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DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I believe he stated "not including seniors" as in this is his priority list moving forward. Julion and Alex are gone after this season.Yossarian wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 11:39 am
I would add Dargenton to the top 3 or 4 on this list (is he not on scholarship?). He adds some length and athleticism in the post that nobody else here does. He gets pushed around a lot by bigger, stronger players, but his weak side help defense is better than anyone on the team and he can rebound. His absence has been felt in several games.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Well, see there --- I spouted off without reading again. Then I look silly.Aglicious wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 12:04 pmI believe he stated "not including seniors" as in this is his priority list moving forward. Julion and Alex are gone after this season.Yossarian wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 11:39 am
I would add Dargenton to the top 3 or 4 on this list (is he not on scholarship?). He adds some length and athleticism in the post that nobody else here does. He gets pushed around a lot by bigger, stronger players, but his weak side help defense is better than anyone on the team and he can rebound. His absence has been felt in several games.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Dargenton is not there because the ranking excluded seniors. I think 1 & 2 are correct but 8 & 9 should be reversed. And yes I haven't seen enough of Brock to form a good opinion either.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
You can never look silly Yoss! The ladies tell me you are both genteel and debonair...Yossarian wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 12:08 pmWell, see there --- I spouted off without reading again. Then I look silly.Aglicious wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 12:04 pmI believe he stated "not including seniors" as in this is his priority list moving forward. Julion and Alex are gone after this season.Yossarian wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 11:39 am
I would add Dargenton to the top 3 or 4 on this list (is he not on scholarship?). He adds some length and athleticism in the post that nobody else here does. He gets pushed around a lot by bigger, stronger players, but his weak side help defense is better than anyone on the team and he can rebound. His absence has been felt in several games.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I saw enough of Brock to know that he belongs in the top 5 on the list. He should've probably been starting earlier in the year, and was going to be starting following the game he went out with injury. Great shooter, takes care of the ball, has size, good basketball IQ. Looked calm and composed out there. From all accounts he's also an incredible teammate and locker room presence as well.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Ahh. Ainge is such an obvious waste of a scholarship, it didn't merit mention. I feel you, man. Isby is an open question. Given where we are in the season, the answer to that question may be getting more and more obvious, but I still hold out some faint hope that something will click at some point. Zero hope for Ainge.OKAggie wrote: ↑January 29th, 2018, 9:58 pmStop at your first comma* and you'll find your answer. Ainge is obviously a wasted scholarship, and why dwell on the obvious? But we weren't really counting on him this year anyway. Isby is a juco transfer, and you only give them a scholarship if you expect them to contribute right away. He isn't, and despite his gifts doesn't appear to know how.ChicAggie wrote: ↑January 29th, 2018, 2:46 pmI find your response curious, OK. Your topic line specifically asks whether Isby is a wasted scholarship, not which Aggie player is most disappointing. It seems to be a fair response for someone to posit that Crew seems to be a bigger waste of a scholarship than Isby. I'm with oleblu: at least Isby has shown flashes of real talent. Perhaps something will click with him at some point, and he'll contribute. I don't anticipate that happening with Ainge unless he finds a reservoir of previously hidden talent.OKAggie wrote: ↑January 22nd, 2018, 7:49 amIf you want to talk about Crew Ainge, there's a New Topic button at the top of the forum. I had zero expectations of young Crew, and so am not disappointed. Isby is a Juco transfer and has talent, but he's a net liability every time he steps on the floor (the Utah game is the exception that proves the rule, and shows the level of talent).
As to your hope that something will click with Isby: we're 2/3 through the season, a fair sample size for a juco transfer. It ain't gonna happen. He's this year's Barnaba.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Seems sad that we have grown (I can't express myself without swearing) people saying that kids going to school working their butts off and playing basketball are a waste of a scholarship. SMH!
I know that this is a forum where opinions are welcomed, but sometimes you should keep your opinion to yourself. Explains why it’s hard to get recruits here. Wasted scholarship.......... geez.
I know that this is a forum where opinions are welcomed, but sometimes you should keep your opinion to yourself. Explains why it’s hard to get recruits here. Wasted scholarship.......... geez.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Classic question-begging. Also: Isby's an adult.Hoopsnut wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 7:43 pmSeems sad that we have grown a** people saying that kids going to school working their butts off and playing basketball are a waste of a scholarship. SMH!
I know that this is a forum where opinions are welcomed, but sometimes you should keep your opinion to yourself. Explains why it’s hard to get recruits here. Wasted scholarship.......... geez.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Is this a joke? In conference play, Ainge's ORtg is 36.7, literally one of the worst ORtgs I've ever seen. His DRtg is 110.4, which is also subpar and one of the worst on the team. Certainly not a DRtg that you would see from a "great defender" or a "stopper." When you combine these two numbers, Ainge's NetRtg is a -73.7. That means he gives up a whopping 73.7 points more per 100 possessions than he scores. That has to be one of the worst NetRtg's in the history of college basketball. Now, granted, he's played only 22 minutes in conference games, but he has played 88 minutes total on the season, with an overall NetRtg of -60.6, which is still pretty gawdawful. I don't mean to be heartless, but unless something changes DRAMATICALLY with Ainge's game, he should never see another minute on the court unless he's carrying a mop.
Indeed, the only Aggies with a positive NetRtg in conference play are Merrill (+27.4 [phenomenal!!!]), Henson (+10.8 [this kid needs more PT]), Taylor (+11.1 [most underrated Aggie]), and Dargenton (+2.0). Koby had a nice positive NetRtg last season (+8.1), but this season he is at -13.0 in conference play and -7.4 overall. Have to wonder if he is either injured or pressing too much. Perhaps with Moore's departure, Koby thinks he has to be "the man" and has put too much pressure on himself. He needs to step back, take a lesson from Merrill, and let the game slow down and come to him. He's a great talent, and we need him to have a more positive impact on the court to win ball games.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
For what it is worth TD said on the coaches show that Ainge will be getting more playing time and that he has earned it. I don’t think there is a large enough sample size on Ainge yet. I remember when I thought Brito needed to be counseled out and he is better than I thought he would be. Perhaps in the coming games we will see more of what Ainge can or cannot do. I think the stats mentioned above for Ainge need to be taken with a grain of salt because most of his time has been garbage time or short spurts of 2 or 3 possessions. It appears he has passed Isby and Porter on the depth chart.ChicAggie wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 11:49 pmIs this a joke? In conference play, Ainge's ORtg is 36.7, literally one of the worst ORtgs I've ever seen. His DRtg is 110.4, which is also subpar and one of the worst on the team. Certainly not a DRtg that you would see from a "great defender" or a "stopper." When you combine these two numbers, Ainge's NetRtg is a -73.7. That means he gives up a whopping 73.7 points more per 100 possessions than he scores. That has to be one of the worst NetRtg's in the history of college basketball. Now, granted, he's played only 22 minutes in conference games, but he has played 88 minutes total on the season, with an overall NetRtg of -60.6, which is still pretty gawdawful. I don't mean to be heartless, but unless something changes DRAMATICALLY with Ainge's game, he should never see another minute on the court unless he's carrying a mop.
Indeed, the only Aggies with a positive NetRtg in conference play are Merrill (+27.4 [phenomenal!!!]), Henson (+10.8 [this kid needs more PT]), Taylor (+11.1 [most underrated Aggie]), and Dargenton (+2.0). Koby had a nice positive NetRtg last season (+8.1), but this season he is at -13.0 in conference play and -7.4 overall. Have to wonder if he is either injured or pressing too much. Perhaps with Moore's departure, Koby thinks he has to be "the man" and has put too much pressure on himself. He needs to step back, take a lesson from Merrill, and let the game slow down and come to him. He's a great talent, and we need him to have a more positive impact on the court to win ball games.
Oh, wait, what is the thread topic again?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Not to exacerbate the thread-jack, but...
does it seem strange to anyone else that TD's assertion (noted above) AND Ainge's increased PT in anything but garbage time coincide almost exactly with the timing of his little post-game hissy-fit (which I, admittedly, didn't witness personally but which has been reported on and discussed elsewhere viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45348)? Am I overanalyzing?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I thought the same thing.ShowMeAggie wrote:Not to exacerbate the thread-jack, but...
does it seem strange to anyone else that TD's assertion (noted above) AND Ainge's increased PT in anything but garbage time coincide almost exactly with the timing of his little post-game hissy-fit (which I, admittedly, didn't witness personally but which has been reported on and discussed elsewhere viewtopic.php?f=6&t=45348)? Am I overanalyzing?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Wonder if Danny offered to make a sizable contribution to the charity of Duryea's choice.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Doubtful. Playing Crew more is going to make it more likely that the "charity of Duryea's choice" will be the Tim Duryea Career Remediation Fund.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Who else is he going to play?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Anybody but Ainge. Would rather have no PG on the court.
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There isn’t much to choose from. That bench is THIN.ChicAggie wrote:Anybody but Ainge. Would rather have no PG on the court.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Isby must really be in the doghouse to have not seen the floor at all tonight. As TD said in his post game the bench was awful tonight.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I agree with you on Isby. How deep in the doghouse can he be if Porter and Ainge are getting more PT? Henson gets 4 fouls in 13 minutes? No es bueno. How our starters are going to be able to play on average 35 minutes per game for 2, 3 or 4 consecutive nights during the MWC tourney will be a mystery. Perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Nope, not a joke. Almost a direct quote. I watch practice. Ainge does a really good job of getting after our guys and making them better. I'd wager the defensive rating is due to his height, not how fast he moves his feet and gets to spots. From my vantage point on the floor this evening, he got his fingers or hands on a UNM ball three times in one possession. Does he have a long way to go? Sure. He's a freshman who was recruited to play a role. He's doing it.ChicAggie wrote: ↑January 30th, 2018, 11:49 pmIs this a joke? In conference play, Ainge's ORtg is 36.7, literally one of the worst ORtgs I've ever seen. His DRtg is 110.4, which is also subpar and one of the worst on the team. Certainly not a DRtg that you would see from a "great defender" or a "stopper." When you combine these two numbers, Ainge's NetRtg is a -73.7. That means he gives up a whopping 73.7 points more per 100 possessions than he scores. That has to be one of the worst NetRtg's in the history of college basketball. Now, granted, he's played only 22 minutes in conference games, but he has played 88 minutes total on the season, with an overall NetRtg of -60.6, which is still pretty gawdawful. I don't mean to be heartless, but unless something changes DRAMATICALLY with Ainge's game, he should never see another minute on the court unless he's carrying a mop.
Indeed, the only Aggies with a positive NetRtg in conference play are Merrill (+27.4 [phenomenal!!!]), Henson (+10.8 [this kid needs more PT]), Taylor (+11.1 [most underrated Aggie]), and Dargenton (+2.0). Koby had a nice positive NetRtg last season (+8.1), but this season he is at -13.0 in conference play and -7.4 overall. Have to wonder if he is either injured or pressing too much. Perhaps with Moore's departure, Koby thinks he has to be "the man" and has put too much pressure on himself. He needs to step back, take a lesson from Merrill, and let the game slow down and come to him. He's a great talent, and we need him to have a more positive impact on the court to win ball games.
Oh, wait, what is the thread topic again?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I concede you have much more insight than I do since I have only watched him play in games, and not in practice, but I have seen him be on the receiving end of several blow-bys and make poor decisions on the offensive end of the court. I haven't really paid attention to his off-the-ball defense and I also missed the exchange where he had three deflections in a single possession. All I saw is poor play leading to a 9-0 UNM run, and much of that poor play seemed attributable to Ainge.Ahbye wrote: ↑January 31st, 2018, 11:24 pmNope, not a joke. Almost a direct quote. I watch practice. Ainge does a really good job of getting after our guys and making them better. I'd wager the defensive rating is due to his height, not how fast he moves his feet and gets to spots. From my vantage point on the floor this evening, he got his fingers or hands on a UNM ball three times in one possession. Does he have a long way to go? Sure. He's a freshman who was recruited to play a role. He's doing it.
As far as him being a freshman who was recruited to play a role that he is playing, I guess I would suggest we aim higher when recruiting "role players." I get it. We are not Kentucky. We can't recruit 10 or even 5 (or even 1) future NBA players on a given team. That said, we have recruited several role players over the years who have had a significant positive impact, and I don't see that happening with Ainge. I do see it in Brito and Taylor. Neither is a "star," but both make good things happen.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I think Bean is a red-shirt this year- at least that's what the program said. With all the injuries, the bench is going to be thin for the foreseeable future.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Isby needs a throw a temper tantrum line Ainge did. Maybe that will get him more playing time.
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If we get Alex and Julion back that should help a lot. That would give us an 8 man rotation without Crew or Abel getting playing time. Anyone know when we can expect the get Julion back? I know Alex should be back for the next game.gametime12 wrote: ↑February 1st, 2018, 8:56 amI think Bean is a red-shirt this year- at least that's what the program said. With all the injuries, the bench is going to be thin for the foreseeable future.
Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Even if we don't get Pearre and Dargenton back soon that's okay because I would prefer to give the playing time/experience to our younger players that will be here next year. Although it will be nice to have Pearre and Dargenton back to give the other players a rest.
Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I agree, in the case of giving Henson more minutes. I think Ainge and Porter need some time on the bench. Particularly Ainge needs some consequences for blowing up on a coach. Stew always used to say (paraphrasing) the players can do what they want, but I decide who plays and how much.thansen wrote: ↑February 1st, 2018, 11:58 amEven if we don't get Pearre and Dargenton back soon that's okay because I would prefer to give the playing time/experience to our younger players that will be here next year. Although it will be nice to have Pearre and Dargenton back to give the other players a rest.
Don’t know what Isby did to get in the doghouse so badly that Ainge gets playing time over him, but I would think Ainge should have to work his way out of the doghouse as well.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
I did not know that. He dresses for the games???gametime12 wrote: ↑February 1st, 2018, 8:56 amI think Bean is a red-shirt this year- at least that's what the program said. With all the injuries, the bench is going to be thin for the foreseeable future.
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I can remember a lot of people here were upset about Taylor getting a scholarship. I certainly feel he earned it at the time and even more so now.
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My recollection is that Taylor had them by the short ones. He was originally a walk-on in '12-'13 when he red-shirted and then went on a mission during the '13-'14 and '14-'15 seasons. Upon returning he again walked on for the '15-'16 season but afterwards demanded a scholarship or said that he would walk. With Lew Evans having transferred to Tennessee at the end of '15 -'16 and Colleen having bailed at the beginning of that same season, TD was in dire straits for a center. Taylor got his schollie. It's worked out well for the former 6'6" HS guard and for USU.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
Does anyone else immediately think of Micky Rooney when they see Crew Ainge playing? Or is it just me?
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
That's pretty much how it went. I still don't think Taylor is a scholarship player but he makes/made the most out of the situation and played it well in his favor. Had the position EVER been recruited properly he wouldn't see the floor hardly at all. Not bagging on Taylor, I'm only being real.utaggies wrote: ↑February 1st, 2018, 9:35 pmMy recollection is that Taylor had them by the short ones. He was originally a walk-on in '12-'13 when he red-shirted and then went on a mission during the '13-'14 and '14-'15 seasons. Upon returning he again walked on for the '15-'16 season but afterwards demanded a scholarship or said that he would walk. With Lew Evans having transferred to Tennessee at the end of '15 -'16 and Colleen having bailed at the beginning of that same season, TD was in dire straits for a center. Taylor got his schollie. It's worked out well for the former 6'6" HS guard and for USU.
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Re: DeAngelo Isby: wasted scholarship, or am I missing something?
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