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Jazz trade
Jazz traded Rodney Hood to Cleveland and Joe Johnson to Sacramento for Derrick Rose and Jae Crowder. Rumor has it that we also swapped 2nd round picks with Cleveland in 2024.
I like this trade for a couple reasons:
1. We had to move Joe. Sacramento will just release him and he can go to GS or Boston or Cleveland.
2. We are just gonna release D-Rose. This tells me Exum is gonna be back soon.
3. Hood was gonna leave in the off-season and if we wanted to keep him, it would have been matching a starter size contract for him to come off the bench.
4. Crowder fits our system , is under contract for two more seasons, and isn't expensive. Gives us cap space for this coming free agency. If he gets back to "Boston" form, this is a steal for the Jazz.
Not the trade I expected but in Dennis Lindsey, we trust.
I like this trade for a couple reasons:
1. We had to move Joe. Sacramento will just release him and he can go to GS or Boston or Cleveland.
2. We are just gonna release D-Rose. This tells me Exum is gonna be back soon.
3. Hood was gonna leave in the off-season and if we wanted to keep him, it would have been matching a starter size contract for him to come off the bench.
4. Crowder fits our system , is under contract for two more seasons, and isn't expensive. Gives us cap space for this coming free agency. If he gets back to "Boston" form, this is a steal for the Jazz.
Not the trade I expected but in Dennis Lindsey, we trust.
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Re: Jazz trade
I agree with you on all fronts. And it sounds like Hood was gone either way. He hasn't been happy in Utah recently. Luckily he kept it behind closed doors but him and his agent were basically demanding a trade. Hood thinks he's a franchise player and I'm sure it's been a huge blow to his ego that he's been relegated to the bench with our new star Mitchell at the helm.
Hood seemed like a decent guy and it was fun when he was "on". He was very streaky though and sometimes would go 1-15 leading to a Jazz loss. A little reminiscent of CJ Miles. Crowder will likely be a good fit for us. I think the fans will love him. Hopefully he likes it here and can contribute and get back to his old self.
Also: by trading Joe we didn't have to buy him out (we would've done this had we not been able to move him). Sacramento will surely buy him out and be on the hook for the rest of his $10m contract (probably around $4-5m). We'll only have to pay around $1m to buy out Rose.
Hood seemed like a decent guy and it was fun when he was "on". He was very streaky though and sometimes would go 1-15 leading to a Jazz loss. A little reminiscent of CJ Miles. Crowder will likely be a good fit for us. I think the fans will love him. Hopefully he likes it here and can contribute and get back to his old self.
Also: by trading Joe we didn't have to buy him out (we would've done this had we not been able to move him). Sacramento will surely buy him out and be on the hook for the rest of his $10m contract (probably around $4-5m). We'll only have to pay around $1m to buy out Rose.
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Re: Jazz trade
Hood is a soft SG who couldn't be counted on night to night.
Crowder is a hard as hammers SF/PF who can defend four positions. Quin will maximize Crowder's skills. He'll be a great addition.
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Re: Jazz trade
Hood was about a 2 in 10 guy. The Jazz need way more consistency than a guy that goes for 30 one night and 2 the next.
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Re: Jazz trade
Agree with you guys.
If Crowder is the guy he was in Boston (40% from 3, excellent and very versatile defender) then I think this trade is a win for the Jazz. The next two years he will make about $7 million per year. Hood would probably be more than double that. Hood is certainly better offensively overall, but he is also clearly inferior on defense. Crowder may have a lower ceiling, but I think he has a higher floor.
Hood isn't really a scorer. If his shot isn't on he isn't really very valuable. Not a rebounder, does not have many assists, doesn't get to the line, not a great defender, etc.
If Crowder is Cleveland Crowder, then this is probably a bad trade, but I am confident that Snyder will get the most out of him. Overall, Crowder at $7 million is a far better deal than Hood at $18 million and that is probably the choice we had to make.
Exum is rumored to be back after the all star break, which should help fill some of the scoring with the second unit that Hood was providing (I am still on Exum island I think he can still be an excellent player and I think he pairs very well with Mitchell).
Overall, I think this is a good move. We move a guy that was both unhappy and unlikely to be worth bringing back for one of the best contracts in the league and someone with an elite skill (defensive versatility). He would be a great small 4 next to Gobert, but could also guard 2s or play the 3. This also creates the possibility of adding an impact guy this offseason or bringing back Favors.
If Crowder is the guy he was in Boston (40% from 3, excellent and very versatile defender) then I think this trade is a win for the Jazz. The next two years he will make about $7 million per year. Hood would probably be more than double that. Hood is certainly better offensively overall, but he is also clearly inferior on defense. Crowder may have a lower ceiling, but I think he has a higher floor.
Hood isn't really a scorer. If his shot isn't on he isn't really very valuable. Not a rebounder, does not have many assists, doesn't get to the line, not a great defender, etc.
If Crowder is Cleveland Crowder, then this is probably a bad trade, but I am confident that Snyder will get the most out of him. Overall, Crowder at $7 million is a far better deal than Hood at $18 million and that is probably the choice we had to make.
Exum is rumored to be back after the all star break, which should help fill some of the scoring with the second unit that Hood was providing (I am still on Exum island I think he can still be an excellent player and I think he pairs very well with Mitchell).
Overall, I think this is a good move. We move a guy that was both unhappy and unlikely to be worth bringing back for one of the best contracts in the league and someone with an elite skill (defensive versatility). He would be a great small 4 next to Gobert, but could also guard 2s or play the 3. This also creates the possibility of adding an impact guy this offseason or bringing back Favors.
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Re: Jazz trade
Hopefully Jae Crowder will return to his Boston self in a new system. In terms of net wins/losses, I don't think this helps or hurts the Jazz that much, but I do like that it sets them up for FA for the next few years.
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Re: Jazz trade
Hope the trade doesn't mess up the Jazz momentum. Jazz are playing great ball right now. Had the trade happened a few weeks ago I would be completely behind it, but don't know I feel about the current chemistry of the team being messed up when the team is doing so well. We'll see.
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Re: Jazz trade
If Crowder contributing 15 pts and a handful of rebounds in 30 minutes of play, not to mention being an above average defender, is indicative of his contribution going forward, this was a great trade by the Jazz.
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Re: Jazz trade
All of this of course is irrelevant since the best the Jazz could possibly do in today's NBA is the Western Conference Finals, and in order to do that, they need to get there before DM's contract is up and he bolts for a bigger market/power team.
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Re: Jazz trade
If we get 10-15 points every night out of Crowder and solid defense them this trade will be a home run for the Jazzjpswensen wrote:If Crowder contributing 15 pts and a handful of rebounds in 30 minutes of play, not to mention being an above average defender, is indicative of his contribution going forward, this was a great trade by the Jazz.
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Re: Jazz trade
The Jazz likely have a good seven years from Mitchell, and they're really just a star away from being a real contender. Of course a title is out of reach this season and likely for the next few seasons, but 3 or 4 years down the road who knows what Golden State will look like.aceofspadeskb wrote: ↑February 12th, 2018, 3:51 pmAll of this of course is irrelevant since the best the Jazz could possibly do in today's NBA is the Western Conference Finals, and in order to do that, they need to get there before DM's contract is up and he bolts for a bigger market/power team.
A title for Utah is by no means likely, and they've still got a long way to go. However, IMO they are doing absolutely everything perfectly right now to lay a foundation for the next few years. Then, who knows. With perfect execution and a lot of luck they could have a real shot.
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Re: Jazz trade
Agreed. They have team control for I think 8 years if he signs an extension and doesn't hit RFA. The Jazz mishandled Hayward in retrospect by letting him RFA but no one thought it was a mistake at the time and it took a perfect confluence of circumstances for him to leave. Not sure why one player leaving makes all Jazz fans think any good player we have is going to bolt.bleu wrote: ↑February 13th, 2018, 1:25 amThe Jazz likely have a good seven years from Mitchell, and they're really just a star away from being a real contender. Of course a title is out of reach this season and likely for the next few seasons, but 3 or 4 years down the road who knows what Golden State will look like.aceofspadeskb wrote: ↑February 12th, 2018, 3:51 pmAll of this of course is irrelevant since the best the Jazz could possibly do in today's NBA is the Western Conference Finals, and in order to do that, they need to get there before DM's contract is up and he bolts for a bigger market/power team.
A title for Utah is by no means likely, and they've still got a long way to go. However, IMO they are doing absolutely everything perfectly right now to lay a foundation for the next few years. Then, who knows. With perfect execution and a lot of luck they could have a real shot.
The prime of the Mitchell/Gobert window should time nicely with the close of the GSW window too.
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Re: Jazz trade
Even if Golden State dissipates, another team(cough cough....Los Angeles) will be starred up to be the super power by then. The Jazz will never win a championship.
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Re: Jazz trade
Well aren't you just fun?aceofspadeskb wrote: ↑February 13th, 2018, 10:48 amEven if Golden State dissipates, another team(cough cough....Los Angeles) will be starred up to be the super power by then. The Jazz will never win a championship.
Los Angeles isn't gonna get the free agents that people think. Maybe they get PG but other than that it's not a destination and hasn't been in a while.
The NBA goes through waves. 5 years ago, to say that the Warriors would be the undeniably dominant giant would have been a bold take. Now I am not saying that the jazz will be dominant, but we have Mitchell, Gobert, a top 5 coach, and a front office that has done a great job of getting players to fit the system. We still need at least one more star. We need the Warriors to start to evaporate (i expect 2-3 more seasons then things start splitting up.) We have Mitchell for 7 more years (4 years and then restricted free agent), Gobert for 3 more (at least), and great dedicated players.
I think a lot of Jazz fans were hurt by Hayward leaving. Makes sense. I was too. But that hasn't been a common thread with the Jazz in the past. How many star players have left that we have tried to keep? We let Millsap and the like walk so that we can rebuild.
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Re: Jazz trade
Lakers seem to be targeting older stars. If they do that they'll be good but the clock will be ticking. They need to get young talent and most of those are under contract. But hey, they've fleeced teams in trades before so maybe they will again. For fun, let's look at young players the Lakers should go after:
Player - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - UFA Year
D. Lillard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2021
A. Davis - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2021
G. Antetokounmpo - - - - - - - - 2021
R. Gobert - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2021
K. Irving - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2020
Other young stars are going to be tied up for much longer. I think the Lakers are going to go after a couple of 30-plus-year old stars this summer. Then they'll need to either get a young star on a trade where some dumb team is dumping everyone and starting over. Then they probably be looking to clear space in 2021 to get at least two of the above players.
The Jazz will have their hands full in 2021. Mitchell with be an RFA and Gobert will be a UFA.
Player - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - UFA Year
D. Lillard - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2021
A. Davis - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2021
G. Antetokounmpo - - - - - - - - 2021
R. Gobert - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2021
K. Irving - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2020
Other young stars are going to be tied up for much longer. I think the Lakers are going to go after a couple of 30-plus-year old stars this summer. Then they'll need to either get a young star on a trade where some dumb team is dumping everyone and starting over. Then they probably be looking to clear space in 2021 to get at least two of the above players.
The Jazz will have their hands full in 2021. Mitchell with be an RFA and Gobert will be a UFA.
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Re: Jazz trade
I forgot about Kawhi Leonard. He's a UFA in 2020 as well. But he has a Player option in 2019. He seems kind of salty about the way his injury was handled in San Antonio.
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Re: Jazz trade
LMAOaceofspadeskb wrote: ↑February 13th, 2018, 10:48 amEven if Golden State dissipates, another team(cough cough....Los Angeles) will be starred up to be the super power by then. The Jazz will never win a championship.
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Are these Lakers better than Cleveland?aceofspadeskb wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2018, 8:56 amLMAOaceofspadeskb wrote: ↑February 13th, 2018, 10:48 amEven if Golden State dissipates, another team(cough cough....Los Angeles) will be starred up to be the super power by then. The Jazz will never win a championship.
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Not yet.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2018, 10:27 amAre these Lakers better than Cleveland?aceofspadeskb wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2018, 8:56 amLMAOaceofspadeskb wrote: ↑February 13th, 2018, 10:48 amEven if Golden State dissipates, another team(cough cough....Los Angeles) will be starred up to be the super power by then. The Jazz will never win a championship.