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Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
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Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
Just a guess:
Gonzaga - obviously
St. Mary's - due to Gonzaga and a successful BB team
University of Pacific - makes sense, part of the old Big West
University of Denver - makes sense geographically, part of the former WAC
Grand Canyon - meh
NMSU - unlikely due to political reasons
In bold are my favorites. I don't think NMSU has a chance due to UNM and FB. There is no reason to take them as an oly-only sport school when they have an FBS FB team, it would be all or nothing, and why not?. byu is the outlier and would likely only attempt to come as a package deal with Gonzaga.
Personally I hate the idea of adding Grand Canyon - for profit "Christian" school, no thanks! Not sure why people are so high on them, because they advertise??? What ever.
Gonzaga - obviously
St. Mary's - due to Gonzaga and a successful BB team
University of Pacific - makes sense, part of the old Big West
University of Denver - makes sense geographically, part of the former WAC
Grand Canyon - meh
NMSU - unlikely due to political reasons
In bold are my favorites. I don't think NMSU has a chance due to UNM and FB. There is no reason to take them as an oly-only sport school when they have an FBS FB team, it would be all or nothing, and why not?. byu is the outlier and would likely only attempt to come as a package deal with Gonzaga.
Personally I hate the idea of adding Grand Canyon - for profit "Christian" school, no thanks! Not sure why people are so high on them, because they advertise??? What ever.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
well it's going to happen so...
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
Grab BYU and Gonzaga and call it a day.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
CSU, AFA and Denver -and Laramie's only a few miles away? seems like a stretch for Denver bringing much value to the conference. Geographical proximity is about it
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
I'd prefer to keep the MW a football playing conference. I don't like the idea of having schools that do not participate in football.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
Just take Gonzaga so we have travel partners. Tell BYU to call when they want to bring all sports.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
My vote is to tell byu to go to hell altogether. Bringing byu in isn't worth the few extra hundred thousand dollars the conference would get for adding them.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
Gonzaga - obviously
St. Mary's - due to Gonzaga and a successful BB team
University of Pacific - doesn't make sense, the bring nothing to the conference. If they aren't a big fanbase, bringing money, or a contender it does not good.
University of Denver - doesn't make sense geographically (too many schools close. no new TV market), Doesn't bring anything to the table.
Grand Canyon - I am split on this one. They have a huge student body and the potential for the phoenix tv market. Obviously it would be 3rd fiddle but better than our current stance. But they aren't proven winners. It is a gamble on if they can grow quickly.
NMSU - unlikely due to political reasons, but one of the best choices. Add Football (with BYU-Provo all sports) to make it 14 basketball and 14 football. If they continue to struggle it at least gives the Mountain division a body bag game that we have been using the West division for.
If the money works (no one is too greedy in asking for deals), I would add Gonzaga (non-football obviously), BYU-P (all sports), and NMSU (all sports). This is assuming no politics and that someone... doesn't think that they are too good for what they really are.
St. Mary's - due to Gonzaga and a successful BB team
University of Pacific - doesn't make sense, the bring nothing to the conference. If they aren't a big fanbase, bringing money, or a contender it does not good.
University of Denver - doesn't make sense geographically (too many schools close. no new TV market), Doesn't bring anything to the table.
Grand Canyon - I am split on this one. They have a huge student body and the potential for the phoenix tv market. Obviously it would be 3rd fiddle but better than our current stance. But they aren't proven winners. It is a gamble on if they can grow quickly.
NMSU - unlikely due to political reasons, but one of the best choices. Add Football (with BYU-Provo all sports) to make it 14 basketball and 14 football. If they continue to struggle it at least gives the Mountain division a body bag game that we have been using the West division for.
If the money works (no one is too greedy in asking for deals), I would add Gonzaga (non-football obviously), BYU-P (all sports), and NMSU (all sports). This is assuming no politics and that someone... doesn't think that they are too good for what they really are.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
Who tho? Who could you be talking about?thegreendalegelf wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2018, 4:10 pmGonzaga - obviously
St. Mary's - due to Gonzaga and a successful BB team
University of Pacific - doesn't make sense, the bring nothing to the conference. If they aren't a big fanbase, bringing money, or a contender it does not good.
University of Denver - doesn't make sense geographically (too many schools close. no new TV market), Doesn't bring anything to the table.
Grand Canyon - I am split on this one. They have a huge student body and the potential for the phoenix tv market. Obviously it would be 3rd fiddle but better than our current stance. But they aren't proven winners. It is a gamble on if they can grow quickly.
NMSU - unlikely due to political reasons, but one of the best choices. Add Football (with BYU-Provo all sports) to make it 14 basketball and 14 football. If they continue to struggle it at least gives the Mountain division a body bag game that we have been using the West division for.
If the money works (no one is too greedy in asking for deals), I would add Gonzaga (non-football obviously), BYU-P (all sports), and NMSU (all sports). This is assuming no politics and that someone... doesn't think that they are too good for what they really are.
I agree with what you said. Gonzaga is the exception because they are so freaking good at basketball. I would love to see BYU just rot, but it would be fine I guess if they come back on the MWC terms. So my two ideal scenarios:
1.a. Bring on Gonzaga, nobody else. Leave football at 12, basketball at 12 (and improved), screw BYU (always a good thing) by taking 1/3 of their conference away from them.
1.b. Do nothing
2. Bring on the Zags. Bring BYU and NMSU in all sport to go to 14 all around.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
I don’t get the obsession with NMSU. Hell no. They bring nothing.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
Could there be any possibility the commish has been in contact with any Big Sky schools? I'd like any Montana school or even E. Washington over NMSU.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
This ^^^^^^^brownjeans wrote: ↑March 2nd, 2018, 2:02 pmJust take Gonzaga so we have travel partners. Tell BYU to call when they want to bring all sports.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
BYU has played a key roll in damaging the last two conferences they have been in. I don't like them, I don't trust them.
Only entertain BYU coming if they being football and then there is a ten year $100M buyout penalty due immediately upon a decision to leave the MW that goes down $5M power year after the tenth year is reached.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people seem high on NMSU. This is a program that has averaged less than 3.5 wins per season in the past 25 years, and only has had three winning seasons during that time. The year before that 25 year time frame began, Sport Illustrated had an article covering how historically awful NMSU had been in the previous 20 years. This is a program that has been at the absolute bottom of FBS/D1A for close to half a century. Now, after one mediocre season (7-6) in the worst conference in FBS, everyone wants them for expansion. They still have no fan or institutional support, bad facilities, no market, and zero reason to think the mediocre season will translate into any sustained success.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
swordsman1989 wrote: ↑March 4th, 2018, 9:44 amI cannot for the life of me understand why so many people seem high on NMSU. This is a program that has averaged less than 3.5 wins per season in the past 25 years, and only has had three winning seasons during that time. The year before that 25 year time frame began, Sport Illustrated had an article covering how historically awful NMSU had been in the previous 20 years. This is a program that has been at the absolute bottom of FBS/D1A for close to half a century. Now, after one mediocre season (7-6) in the worst conference in FBS, everyone wants them for expansion. They still have no fan or institutional support, bad facilities, no market, and zero reason to think the mediocre season will translate into any sustained success.
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Look in the mirror. We were pretty much in NMSU's position a mere 10-12 years ago.
Yeah, they've sucked. We sucked, got better thanks in part to the WAC and MWC invites. And now we're tetering on the edge of suckiness again in both spots.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
swordsman1989 wrote:I cannot for the life of me understand why so many people seem high on NMSU. This is a program that has averaged less than 3.5 wins per season in the past 25 years, and only has had three winning seasons during that time. The year before that 25 year time frame began, Sport Illustrated had an article covering how historically awful NMSU had been in the previous 20 years. This is a program that has been at the absolute bottom of FBS/D1A for close to half a century. Now, after one mediocre season (7-6) in the worst conference in FBS, everyone wants them for expansion. They still have no fan or institutional support, bad facilities, no market, and zero reason to think the mediocre season will translate into any sustained success.
I’ve thought the same thing. I don’t get it. New Mexico State adds nothing.
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The big difference, and I mean BIG difference, is that USU had made some significant investments in its program in the years leading up to the WAC/MWC invites. The Stan Laub Center was completed in the late 1990s, prior to the WAC invite. The Laub Athletics and Academics Complex was completed (in 2008) and the Icon Strength and Conditioning Center was announced (in January 2012) prior to the MWC invite in May 2012. New Mexico State has made very little improvements in its facilities in recent years, the last major upgrade coming in 2004 with their Fulton Athletics Center. If NMSU had made significant investment in facilities in recent years, and shown a major commitment to their program, as USU had done in the five years prior to the MWC invite, then I would be far more supportive of their inclusion.AggieBlues wrote: ↑March 4th, 2018, 10:43 amswordsman1989 wrote: ↑March 4th, 2018, 9:44 amI cannot for the life of me understand why so many people seem high on NMSU. This is a program that has averaged less than 3.5 wins per season in the past 25 years, and only has had three winning seasons during that time. The year before that 25 year time frame began, Sport Illustrated had an article covering how historically awful NMSU had been in the previous 20 years. This is a program that has been at the absolute bottom of FBS/D1A for close to half a century. Now, after one mediocre season (7-6) in the worst conference in FBS, everyone wants them for expansion. They still have no fan or institutional support, bad facilities, no market, and zero reason to think the mediocre season will translate into any sustained success.I don't have any great love for NMSU, but to cast such aspersions from our mediocre and lowly perch smacks of low self-confidence, lashing out at our peers to desperately make ourselves feel better.
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Look in the mirror. We were pretty much in NMSU's position a mere 10-12 years ago.
Yeah, they've sucked. We sucked, got better thanks in part to the WAC and MWC invites. And now we're tetering on the edge of suckiness again in both spots.
But by the grace of god...and Gary Anderson and Craig Thompson... go I.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
You guys remember a few years back when there was talk about CUSA merging with the MWC for a super-duper conference? Remember that???? That + Gonzaga???
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
We should merge with the PAC-12 and Big Sky and form a three-tier league.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
it would benefit everyone BUT the PAC 12... especially the lower tier teamsBigBlueDart wrote: ↑March 6th, 2018, 12:34 pmWe should merge with the PAC-12 and Big Sky and form a three-tier league.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
Try the last three, it was BYU (with their man, and number one Aggie hater,Ernie Wilkinson) who led the charge for the destruction of the Skyline Conference, when they created the WAC. This move left USU homeless. This BYU-led movement not only blew up the Skyline Conference but the Border Conference as well.dyedblue wrote: ↑March 3rd, 2018, 1:51 pmBYU has played a key roll in damaging the last two conferences they have been in. I don't like them, I don't trust them.
Only entertain BYU coming if they being football and then there is a ten year $100M buyout penalty due immediately upon a decision to leave the MW that goes down $5M power year after the tenth year is reached.
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Re: Expansion Candidates - Who are they?
I think it was the Arizona schools and New Mexico that blew up the border conference. Losing Texas Tech earlier probably didn't help either.
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