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Re: Wells still sucks in Close Games
^^^^^^^^^ratofallaggies wrote:Soooo predictable, now that the offense didn't move as well it's back to being MW fault instead of Yosts credit when the offense is moving. Tompkins is the kick returner and fumbled the ball... not Wells. I'm pretty sure that if he had let it go and it dribbled down to the two yrd line, the same ones on here (I can't express myself without swearing) that he attempted to field the punt would be doing the same thing about letting it go. Have fun complaining about a W fellas! 10-1 and the chance to host the CCG are on the horizon. Go Aggies!
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bigblue wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:48 pm^^^^^^^^^ratofallaggies wrote:Soooo predictable, now that the offense didn't move as well it's back to being MW fault instead of Yosts credit when the offense is moving. Tompkins is the kick returner and fumbled the ball... not Wells. I'm pretty sure that if he had let it go and it dribbled down to the two yrd line, the same ones on here (I can't express myself without swearing) that he attempted to field the punt would be doing the same thing about letting it go. Have fun complaining about a W fellas! 10-1 and the chance to host the CCG are on the horizon. Go Aggies!
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Actually, he had four punt returns coming into today's game and is the only player other than Nathan to return a punt.Elkaggie wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:34 pmTrue if he had played in 11 games and fielded a bunch of punts throughout the year and had shown he could execute the play. This was his first game receiving kicks as a freshman and the first time in this situation with so much at stake. I would have instructed him to fake fair catch and whatever you do don’t touch the freaking ball.GeoAg wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:19 pmThis thread is nutso.
Thompkins has been the backup there all year and hasn't muffed a punt. Nobody is really a freshman anymore in game 11. If Wells would have put some one else in who hadn't been practicing abd they muffed the punt, that would have been questionable. Playing the guy who has been the backup all year at that position is not. If he would have not trues to catch it and gave up 25 yards of field position you all would have complained about that. No coaching error on that period.
Say what you want but he’s a freshman in his first game. Sorry.
Are you seriously arguing that it would have been a better idea to put in an upperclassman who hadn't fielded a punt all year?
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I probably would have had an upperclassmen back there.
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It's so Monday morning QB to say our punt returner shouldn't have tried to catch the ball.
The only mistake made in that play is that Tompkins didn't catch it.
The only mistake made in that play is that Tompkins didn't catch it.
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No. Not at all. See bold above.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:59 pmActually, he had four punt returns coming into today's game and is the only player other than Nathan to return a punt.Elkaggie wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:34 pmTrue if he had played in 11 games and fielded a bunch of punts throughout the year and had shown he could execute the play. This was his first game receiving kicks as a freshman and the first time in this situation with so much at stake. I would have instructed him to fake fair catch and whatever you do don’t touch the freaking ball.GeoAg wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:19 pmThis thread is nutso.
Thompkins has been the backup there all year and hasn't muffed a punt. Nobody is really a freshman anymore in game 11. If Wells would have put some one else in who hadn't been practicing abd they muffed the punt, that would have been questionable. Playing the guy who has been the backup all year at that position is not. If he would have not trues to catch it and gave up 25 yards of field position you all would have complained about that. No coaching error on that period.
Say what you want but he’s a freshman in his first game. Sorry.
Are you seriously arguing that it would have been a better idea to put in an upperclassman who hadn't fielded a punt all year?
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Great. Now the ball rolls inside the 10 yard line and our offense that managed two decent drives up to that point is pinned to it's goal line.Elkaggie wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 8:16 pmNo. Not at all. See bold above.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:59 pmActually, he had four punt returns coming into today's game and is the only player other than Nathan to return a punt.Elkaggie wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:34 pmTrue if he had played in 11 games and fielded a bunch of punts throughout the year and had shown he could execute the play. This was his first game receiving kicks as a freshman and the first time in this situation with so much at stake. I would have instructed him to fake fair catch and whatever you do don’t touch the freaking ball.GeoAg wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:19 pmThis thread is nutso.
Thompkins has been the backup there all year and hasn't muffed a punt. Nobody is really a freshman anymore in game 11. If Wells would have put some one else in who hadn't been practicing abd they muffed the punt, that would have been questionable. Playing the guy who has been the backup all year at that position is not. If he would have not trues to catch it and gave up 25 yards of field position you all would have complained about that. No coaching error on that period.
Say what you want but he’s a freshman in his first game. Sorry.
Are you seriously arguing that it would have been a better idea to put in an upperclassman who hadn't fielded a punt all year?
He was clear for the fair catch, no traffic. He just needed to catch the ball.
If we don't trust the player to do their job then there is no reason to have them on the field.
Oh, and it was a senior who idiotically hit their QB late on the final drive putting them in position to win.
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This thread is Cougarboard worthy.
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Two fallacies in one outburst! I love it!
1) When a fan criticizes a coach, it isn’t a valid counterpoint to say that the fan couldn’t do better as a coach.
2). The original poster didn’t call for Wells to be fired tomorrow.
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No, if this was Cougar board we'd be measuring the drapes for our new offices in the SEC or Big Twelve. One of them surely will recruit us this offseason. Oh, and why aren't we ranked ahead of Alabama?astroman31 wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 8:29 pmThis thread is Cougarboard worthy.
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Fellas. IT was SNOWING, COLD, 4th QTR, everyone was frozen. Your Nationally ranked #13, A shot at a NY6 bowl game, your AHEAD/WINNING the game. Wells might land the biggest job of his life if he wins out this year. Did I mention it was SNOWING and COLD. You DONT throw your freshman who hasn't caught punts all year out there and say go catch it, don't let it bounce 5 yards down field on a cold/wet field. Basically coach's, Matt included must have had Brain Freeze in 4th qtr. This dude had no business trying to catch the punt, Nobody was even close to him.GeoAg wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:19 pmThis thread is nutso.
Thompkins has been the backup there all year and hasn't muffed a punt. Nobody is really a freshman anymore in game 11. If Wells would have put some one else in who hadn't been practicing abd they muffed the punt, that would have been questionable. Playing the guy who has been the backup all year at that position is not. If he would have not trues to catch it and gave up 25 yards of field position you all would have complained about that. No coaching error on that period.
Then Add in Matt Wells Lost in RENO 2 years ago, we lost to CSU in Logan 5-6 years ago on same play. No way do I ask a Freshman in the 4th qtr in this big of a game to catch the punt. Maybe in the 1st qtr on a Sunny Day. Maybe.
As Soon as I saw who was trying to catch it, I thought we are screwed. 100% Wells and Staff's Fault. And this wasn't the only bone head call in 4th qtr.
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But that TD pass to win the game was pretty sweet, huh?
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That doesn't count...only the perceived mistakes count.astroman31 wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:12 pmBut that TD pass to win the game was pretty sweet, huh?
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Re: Wells still sucks in Close Games
I have a feeling some of you would have felt better about a loss.
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Thank you, dogie. This is, by far, the most asinine rebuttal argument used in this forum. The minute I see someone break out the "then why don't you coach the team" line, I immediately end the debate because I realize I am dealing with a person incapable of formulating any kind of intelligent thought.dogie wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 8:34 pmTwo fallacies in one outburst! I love it!
1) When a fan criticizes a coach, it isn’t a valid counterpoint to say that the fan couldn’t do better as a coach.
2). The original poster didn’t call for Wells to be fired tomorrow.
And to be clear, I'm not saying anything bad about Wells here.
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I feel like the same posters who complain that Coach Wells is always playing not to lose rather than playing to win are upset because they think he should have called a play with the intention of trying not to lose because he was scared that something bad might happen. That is the exact same thing that people are often complaining about.
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True we are 3-1.
But today was as lucky as you can get, CSU Deserved to win, we had 2-3 calls go our way that normally don't happen on the road, so we should be 2-2. At MSU, we never came close to the end zone to tie or win came in 4th at the end, maybe we could of dialed up the D or called something on offense to get us in end zone. The Wyoming game was super fortunate as well, their Freshman QB was killing us and they put in the other dude on the final drive and he missed wide open guys. So again, we aint been good in close games this year or in past years under wells.
I am Stoked we won today. Still can t believe it. This is a special year for us, I am happy for Wells in General for the success this year. But I have zero confidence in the guy to do anything in the 4th to help us win. He just aint got it, and It in the close games. I hope we blow out Boise by 40 Next week.
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You're making a lot of maybes and if's. We're still 3-1. They don't take wins away because if how things "should" have been.AggieSox wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:28 pmTrue we are 3-1.
But today was as lucky as you can get, CSU Deserved to win, we had 2-3 calls go our way that normally don't happen on the road, so we should be 2-2. At MSU, we never came close to the end zone to tie or win came in 4th at the end, maybe we could of dialed up the D or called something on offense to get us in end zone. The Wyoming game was super fortunate as well, their Freshman QB was killing us and they put in the other dude on the final drive and he missed wide open guys. So again, we aint been good in close games this year or in past years under wells.
I am Stoked we won today. Still can t believe it. This is a special year for us, I am happy for Wells in General for the success this year. But I have zero confidence in the guy to do anything in the 4th to help us win. He just aint got it, and It in the close games. I hope we blow out Boise by 40 Next week.
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I'm stoked we won. Just pointing out how coaching just about led us to a loss. Plain and Simple.TheAKAggie wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:25 pmI have a feeling some of you would have felt better about a loss.
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Totally Agree! Just pointing out that Wells aint been good in Close games and this year is better, but not by much. For a 7 year head coach, you would think he would have end of game situations handled by now. Never going to be perfect, but I do expect better game management from a 7 year head coach vs a 1-2 year head coach.AgMac wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:25 pmThank you, dogie. This is, by far, the most asinine rebuttal argument used in this forum. The minute I see someone break out the "then why don't you coach the team" line, I immediately end the debate because I realize I am dealing with a person incapable of formulating any kind of intelligent thought.dogie wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 8:34 pmTwo fallacies in one outburst! I love it!
1) When a fan criticizes a coach, it isn’t a valid counterpoint to say that the fan couldn’t do better as a coach.
2). The original poster didn’t call for Wells to be fired tomorrow.
And to be clear, I'm not saying anything bad about Wells here.
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Re: Wells still sucks in Close Games
I will say this. If us fans are this upset with a win I would have to think the team might feel the same. They are going to feel like they should've have played much better. They are going to prepare harder for Boise than they have for any game this season.
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Re: Wells still sucks in Close Games
We are 3-1 in close games. The only improvement would be 4-0. They are close games for a reason. Not all decisions are going to work, but the only thing that matter is the final score 29-24 USU. Players have to make plays and if we cannot trust punt returner to catch a fair punt than we have major problems.
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It is his 6th year not his 7th and if you expect better than a 10-1 record and having us on the brink of the top 10, you have unrealistic expectations. Wells has done an A+ job coaching USU football this year. Other than a close loss against a big ten team where Wells did a helluva job preparing the team giving them a chance to win, we have won the close games. We have also dominated teams like few Aggie teams in history. Some people will never get over the Corvallis Quitter leaving us even when we have a coach far superior on our sideline now who is actually an Aggie alum and doesn't have loyalty to Salt lake commuter college.AggieSox wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:37 pmTotally Agree! Just pointing out that Wells aint been good in Close games and this year is better, but not by much. For a 7 year head coach, you would think he would have end of game situations handled by now. Never going to be perfect, but I do expect better game management from a 7 year head coach vs a 1-2 year head coach.AgMac wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:25 pmThank you, dogie. This is, by far, the most asinine rebuttal argument used in this forum. The minute I see someone break out the "then why don't you coach the team" line, I immediately end the debate because I realize I am dealing with a person incapable of formulating any kind of intelligent thought.dogie wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 8:34 pmTwo fallacies in one outburst! I love it!
1) When a fan criticizes a coach, it isn’t a valid counterpoint to say that the fan couldn’t do better as a coach.
2). The original poster didn’t call for Wells to be fired tomorrow.
And to be clear, I'm not saying anything bad about Wells here.
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Re: Wells still sucks in Close Games
Players win and coaches lose?AggieSox wrote:I'm stoked we won. Just pointing out how coaching just about led us to a loss. Plain and Simple.TheAKAggie wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:25 pmI have a feeling some of you would have felt better about a loss.
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Last post on this apparently some people can’t comprehend. I can’t beleive that knowing the actual outcome of the muffed punt you would still want him to field it?!
Even the announcers said to just let it go, and get out of there. Freshman, weather, slick conditions.. play it safe in that situation always.
So if we are in the exact same situation next week against Boise and Thompson’s runs out on the field, you still want him do the exact same thing??
Even the announcers said to just let it go, and get out of there. Freshman, weather, slick conditions.. play it safe in that situation always.
So if we are in the exact same situation next week against Boise and Thompson’s runs out on the field, you still want him do the exact same thing??
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Stop w/ your crap. This thread wasn't about our 10-1 season, the thread was about some stupid coaching calls in the 4th quarter. I ain't whining about a 10-1 season, STOP with your bullcrap. I am ecstatic about the season and what can be if we win out. Any long term fan who loves Football will find something to point out in any game.Aggie formerly in Hawaii wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:49 pmIt is his 6th year not his 7th and if you expect better than a 10-1 record and having us on the brink of the top 10, you have unrealistic expectations. Wells has done an A+ job coaching USU football this year. Other than a close loss against a big ten team where Wells did a helluva job preparing the team giving them a chance to win, we have won the close games. We have also dominated teams like few Aggie teams in history. Some people will never get over the Corvallis Quitter leaving us even when we have a coach far superior on our sideline now who is actually an Aggie alum and doesn't have loyalty to Salt lake commuter college.AggieSox wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:37 pmTotally Agree! Just pointing out that Wells aint been good in Close games and this year is better, but not by much. For a 7 year head coach, you would think he would have end of game situations handled by now. Never going to be perfect, but I do expect better game management from a 7 year head coach vs a 1-2 year head coach.AgMac wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:25 pmThank you, dogie. This is, by far, the most asinine rebuttal argument used in this forum. The minute I see someone break out the "then why don't you coach the team" line, I immediately end the debate because I realize I am dealing with a person incapable of formulating any kind of intelligent thought.dogie wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 8:34 pmTwo fallacies in one outburst! I love it!
1) When a fan criticizes a coach, it isn’t a valid counterpoint to say that the fan couldn’t do better as a coach.
2). The original poster didn’t call for Wells to be fired tomorrow.
And to be clear, I'm not saying anything bad about Wells here.
I guarantee Wells aint running that kid out their to catch the punt in Boise next week in the 4th quarter in the final minutes ever again. If he did, He's an idiot. End of story.
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And for the record, I'm not a Well's hater. I would be just fine if he decided to stay at USU for the next few years.
Unfortunately in Football, all bad coaching calls get blamed on the Head Coach.
Unfortunately in Football, all bad coaching calls get blamed on the Head Coach.
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The freshman in question has played all year, including fielding four punts. He is the only player other than Nathan to field a punt for us this season. He was the right person to have on the field.AggieSox wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:08 pmFellas. IT was SNOWING, COLD, 4th QTR, everyone was frozen. Your Nationally ranked #13, A shot at a NY6 bowl game, your AHEAD/WINNING the game. Wells might land the biggest job of his life if he wins out this year. Did I mention it was SNOWING and COLD. You DONT throw your freshman who hasn't caught punts all year out there and say go catch it, don't let it bounce 5 yards down field on a cold/wet field. Basically coach's, Matt included must have had Brain Freeze in 4th qtr. This dude had no business trying to catch the punt, Nobody was even close to him.GeoAg wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:19 pmThis thread is nutso.
Thompkins has been the backup there all year and hasn't muffed a punt. Nobody is really a freshman anymore in game 11. If Wells would have put some one else in who hadn't been practicing abd they muffed the punt, that would have been questionable. Playing the guy who has been the backup all year at that position is not. If he would have not trues to catch it and gave up 25 yards of field position you all would have complained about that. No coaching error on that period.
Then Add in Matt Wells Lost in RENO 2 years ago, we lost to CSU in Logan 5-6 years ago on same play. No way do I ask a Freshman in the 4th qtr in this big of a game to catch the punt. Maybe in the 1st qtr on a Sunny Day. Maybe.
As Soon as I saw who was trying to catch it, I thought we are screwed. 100% Wells and Staff's Fault. And this wasn't the only bone head call in 4th qtr.
Asking him to fair catch if unimpeded, which he was, is the right call 100% of the time. Running away from the ball and letting it roll to the five yard line would have been a terrible result.
You trust your players to do the job. This was the right decision.
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Well it’s good to know that bad field position is worse than a turnover that leads to a TD.FloridaAggie13 wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 10:26 pmThe freshman in question has played all year, including fielding four punts. He is the only player other than Nathan to field a punt for us this season. He was the right person to have on the field.AggieSox wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 9:08 pmFellas. IT was SNOWING, COLD, 4th QTR, everyone was frozen. Your Nationally ranked #13, A shot at a NY6 bowl game, your AHEAD/WINNING the game. Wells might land the biggest job of his life if he wins out this year. Did I mention it was SNOWING and COLD. You DONT throw your freshman who hasn't caught punts all year out there and say go catch it, don't let it bounce 5 yards down field on a cold/wet field. Basically coach's, Matt included must have had Brain Freeze in 4th qtr. This dude had no business trying to catch the punt, Nobody was even close to him.GeoAg wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 7:19 pmThis thread is nutso.
Thompkins has been the backup there all year and hasn't muffed a punt. Nobody is really a freshman anymore in game 11. If Wells would have put some one else in who hadn't been practicing abd they muffed the punt, that would have been questionable. Playing the guy who has been the backup all year at that position is not. If he would have not trues to catch it and gave up 25 yards of field position you all would have complained about that. No coaching error on that period.
Then Add in Matt Wells Lost in RENO 2 years ago, we lost to CSU in Logan 5-6 years ago on same play. No way do I ask a Freshman in the 4th qtr in this big of a game to catch the punt. Maybe in the 1st qtr on a Sunny Day. Maybe.
As Soon as I saw who was trying to catch it, I thought we are screwed. 100% Wells and Staff's Fault. And this wasn't the only bone head call in 4th qtr.
Asking him to fair catch if unimpeded, which he was, is the right call 100% of the time. Running away from the ball and letting it roll to the five yard line would have been a terrible result.
You trust your players to do the job. This was the right decision.
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And the premise of this thread is that it is obvious that Coach Wells sucks in close games. If that is true, and it is not, then Coach Wells has done a masterful coaching job not getting in close games this season. So, in a sense, his is coaching within his strengths.
And we won a close game today against an inspired foe. It was legit. We earned it. We deserved it. I am proud of the win.
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Ummm this wasn’t his 1st game on punt return but the bigger head scratcher is Jordan just told me that Jalen Green is also his back-up, he should have been in there...
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Re: Wells still sucks in Close Games
RU FREAKING Kidding Me?????????taniataylor wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 10:36 pmUmmm this wasn’t his 1st game on punt return but the bigger head scratcher is Jordan just told me that Jalen Green is also his back-up, he should have been in there...
Floridaggie just said this kid was backup. Green has solid hands.
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Re: Wells still sucks in Close Games
I just kicked a puppy.AggieSox wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 10:41 pmRU FREAKING Kidding Me?????????taniataylor wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 10:36 pmUmmm this wasn’t his 1st game on punt return but the bigger head scratcher is Jordan just told me that Jalen Green is also his back-up, he should have been in there...
Floridaggie just said this kid was backup. Green has solid hands.
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Re: Wells still sucks in Close Games
I just stopped talking about it after he said that. But we got the win so it is what it ishipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 10:43 pmI just kicked a puppy.AggieSox wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 10:41 pmRU FREAKING Kidding Me?????????taniataylor wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 10:36 pmUmmm this wasn’t his 1st game on punt return but the bigger head scratcher is Jordan just told me that Jalen Green is also his back-up, he should have been in there...
Floridaggie just said this kid was backup. Green has solid hands.
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Re: Wells still sucks in Close Games
hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 10:43 pmI just kicked a puppy.AggieSox wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 10:41 pmRU FREAKING Kidding Me?????????taniataylor wrote: ↑November 17th, 2018, 10:36 pmUmmm this wasn’t his 1st game on punt return but the bigger head scratcher is Jordan just told me that Jalen Green is also his back-up, he should have been in there...
Floridaggie just said this kid was backup. Green has solid hands.