.

I dispute that. This guy shot for 7.5 hours straight without missing. I watched steph having a ft shooting contest with Steve Kerr on YouTube yesterday and he was jumping up and down celebrating going 10-10.

This guy beats steph curry at free throw shooting 6 days a week and twice on Sunday and its not even close.

As far as three point shooting, which was not the original claim, steph has a decent argument. However, you'll have to get a lot more specific to have a leak proof statement. You've already shown statistics where other players have been better than steph in that area and justified them away for one reason or another. Are you only including NBA players? If not, how do you know there has never been a better shooter than Steph in the history of the world. And how do you define "the best shooter"? There are many players who shot the ball more efficiently than Curry inside the three point line.

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Alright. I guess the best shooter ever has to be selected by a set of qualifications. I would say that the best shooter ever is the guy who excels from the floor, beyond the arc, and at the free throw line. Bill Simmons frequently uses something called the 50-40-90 club to determine who are the best shooters in the league (50% from the field, 40% from three, and 90% from the line). Stephen Curry has, to this point, never made the cut (although last season he barely missed the cut because of field goal percentage). It should also be noted he is on his way to making the cut this year. The list of guys to choose from in the 50-40-90 club are:

Larry Bird (2x member)
Mark Price
Reggie Miller
Steve Nash (4x member)
Dirk Nowitzki
Kevin Durant

When comparing career statistics, Steph Curry matches up as follows:

Better than Larry Bird from beyond the arc and at the stripe.
Better than Mark Price from beyond the arc and from the field. Also only trailing in FT by .003%.
Better than Reggie Miller in all three categories.
Better than Steve Nash only in three pointers. Trails in FT again by .003%.
Better than Dirk Nowitzki in three pointers and free throws.
Better than Kevin Durant in three pointers and free throws.

So far, it would appear as though only Steve Nash is a better overall shooter than Steph Curry. While I wouldn't take issue with anyone choosing Nash over Curry, I think the total usage for Curry makes him a more impressive shooter. In only 6 years in the league, Steph has almost made as many three pointers as Nash did over his 17 year career. His effective field goal percentage (which values 3 pointers more than 2 pointers) is higher than Nash's, meaning that the shots he hits are more important overall.

Now we're getting somewhere! As long as we're limiting it to the NBA. Excellent post!

Now, what about guys that played before the 3 point line existed. Are they in the equation? Do shooting specialist role players count? Players who didn't score on the level of ones you listed but have proven to be deadly? Craig Hodges comes to mind... ( though admittedly I haven't researched his shooting statistics before this post ). I just remember Hodges was a good enough three point shooter to come out of retirement to compete against NBA players defending his three point contest titles.

Where does Kyle Korver fall?

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Did a little research... It looks like Hodges' statistics are good but not good enough to be in this conversation. Hodges does hold the record for most consecutive three point contest wins at 3 (tied with Larry legend).

Curry won the title last year in probably the most impressive shooting display we have seen in the contest, and he now owns the single round record of 27 points out of 30. The previous record was held by Hodges (25). Chalk another one up for Curry.

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I think you have to limit it to the NBA, at least for players in the modern era. It is the highest level of competition which increases the difficulty level of each shot. There may be better shooters in Europe or elsewhere in the world, but that would mean they have enough deficiencies in their game to not be on the same stage as Curry and, therefore, not generate statistics that are an apples to apples comparison.

AggieDude wrote:I think you have to limit it to the NBA, at least for players in the modern era. It is the highest level of competition which increases the difficulty level of each shot. There may be better shooters in Europe or elsewhere in the world, but that would mean they have enough deficiencies in their game to not be on the same stage as Curry and, therefore, not generate statistics that are an apples to apples comparison.

I believe we already know the answer to this one...they call him Boom Boom, the Bombardero, Duracell, Mr. Carroll.

Aglicious wrote:

AggieDude wrote:I think you have to limit it to the NBA, at least for players in the modern era. It is the highest level of competition which increases the difficulty level of each shot. There may be better shooters in Europe or elsewhere in the world, but that would mean they have enough deficiencies in their game to not be on the same stage as Curry and, therefore, not generate statistics that are an apples to apples comparison.

I believe we already know the answer to this one...they call him Boom Boom, the Bombardero, Duracell, Mr. Carroll.

As great of a shooter as Jaycee is, he's not better than Curry. I'm very happy he has been able to find success outside of the NBA though. He's earned it.

A shooter isn't a shooter if he can't compete against the best of the best. Find me another atmosphere where the challenge is as great as playing in the NBA and I'll consider non-NBA players.

As for Kyle Korver, Steph beats him in all three categories.

NVAggie wrote:I didn't even know that Golden State won the whole thing last year, so my opinion of his greatness is pretty worthless. I do think that all of this is very subjective. You would have to decide what criteria would be the most important in determining the "Best Shooter". Most of these conversations turn into a pissing contest because there is no real desire to set the guidelines first. I also think it is difficult to compare stats and greatness across the generations. The rules have changed quite a bit over the years. You also have different styles of play, different officiating, and different nutrition and work out regiments. They are fun conversations, but in the end no one really changes their mind.

Yeah, nobody is changing their mind. We pretty much all agree that he's the best. Especially, when you consider that you have to reach, statistically, to find a way to disqualify him. I revert back to my initial comment. Unless he has a Tiger Woods like crash and burn, he will become the undeniable best shooter of all time.

Last night was a perfect example. For those who don't know, the Clippers and Warriors have a really big budding rivalry right now. Might be the biggest current rivalry in the NBA. The Warriors are undefeated this season and haven't lost yet. They were down 23 points at one point and still down double digits in the 4th quarter. With that stuff on the line, watch these big time shots Steph Curry makes and level of difficulty. This wasn't a one time thing either. He's doing this night in and night out.

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swishh_15 wrote:Last night was a perfect example. For those who don't know, the Clippers and Warriors have a really big budding rivalry right now. Might be the biggest current rivalry in the NBA. The Warriors are undefeated this season and haven't lost yet. They were down 23 points at one point and still down double digits in the 4th quarter. With that stuff on the line, watch these big time shots Steph Curry makes and level of difficulty. This wasn't a one time thing either. He's doing this night in and night out.

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You can't embed when the link includes the "time"
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Oh alright. Thanks. The part of the video I want people to see though starts at 1:56.

And to think no major school wanted him


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Didn't he grow three or four inches his freshman year? Pretty sure if he was that height and had that shot in high school he could've gone anywhere he wanted. Davidson hit the lottery with Curry.

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Steph Curry is currently ranked #19 in three point shooting this year.

http://stats.nba.com/leaders/#!/?PerMod ... ry=FG3_PCT

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treesap32 wrote:Steph Curry is currently ranked #19 in three point shooting this year.

http://stats.nba.com/leaders/#!/?PerMod ... ry=FG3_PCT

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While making more than double the amount of 3's than the guy 2nd in the nba has made this year. He's close to triple the amount of the closest guy to him ahead of him on the list of %'s. That link also shows him as 15th now.

Must've changed today. So does making more shots at a lower efficiency (percentage) make you the better shooter?

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treesap32 wrote:Must've changed today. So does making more shots at a lower efficiency (percentage) make you the better shooter?

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IMO- in most cases the answer is no...but when your shot total is doublet the runner up's- the answer is yes


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