Questions about Prop 1

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Re: Questions about Prop 1

Post by brownjeans » November 6th, 2018, 9:52 am

NVAggie wrote:
November 6th, 2018, 9:31 am
So some rich guy can't put in a new football field material on his own dime?
That sounds like a nice thing to do for a private school. Perhaps if rich guy wants to give his kid an advantage, rich guy should consider sending his kid to one of those?



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Re: Questions about Prop 1

Post by brownjeans » November 6th, 2018, 9:56 am

2004AG wrote:
November 6th, 2018, 9:36 am
brownjeans wrote:I'd feel better about paying more taxes for public education if public education provided equal access. This would require all schools to be funded equally based on enrollment. It would also require all extra donations to be put into a pool and divided equally based on enrollment (ending direct, private donations to a specific school).
Ya and all the extra donations would dry up to zero.
You mean our legislature would have to have some balls and fund schools with taxes instead of refusing to raise taxes so they look like good conservatives and pushing fund-raising through back-door methods? What's wrong with that?



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Re: Questions about Prop 1

Post by 2004AG » November 6th, 2018, 11:01 am

brownjeans wrote:
2004AG wrote:
November 6th, 2018, 9:36 am
brownjeans wrote:I'd feel better about paying more taxes for public education if public education provided equal access. This would require all schools to be funded equally based on enrollment. It would also require all extra donations to be put into a pool and divided equally based on enrollment (ending direct, private donations to a specific school).
Ya and all the extra donations would dry up to zero.
You mean our legislature would have to have some balls and fund schools with taxes instead of refusing to raise taxes so they look like good conservatives and pushing fund-raising through back-door methods? What's wrong with that?
Because you’re cutting off your nose to spite your face.


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Re: Questions about Prop 1

Post by brownjeans » November 6th, 2018, 12:37 pm

2004AG wrote:
November 6th, 2018, 11:01 am
brownjeans wrote:
2004AG wrote:
November 6th, 2018, 9:36 am
brownjeans wrote:I'd feel better about paying more taxes for public education if public education provided equal access. This would require all schools to be funded equally based on enrollment. It would also require all extra donations to be put into a pool and divided equally based on enrollment (ending direct, private donations to a specific school).
Ya and all the extra donations would dry up to zero.
You mean our legislature would have to have some balls and fund schools with taxes instead of refusing to raise taxes so they look like good conservatives and pushing fund-raising through back-door methods? What's wrong with that?
Because you’re cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Nope, I'm asking people be honest about my nose and face.



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Re: Questions about Prop 1

Post by dhilk3785 » November 7th, 2018, 9:03 am

Well that went much more lopsided than I expected...


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Post by TheAKAggie » November 7th, 2018, 10:41 am

Our Schools Now really screwed the pooch on this one.


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Re: Questions about Prop 1

Post by 2004AG » November 7th, 2018, 10:57 am

Great. Now we can hire more administrators.


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Post by Jjoey53 » November 7th, 2018, 11:01 am

2004AG wrote:Great. Now we can hire more administrators.


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There are way too many non teaching positions, cut some.


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Re: Questions about Prop 1

Post by utaggies » November 8th, 2018, 12:40 am

Jjoey53 wrote:
November 7th, 2018, 11:01 am
2004AG wrote:Great. Now we can hire more administrators.


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There are way too many non teaching positions, cut some.


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Uninformed people keep stating this, but it is not factual. Utah in #49 in the nation relative to the ratio of administrators to students.

The approach on this proposition was very bad. Mixing a road tax with education funding was stupid. Fund roads separately from education. It's better to fund education using state imcome tax that is earmarked already for education. However, if you want to use a gas tax to do so specifically dedicate a percentage of the sales tax revenue to go to education. The same is already done for water infrastructure. But don't throw all of the $ into a pot to be divied up.

Better yet, improve funding for education either by eliminating the state income tax deduction for those with more than [choose a number] children OR by implementing a head tax.



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Re: Questions about Prop 1

Post by Jjoey53 » November 8th, 2018, 9:56 am

The best way to raise money for education if it s insisted upon is to impose a lodging tax. Utah has a lot of tourists, let them pay for it.


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Re: Questions about Prop 1

Post by utaggies » November 8th, 2018, 12:25 pm

Jjoey53 wrote:
November 8th, 2018, 9:56 am
The best way to raise money for education if it s insisted upon is to impose a lodging tax. Utah has a lot of tourists, let them pay for it.


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I guess the only fair tax is the one someone else pays.

A lodging tax is more disconnected from funding the education from our children than a gas tax is. The state does not receive $ from the transient room tax. Only counties and municipalities do. Regardless, Salt Lake City received a total of $2.8 million from this tax during 2015, the last year I could find records. Even dedicating 100% of that amount to the educating of Salt Lake City's children would represent less than a 1% revenue increase in the Salt Lake School District's budget. It would be much less in the majority of other school districts. You'll need to think through this notion through a bit more.

Why not have those that use the system pay more to sustain it?



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