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Questions about Prop 1
Looking at prop #1 on ourkids1st.com, If passed the U of U will bring home 6.8 mill and USU around 4.8 Million etc.. I thought that USU with all the satellite campuses had more students than the U? Why are they getting the lions share of the money? How much does this bump up coach Wells pay? Are all the USU coaches hiding behind children (T.V. Ads) for this money?
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I don't see a proposition 1.
https://elections.utah.gov/2018-election-information
If you're referring to "Nonbinding Opinion Question" our votes don't enact a law. Personally I don't like this law and will vote Against.
They're combining education and transportation. It smells to me like they're using children (education) as grease to get a roads bill passed.
https://elections.utah.gov/2018-election-information
If you're referring to "Nonbinding Opinion Question" our votes don't enact a law. Personally I don't like this law and will vote Against.
They're combining education and transportation. It smells to me like they're using children (education) as grease to get a roads bill passed.
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There are more students that attend the U. of Utah than all of the satellite campuses and Logan campus combined.
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Yes, the reasoning behind this is the Our Schools Now initiative, which put itself on hold to try and get the legislature to increase classroom funds. There was an income tax proposed, a sales tax income tax proposal, then the legislature said they have been pushing money towards roads instead of education, so if this passes it can go back to the classrooms.brownjeans wrote:I don't see a proposition 1.
https://elections.utah.gov/2018-election-information
If you're referring to "Nonbinding Opinion Question" our votes don't enact a law. Personally I don't like this law and will vote Against.
They're combining education and transportation. It smells to me like they're using children (education) as grease to get a roads bill passed.
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Voted against everyone except the military service one. The Utah GOP act more like Dems everyday, they haven’t met a tax they didn’t like.
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None of the money will go to higher education at USU or UofU. It can only be used to pay teachers or manage class sizes. It will be paid for by a 10 cent per gallon increase in the state gas tax.
IMO, it's a terrible solution. Our Schools Now should have stuck with their initiative that would have increased the funding through sales and income taxes.
The gas tax puts the cost burden on the wrong population.
IMO, it's a terrible solution. Our Schools Now should have stuck with their initiative that would have increased the funding through sales and income taxes.
The gas tax puts the cost burden on the wrong population.
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BearLakeMonster wrote:None of the money will go to higher education at USU or UofU. It can only be used to pay teachers or manage class sizes. It will be paid for by a 10 cent per gallon increase in the state gas tax.
IMO, it's a terrible solution. Our Schools Now should have stuck with their initiative that would have increased the funding through sales and income taxes.
The gas tax puts the cost burden on the wrong population.
Fact #1: 100% of all Utah income tax goes to education.
Fact #2: 45% of your property tax (average) goes to eduction. That is more than your county, city, fire and water districts, etc spend combined.
Fact #3: I paid more than $500 in fees for my two high school students. That is class fees, none of which are sports or activity related.
Where is all that money going? It certainly isn't into the teacher's pocket so where is it going? I feel our tax burden for education is sufficient and am reluctant to support increasing it until after a full accounting (audit) is completed and we can see exactly where the holes are and where the waste is.
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It’s almost like a bunch of single income families are having a ton of kids or something.dyedblue wrote:BearLakeMonster wrote:None of the money will go to higher education at USU or UofU. It can only be used to pay teachers or manage class sizes. It will be paid for by a 10 cent per gallon increase in the state gas tax.
IMO, it's a terrible solution. Our Schools Now should have stuck with their initiative that would have increased the funding through sales and income taxes.
The gas tax puts the cost burden on the wrong population.
Fact #1: 100% of all Utah income tax goes to education.
Fact #2: 45% of your property tax (average) goes to eduction. That is more than your county, city, fire and water districts, etc spend combined.
Fact #3: I paid more than $500 in fees for my two high school students. That is class fees, none of which are sports or activity related.
Where is all that money going? It certainly isn't into the teacher's pocket so where is it going? I feel our tax burden for education is sufficient and am reluctant to support increasing it until after a full accounting (audit) is completed and we can see exactly where the holes are and where the waste is.
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I voted against it, we already pay 47.81 cents per gallon (18.40 Fed, 29.41 Utah), that's enough. Factor in how our gas prices are already high enough. My parents live in Missouri and their 87 octane (they don't have 85 octane, I think it's only higher elevation areas) is always about 50-60 cents cheaper per gallon that we pay for 87 octane.
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I like giving money to education. I also like giving people a reason to be more fuel conscious. Push people towards higher MPG and electrical vehicles. Good things on both sides.
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thegreendalegelf wrote:I like giving money to education. I also like giving people a reason to be more fuel conscious. Push people towards higher MPG and electrical vehicles. Good things on both sides.
You are free to donate as much as you like to the state. Just don’t make the rest of us do it. Vote no
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The last gas tax increase by the state of Utah was touted the same way. They only include education so that it will tug on the heart strings. The last increase was mostly used for roads. No thank you.
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I voted yes.
Per a September report from Channel 4 Good4Utah:
"If voters say yes, a 10-cent per gallon tax will be added to your fuel; three cents will go to roads, and seven cents would go straight to the Teacher and Student Success Account.
The TSSA will funnel $150 per student per school year to individual schools based on enrollment. Schools will only have access to the funds if they create a plan for the money that will directly lead to student academic success in the classroom, and is approved by their local school board."
https://www.good4utah.com/news/local-ne ... 1424059642
Per a September report from Channel 4 Good4Utah:
"If voters say yes, a 10-cent per gallon tax will be added to your fuel; three cents will go to roads, and seven cents would go straight to the Teacher and Student Success Account.
The TSSA will funnel $150 per student per school year to individual schools based on enrollment. Schools will only have access to the funds if they create a plan for the money that will directly lead to student academic success in the classroom, and is approved by their local school board."
https://www.good4utah.com/news/local-ne ... 1424059642
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Good intentions seem to have a way of not happening in the long run.dhilk3785 wrote:I voted yes.
Per a September report from Channel 4 Good4Utah:
"If voters say yes, a 10-cent per gallon tax will be added to your fuel; three cents will go to roads, and seven cents would go straight to the Teacher and Student Success Account.
The TSSA will funnel $150 per student per school year to individual schools based on enrollment. Schools will only have access to the funds if they create a plan for the money that will directly lead to student academic success in the classroom, and is approved by their local school board."
https://www.good4utah.com/news/local-ne ... 1424059642
I voted no too.
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There is no guarantee and the initial compromise said 8 to education 2 to roads. That changed quickly
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I wish our schools now would gave stuck to their guns and agreed to this.dyedblue wrote:There is no guarantee and the initial compromise said 8 to education 2 to roads. That changed quickly
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My issue is look who is behind it. Gail Miller and Scott Anderson (Zion’s Bank CEO). If they want to give more of their excess, they are free to give. But don’t do it with a progressive tax increase. The lower income people spend a much higher % of their income on the basic necessities. I’m sure that Gail and Scott only spend 0.00001% of their income on gas. A family with an income of $40,000 could spend 3-5% of their annual income on gas. An increase in the gas tax absolutely kills the lower income folks.
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Nailed it. Just like UTA. They need to fix the problems before asking for more.
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dhilk3785 wrote:I voted yes.
Per a September report from Channel 4 Good4Utah:
"If voters say yes, a 10-cent per gallon tax will be added to your fuel; three cents will go to roads, and seven cents would go straight to the Teacher and Student Success Account.
The TSSA will funnel $150 per student per school year to individual schools based on enrollment. Schools will only have access to the funds if they create a plan for the money that will directly lead to student academic success in the classroom, and is approved by their local school board."
https://www.good4utah.com/news/local-ne ... 1424059642
If you are so interested in giving the state money, I suggest you get your checkbook out and write a real big check to the State of Utah, but do not force the rest of us to pay for additional spending. I proudly voted no.
Btw, they just raised it a year ago.
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You are misinformed about the facts.
http://www.governing.com/topics/educati ... tates.html
Utah is #49 in the nation in per-student administrative/non-teaching costs.
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The most approrpriate way to augment Utah's education program would be through a head tax. But most Utahns are in the "get-something-for-nothing" frame of mind. We Aggies are like that, too. We want to field a MWC champion-caliber team year in and year out but do so by funding our program with a near the bottom budget.
I'm all for increasing our education expenditures, be that through a gas tax increase, head tax, income tax increase or other means. Period.
And no, I am not a teacher and no I do not have any children in the school system.
I'm all for increasing our education expenditures, be that through a gas tax increase, head tax, income tax increase or other means. Period.
And no, I am not a teacher and no I do not have any children in the school system.
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Something for nothing? We need to tax drivers of electric cars. They should pay a surcharge when they purchase the vehicle instead of getting a tax break since they are not paying the gas tax for roads. Or charge a per mile tax. If we are all driving electric cars in 10 to 20 years we need to figure out how to pay for the infrastructure.
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I agree.USUaggie wrote: ↑November 1st, 2018, 4:37 pmSomething for nothing? We need to tax drivers of electric cars. They should pay a surcharge when they purchase the vehicle instead of getting a tax break since they are not paying the gas tax for roads. Or charge a per mile tax. If we are all driving electric cars in 10 to 20 years we need to figure out how to pay for the infrastructure.
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What are school fees if not a head tax?
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School fees are collected for elective participatory activities of students. These include sports, cheer leading, band, drill team, student government, performing arts, etc. They don't go to cover the costs of a basic education. The average fee collected last year per student was $250. That amount is less than 4% of the average per-pupil expenditure for primary and secondary education in Utah.
Why not have families that have more than 3 children in the public school system pay increasingly more for the state to educate those additional children?
In Utah we believe in the concept of "user pays" until it comes to public education. I believe the public has a responsibility to help pay for the cost of educating the state's children. But those that contribute more to the burden should help bear the greater cost.
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My kids don't participate in any of those activities... The fees are for basic classes they are taking. I have no problem helping pay for my kid's education, but 48% property tax, 100% income tax, and $500 in fees should cover a lot of the costs. Right?
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Is the fee the teacher saying “please give $x.xx for supplies”? Or the school saying “pay $x.xx or your child can’t attend”?dyedblue wrote:My kids don't participate in any of those activities... The fees are for basic classes they are taking. I have no problem helping pay for my kid's education, but 48% property tax, 100% income tax, and $500 in fees should cover a lot of the costs. Right?
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I think I have been pretty clear, it is a list of fees - cash - money to attend and take classes. This is high school, not elementary school.
I'm not talking Kleenex and crayons.
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But what kind of fees?!?dyedblue wrote:I think I have been pretty clear, it is a list of fees - cash - money to attend and take classes. This is high school, not elementary school.
I'm not talking Kleenex and crayons.
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I doubt your kids are being charged for taking a math or English class, unless there was some kind of travel activity associated with the class or if the class was an advanced placement or college credit class. Here's the audit that was recently done on fees charged by school districts:
https://schools.utah.gov/file/746e31d4- ... d652dc3616
Please identify the specific class your kids were charged a fee for and the fee charged and then we can talk specifics instead of generalities.
https://schools.utah.gov/file/746e31d4- ... d652dc3616
Please identify the specific class your kids were charged a fee for and the fee charged and then we can talk specifics instead of generalities.
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Utah has the highest birth rate in the nation by a long shot, plus our seniors live much longer than the national average. A few minor factors, but still worth noting are that Utah has a very low amount of students in private schools, high autism and asthma rates compared to other states, and we are still last in per pupil spending. As long as “children” are a spiritual decision and not an economic consideration for our legislature nothing will change. A head tax would help, but it ain’t happening here anytime soon.
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I'd feel better about paying more taxes for public education if public education provided equal access. This would require all schools to be funded equally based on enrollment. It would also require all extra donations to be put into a pool and divided equally based on enrollment (ending direct, private donations to a specific school).
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So some rich guy can't put in a new football field material on his own dime?
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Ya and all the extra donations would dry up to zero.brownjeans wrote:I'd feel better about paying more taxes for public education if public education provided equal access. This would require all schools to be funded equally based on enrollment. It would also require all extra donations to be put into a pool and divided equally based on enrollment (ending direct, private donations to a specific school).
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