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Queta. 18 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 4 blk
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Thats kinda what i thought. Crazy that a few more inches and it's a diff story for him.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:11 amIt boils down to size. Jaycee is listed at 6'2", while korver is 6'7". The NBA values measurables very highly.Usu0505 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:06 amI saw a comment on sam being better than carroll. Initially i agreed but all these highlights reminded me just how amazing Jaycee was.
Anybody with a more knowledgeable mind than mine know why Jaycee never got a shot in the league? I would think he could have been a kyle korver type easily.
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Alternatively, he should utilize the new NCAA rules that allow him to test the waters and see if he can become an instant millionaire and change his life forever. If the time isn't right, based on good information from reliable sources, then he should come back.
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I like Merrill more than Jaycee. That doesn't diminish Jaycee in my eyes at all. Jaycee is the better shooter. I like Merrill because he is a more complete player on both sides of the ball. I'm also loving what I see out of Queta. I'm just going to enjoy it all right now.
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Same, doesnt even really matter. Its just amazing to have aggie bball back. Really an impressive win.NVAggie wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:56 amI like Merrill more than Jaycee. That doesn't diminish Jaycee in my eyes at all. Jaycee is the better shooter. I like Merrill because he is a more complete player on both sides of the ball. I'm also loving what I see out of Queta. I'm just going to enjoy it all right now.
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Re: Queta. 18 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 4 blk
What I don't understand is why Queta doesn't take more 3s. He's shooting .400 from beyond the arc -- clearly a better 3-point shooter than Merrill, Miller, or Brito.
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I would feel more comfortable with that when he develops a 3 point hook shot.
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It is crazy to me that these myths about Koby continue to spring up. Perhaps it makes certain posters feel better about themselves. Back it up with stats or specific examples if you're going to criticize a player. Not just that he's too selfish or had too high an opinion of himself or that he didn't play team ball. Remember he was coached by Duryea, not Smith. And don't compare him to JK3. Kobe was far more talented, nor was JK3 let go because he wasn't a "team player." There were other problems there.MetsJetsAggies wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 11:40 pmEhhh, we looked like a much better team with JK3 at times. He was a little selfish offensively but overall he brought a lot to the table. Porter has stepped up big time though and we are peaking at the right timehipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 11:32 pmExcept we already saw that selfish players don't work in his system with the JK3 situation.Ag4life wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 11:26 pmThe only reason it should be controversial is whether or not we think Smith could have controlled Koby a bit more and made him a team player. After seeing the offense duryea ran last year compared to smith, I’d say there’s a good shot Smith would have maximized that talent to work for this team.aggiesdotcom wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 11:19 pmThat is not controversial to anyone who understands team basketball.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 11:14 pmI know this will be controversial but I don't think we'd be as good with McEwen this year. His leaving allowed Merrill's leadership to take over the team and I don't think he would've bought into the ball movement philosophy this team has adopted.MetsJetsAggies wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 10:51 pmQueta is the most talented player since Estes I'd guess. Merrill is not far behind, if Koby stayed it would've been a crazy amount of talent for one team
Stang did an admirable job responding to these same criticisms of Koby months ago:
I believe strongly that this could be a Sweet Sixteen team if Koby were still here. He would take a heck of a lot of pressure off Sam and others. Didn't anyone else notice last night that the Ags are SO thin at PG that Sam and Brito were forced into significant primary ball-handling duties? That absolutely cannot help Sam's game.There are a shockingly high number of posters in this thread who feel like it will somehow make them feel better about this situation if they tear the kid apart.
I've been around USU basketball for a long time, and aside from Spencer Nelson I don't know if I've ever seen a kid work as hard as Koby did while he was here. He eat, sleeps, and dreams basketball, and if you think he wasn't a competitor or didn't care about winning, you're dead wrong. He just didn't get the guidance he needed to turn his work ethic into NBA talent. Why do you think he wants to leave USU, a program who hasn't had an NBA player in 50 years? He's got the right attitude, the right talent, the right mindset, and the right work ethic to do very, very well under a good coach at a higher level.
Let's look at his "downsides":
Inconsistency
I mean, he started out slow (partially due to injury) then once conference play rolled around he scored double digits in 18 of 21 games, had 5 or more rebounds and 3 or more assists in 16 of them, and was really quite good night in and night out. With better coaching he'll gain more consistency.
Low basketball IQ
I can't think of one single instance the past couple of years where I felt like "wow, Koby really doesn't know the game of basketball." I don't know where this one is coming from, other than that it's a frequent thing that people throw out in an argument to insult a basketball player.
Poor shot selection and he forces a lot of shots
This does need work, I won't argue that. However, you need to look at the offensive system he was playing in. A lot of times he would get the ball in his hands with a couple of seconds left on the shot clock and be expected to jack something up. A lot of times he didn't have a decent option to pass to. But yes, shot selection does need some work.
High turnover rate
He was 12th in the MW in assist to turnover ratio, and had 15 less turnovers this season than future NBA first-round pick Chandler Hutchinson, sooo...
Very few assists for a PG
I'm really not sure what you're getting at here. He was 10th in the Mountain West in assists per game. The only guy ahead of him in APG who also scored more than he did was Chandler Hutchinson. Koby in this system, with the talent that surrounded him, was a score-first guard as he should have been.
Poor FG percentage and Poor 3 point FG percentage especially for a PG
Again, this goes back to shot selection which I admit he needs to work on. A year off with a high-major coach and a different offensive system will benefit him greatly in this regard.
Averages less than one steal per game
This seems really nit-picky, especially considering that there's one guy on the team (Sam) who averages that. And he's at exactly 1.0 SPG.
Lacks team leadership
Unless you've been inside the huddle your (and anyone else on this board's) opinion on this matter is completely irrelevant. I've been to several practices where I've seen him lead. I know that many of his teammates feel quite highly of him. I know for a fact that he is very commonly the first one in the gym and the last one out. This is an intended personal attack with nothing to back it.
Selfish and not a team first kind of player
Again, subjective and I'm assuming that you know him very well and personally to make this kind of remark?
Poor Attitude ((I can't express myself without swearing) and whines a lot and blames other players and refs
In this case, 80% of NBA players are absolute garbage who you wouldn't want on your team. This is the nature of basketball in today's world. Plus, you can't honestly say you feel like Mountain West refs are even half-way decent at officiating a game. He often had a case. You say you want him to be a team leader but then say he's "(I can't express myself without swearing)" when he holds his teammates accountable and expects them to play well?
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Re: Queta. 18 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 4 blk
I mean, Queta is obviously amazing, and I'm not trying to diminish from what he did last night. He's incredible. He might be the most skilled player to ever play at USU.
But if we are talking Aggie GOAT (and therefore my favorite Aggie), let's pass on the insanely talented Freshman in favor of a 4-year, all-time Aggie leading scorer (who in my opinion will never be caught), Top 10 in Aggie steals and Top 20 in Aggie assists.
But if we are talking Aggie GOAT (and therefore my favorite Aggie), let's pass on the insanely talented Freshman in favor of a 4-year, all-time Aggie leading scorer (who in my opinion will never be caught), Top 10 in Aggie steals and Top 20 in Aggie assists.
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Yeah. He should DEFINITELY be working on that.aggiesdotcom wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 10:15 amI would feel more comfortable with that when he develops a 3 point hook shot.
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ESPECIALLY during warmups.ChicAggie wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 12:13 pmYeah. He should DEFINITELY be working on that.aggiesdotcom wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 10:15 amI would feel more comfortable with that when he develops a 3 point hook shot.
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I think we have one more year with Queta. He needs to get stronger to be an NBA player. Once we see him getting those little lobs and throwing them down then we know he is gone. Ala James Harden to Clint Capela. I like to compare him to Capela. But yeah, he needs a much stronger lower body, he spends to much time on the floor.
Merrill with dribble penetration draws Quetas's defender, Merrill throws it up and Boom Shakalaka! I would like to see this next year.
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Potential rationale depending on the situation: A player may be more prone to picking up another foul while he is tired or frustrated by the previous call. By pulling him for a couple of minutes, he gets a breather. The coaching staff can talk about how the refs are calling it, what the other team is doing to draw the fouls, and other details with the player while he is on the bench. As long as the win isn't becoming out of reach, a short rest to re-energize and refocus could be beneficial to help the player perform at a higher level while he is in the game, and to hopefully reduce the odds of fouling out. If the backups aren't holding down the fort, the foul plagued player probably won't sit as long. Hind sight is 20/20 and the coaches don't know how it will play out when they actually make the decision.hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 12:01 amI've never understood the coaching philosophy of sitting your top players when they're in foul trouble. In order to save players for the final minutes, it seems counterproductive to sit them for extended periods while the game is still being decided.bluegrouse wrote: ↑February 5th, 2019, 11:53 pmOne other very big point about Queta tonight. After he picked up his third foul early in the second half, Smith left him in the game when conventional wisdom would say you sit him for awhile. He didn’t pick up another one.
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I always figured it was due to him being a defensive liability, but his height contributes to that.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:11 amIt boils down to size. Jaycee is listed at 6'2", while korver is 6'7". The NBA values measurables very highly.Usu0505 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:06 amI saw a comment on sam being better than carroll. Initially i agreed but all these highlights reminded me just how amazing Jaycee was.
Anybody with a more knowledgeable mind than mine know why Jaycee never got a shot in the league? I would think he could have been a kyle korver type easily.
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Re: Queta. 18 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 4 blk
I've heard this as well, but I've never quite understood it. Jaycee is listed at number 7 all time in steals for USU, and also had a 36" vertical. Steals and blocks wouldn't be a problem. Size would, especially in the NBA, where switching on screens seems to be the norm, and zone defense is less prevalent.Pacobag wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 6:37 pmI always figured it was due to him being a defensive liability, but his height contributes to that.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:11 amIt boils down to size. Jaycee is listed at 6'2", while korver is 6'7". The NBA values measurables very highly.Usu0505 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:06 amI saw a comment on sam being better than carroll. Initially i agreed but all these highlights reminded me just how amazing Jaycee was.
Anybody with a more knowledgeable mind than mine know why Jaycee never got a shot in the league? I would think he could have been a kyle korver type easily.
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Part of the reason he is number 7 in steals is due to him playing more minutes than any other player ever at USU. USUstats lists him at ~4500 minutes played, 600 minutes higher than #2, Tyler Newbold, at ~3900.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 8:39 amI've heard this as well, but I've never quite understood it. Jaycee is listed at number 7 all time in steals for USU, and also had a 36" vertical. Steals and blocks wouldn't be a problem. Size would, especially in the NBA, where switching on screens seems to be the norm, and zone defense is less prevalent.Pacobag wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 6:37 pmI always figured it was due to him being a defensive liability, but his height contributes to that.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:11 amIt boils down to size. Jaycee is listed at 6'2", while korver is 6'7". The NBA values measurables very highly.Usu0505 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:06 amI saw a comment on sam being better than carroll. Initially i agreed but all these highlights reminded me just how amazing Jaycee was.
Anybody with a more knowledgeable mind than mine know why Jaycee never got a shot in the league? I would think he could have been a kyle korver type easily.
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Doing the math, Jaycee had .026 steals/minute, or 1 steal every 37 minutes. I'm not even sure that's good, just a product of being on the court so much.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 8:58 amPart of the reason he is number 7 in steals is due to him playing more minutes than any other player ever at USU. USUstats lists him at ~4500 minutes played, 600 minutes higher than #2, Tyler Newbold, at ~3900.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 8:39 amI've heard this as well, but I've never quite understood it. Jaycee is listed at number 7 all time in steals for USU, and also had a 36" vertical. Steals and blocks wouldn't be a problem. Size would, especially in the NBA, where switching on screens seems to be the norm, and zone defense is less prevalent.Pacobag wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 6:37 pmI always figured it was due to him being a defensive liability, but his height contributes to that.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:11 amIt boils down to size. Jaycee is listed at 6'2", while korver is 6'7". The NBA values measurables very highly.Usu0505 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:06 amI saw a comment on sam being better than carroll. Initially i agreed but all these highlights reminded me just how amazing Jaycee was.
Anybody with a more knowledgeable mind than mine know why Jaycee never got a shot in the league? I would think he could have been a kyle korver type easily.
Re: Queta. 18 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 4 blk
I love what the coaching staff had been doing with the pick and role between Merrill and Queta. They aren't getting the lob but they are using it to get Queta deep post position when he roles. Merrill kicks it over to the wing and they feed Queta.Blitz79 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 5:44 pmI think we have one more year with Queta. He needs to get stronger to be an NBA player. Once we see him getting those little lobs and throwing them down then we know he is gone. Ala James Harden to Clint Capela. I like to compare him to Capela. But yeah, he needs a much stronger lower body, he spends to much time on the floor.
Merrill with dribble penetration draws Quetas's defender, Merrill throws it up and Boom Shakalaka! I would like to see this next year.
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A fair point, but that implies that anyone should be getting steals at that clip. He was no defensive wunderkind, but he wasn't a liability, either, imo.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 9:00 amDoing the math, Jaycee had .026 steals/minute, or 1 steal every 37 minutes. I'm not even sure that's good, just a product of being on the court so much.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 8:58 amPart of the reason he is number 7 in steals is due to him playing more minutes than any other player ever at USU. USUstats lists him at ~4500 minutes played, 600 minutes higher than #2, Tyler Newbold, at ~3900.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 8:39 amI've heard this as well, but I've never quite understood it. Jaycee is listed at number 7 all time in steals for USU, and also had a 36" vertical. Steals and blocks wouldn't be a problem. Size would, especially in the NBA, where switching on screens seems to be the norm, and zone defense is less prevalent.Pacobag wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 6:37 pmI always figured it was due to him being a defensive liability, but his height contributes to that.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:11 amIt boils down to size. Jaycee is listed at 6'2", while korver is 6'7". The NBA values measurables very highly.Usu0505 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:06 amI saw a comment on sam being better than carroll. Initially i agreed but all these highlights reminded me just how amazing Jaycee was.
Anybody with a more knowledgeable mind than mine know why Jaycee never got a shot in the league? I would think he could have been a kyle korver type easily.
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I agree, I think he would have done well on the right team in the NBA, but he just didn't get the shot, and that's too bad. Fortunately, it sounds like he's made a small fortune in Spain, so that's good for him.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 11:37 pmA fair point, but that implies that anyone should be getting steals at that clip. He was no defensive wunderkind, but he wasn't a liability, either, imo.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 9:00 amDoing the math, Jaycee had .026 steals/minute, or 1 steal every 37 minutes. I'm not even sure that's good, just a product of being on the court so much.flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 8:58 amPart of the reason he is number 7 in steals is due to him playing more minutes than any other player ever at USU. USUstats lists him at ~4500 minutes played, 600 minutes higher than #2, Tyler Newbold, at ~3900.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 7th, 2019, 8:39 amI've heard this as well, but I've never quite understood it. Jaycee is listed at number 7 all time in steals for USU, and also had a 36" vertical. Steals and blocks wouldn't be a problem. Size would, especially in the NBA, where switching on screens seems to be the norm, and zone defense is less prevalent.Pacobag wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 6:37 pmI always figured it was due to him being a defensive liability, but his height contributes to that.dirtnsnow wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:11 amIt boils down to size. Jaycee is listed at 6'2", while korver is 6'7". The NBA values measurables very highly.Usu0505 wrote: ↑February 6th, 2019, 8:06 amI saw a comment on sam being better than carroll. Initially i agreed but all these highlights reminded me just how amazing Jaycee was.
Anybody with a more knowledgeable mind than mine know why Jaycee never got a shot in the league? I would think he could have been a kyle korver type easily.
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Re: Queta. 18 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 4 blk
FWIW- Stew said Jaycee couldn't guard a chair.
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Re: Queta. 18 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 4 blk
Jaycee was an elite scorer, especially from deep. He also was a mediocre defender. I think he could have found a spot in the NBA, but Europe paid him more than he was going to make trying to show the NBA he belongs. He found a place that fits him, and has made a bunch of money. Good for him.
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Jaycee is far and away my favorite and the greatest player I have ever watched play college basketball. I began to realize we had diverging special his freshman year when he effortlessly drilled a 30 footer to beat the shot clock against BYU.
Jaycee played harder than anyone in that he played 35+ a night and never stopped. He was in constant motion working to get open and then made opponents pay for every little mistake. Imagine what he could have done week decent big men. Those double baseline cuts and curling cuts around screens were just flat out lethal (beautiful).
I think the NBA missed out on terrific Steve Kerr type player, but I don't think Jaycee had many regrets about how his career had gone. He had found stability and success in getting paid a ton of money to play the fake he loves.
I love Merrill and have been as high on him as anyone since his junior year of high school. The kid is a winner, good shooter, and makes the right play all the time.
Queta is just different. Now that he is figuring out how not to get screwed by the refs every time down the floor he is becoming a monster. He will pay in the NBA.
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Jaycee played harder than anyone in that he played 35+ a night and never stopped. He was in constant motion working to get open and then made opponents pay for every little mistake. Imagine what he could have done week decent big men. Those double baseline cuts and curling cuts around screens were just flat out lethal (beautiful).
I think the NBA missed out on terrific Steve Kerr type player, but I don't think Jaycee had many regrets about how his career had gone. He had found stability and success in getting paid a ton of money to play the fake he loves.
I love Merrill and have been as high on him as anyone since his junior year of high school. The kid is a winner, good shooter, and makes the right play all the time.
Queta is just different. Now that he is figuring out how not to get screwed by the refs every time down the floor he is becoming a monster. He will pay in the NBA.
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I know this doesn't mean a whole he11 of a lot, but NBADraft.net does not even have Queta ranked in the top 100 NBA draft prospects at this point. I expect that is largely because he is unknown and hasn't yet made it onto a lot of radar screens, but I hope the fact that he IS an unknown will keep him around for another year or two.
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The dangers of posting from your iPhone using Tapatalk.dyedblue wrote: ↑February 8th, 2019, 7:57 amJaycee is far and away my favorite and the greatest player I have ever watched play college basketball. I began to realize we had diverging special his freshman year when he effortlessly drilled a 30 footer to beat the shot clock against BYU.
Jaycee played harder than anyone in that he played 35+ a night and never stopped. He was in constant motion working to get open and then made opponents pay for every little mistake. Imagine what he could have done week decent big men. Those double baseline cuts and curling cuts around screens were just flat out lethal (beautiful).
I think the NBA missed out on terrific Steve Kerr type player, but I don't think Jaycee had many regrets about how his career had gone. He had found stability and success in getting paid a ton of money to play the fake he loves.
I love Merrill and have been as high on him as anyone since his junior year of high school. The kid is a winner, good shooter, and makes the right play all the time.
Queta is just different. Now that he is figuring out how not to get screwed by the refs every time down the floor he is becoming a monster. He will pay in the NBA.
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Joking aside, I tend to agree with all of your points. Jaycee was a joy to behold. Since I moved to Chicago in 1991, I have been to only two conference tournaments. The first was Jaycee's freshman year when the Ags beat Pacific in the championship game and Jaycee was named the tournament MVP. I have to wonder if he is the only freshman in Big West history to earn that honor. Jaycee was top 5 in the league during all four years at USU in FG% -- a tough thing for a guard to accomplish. He was first in the WAC in 3P% three years in a row and finished as the career WAC 3P% leader -- and is second in NCAA history in 3P%. He is the WAC career leader in TS% and is second in eFG%. He is second in both the WAC and in NCAA history in career Offensive Win Shares (would be the career leader in the WAC but for the fact that USU was in the WAC for only 3 of Jaycee's 4 seasons). I don't think this all came to Jaycee due to natural-born talent. Jaycee earned the reputation of being the hardest working player in games, practices, and on his own of perhaps any player in USU history. He may also have been the best rebounding 6'2" player I have ever seen. Jaycee was top 10 in the WAC both his junior and senior seasons in rebounds per game. Unheard of for a 6'2" guard. But for his defensive reputation and being a 'tweener, he absolutely would have played in the NBA.
I have said this many times, but Merrill's game reminds me a TON of Chris Mullin. He's crafty, he makes all the right plays, he is always in the right position, he is a solid defender, and he can be an absolutely deadly shooter. If Merrill works hard in the offseason to become bigger, faster, and stronger and can get his 3-point shooting back up into the low- to mid-.400s, he might actually have a shot at the NBA.
But as much as I love both Jaycee and Merrill, Queta is easily the most likely future NBA talent I have ever seen don an Aggie uniform (Nate Williams, Wayne Estes, etc. were before my time). Queta has surprisingly good footwork, agility, passing ability, and ball-handling skills, and is an absolute beast defending the paint. He is somewhat reminiscent of Mutombo in that respect, but I think he has a much higher ceiling on the offensive side of the court.
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Re: Queta. 18 pts, 15 reb, 6 ast, 4 blk
My recollection is that he said that Jaycee couldn’t guard a chair when he got to Utah State. He improved significantly.