Top 5 MWC recruits

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » February 12th, 2019, 10:09 pm

Tautology

utaggies · Post by **utaggies** » February 12th, 2019, 11:03 pm

bazinga22 wrote: ↑
February 12th, 2019, 10:06 pm

You’ve got a total of 92 posts on our board. I imagine that two-thirds of them tout BSU. I have two questions for you: 1) do you have 92 posts on each of the other MWC message boards as you do the same? and 2) if you don’t, why are we so blessed to have you camp out here?

Your constant posting of BSU drivel is obnoxious. You are worse that Frank from the old WAC days.

Intermeddler · Post by **Intermeddler** » February 13th, 2019, 1:42 am

You guys only got 3 of the top 5? I guess that’s good but I would have expected more from Boise.

Imakeitrain · Post by **Imakeitrain** » February 13th, 2019, 7:38 am

All I see is 5 players that didn’t have the wisdom to play under the best coach in the MWC, Gary Andersen

sammyhagar · Post by **sammyhagar** » February 13th, 2019, 9:21 am

some dudes don't care about a quality education at the same time as enjoying playing a sport they love.
education matters, graduation matters, Boise doesn't matter, go away please

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am

It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.

superaggie · Post by **superaggie** » February 13th, 2019, 10:58 am

We are a developmental program. We take kids like Woodward and turn them into All Americans or NFL talent. I would rather be better at evaluating talent than signing 4 stars that don't pan out (UCLA types). We wont even know how good this class is for 2 years and with return missionaries 4 years.

LKGates · Post by **LKGates** » February 13th, 2019, 11:14 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.

I have described Boise State to others as a football team with a Potemkin university.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.

I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th tied with Idaho State.
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
College of Idaho,
BYUI
Northwest Nazarene
Idaho State and Boise State,

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.

BearLakeMonster · Post by **BearLakeMonster** » February 13th, 2019, 11:39 am

Stucki · Post by **Stucki** » February 13th, 2019, 1:55 pm

Boise State has not attained ISU's academic level. Idaho is clearly the top of the list, but I don't know about the quality of Northwest Nazarene. I think you are overrating BYU Idaho a bit as well.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » February 13th, 2019, 2:40 pm

Where are the Boise players on this list? You’d think with their powerhouse recruiting that they’d have at least 5 players here.

Bybs25 · Post by **Bybs25** » February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.

From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.

LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » February 13th, 2019, 6:41 pm

Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.
From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.

I actually agree with you but I was going off of university ranking sites and most did not have a ranking for idaho state, so I put them at the bottom. But the point is Boise is consistently at the bottom of the state.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » February 14th, 2019, 6:19 am

Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.
From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.

So from your perspective, does this look like a pretty accurate academic order? I would imagine a lot of kids in Idaho want to go to Boise mainly for the football. And the city offers a different experience than Moscow or Pocatello, I suppose.

Jjoey53 · Post by **Jjoey53** » February 14th, 2019, 11:31 am

LarryTheAggie wrote:
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th tied with Idaho State.
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
College of Idaho,
BYUI
Northwest Nazarene
Idaho State and Boise State,

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.

College of Idaho
U of I
ISU
Northwest Nazarene
BSU
Ricks

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LarryTheAggie · Post by **LarryTheAggie** » February 14th, 2019, 11:43 am

Mods, can we get this thread renamed to "Top 5 Schools in Idaho." That way the name won't have anything to do with Boise State.

taniataylor · Post by **taniataylor** » February 14th, 2019, 11:50 am

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 14th, 2019, 11:43 am
Mods, can we get this thread renamed to "Top 5 Schools in Idaho." That way the name won't have anything to do with Boise State.

Or can we ban BAZINGA all together?? He never talks USU and his threads have ZERO impactful info

ChicAggie · Post by **ChicAggie** » February 14th, 2019, 1:53 pm

utaggies wrote: ↑
February 12th, 2019, 11:03 pm
Your constant posting of BSU drivel is obnoxious. You are worse that Frank from the old WAC days.

Yeah, that's an awfully high obnoxiousness bar to clear. Not sure he is there yet.

Jjoey53 · Post by **Jjoey53** » February 14th, 2019, 8:31 pm

ChicAggie wrote:
utaggies wrote: ↑
February 12th, 2019, 11:03 pm
Your constant posting of BSU drivel is obnoxious. You are worse that Frank from the old WAC days.
Yeah, that's an awfully high obnoxiousness bar to clear. Not sure he is there yet.

Come on now, I miss Frank, he was always good for a laugh.

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Blue Sage · Post by **Blue Sage** » February 15th, 2019, 12:21 am

bazinga22 wrote: ↑
February 12th, 2019, 10:06 pm

None of this matters and none of these type of posts will ever get under the skin of U-State fans because of 2 star Bobby Wagner that BSU was too good for.

U-State needs blue chip kind of guys like Kyler Fackrell and the Vigil Brothers. Must be a boring day in the Brown hills of Boise.

dogie · Post by **dogie** » February 15th, 2019, 7:11 am

Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.
From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.

Idaho State has the nation’s premier cryptozoology program.

https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/p ... t#stream/0
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/outdo ... bd5fc.html

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » February 15th, 2019, 12:43 pm

dogie wrote: ↑
February 15th, 2019, 7:11 am

Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.
From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.
Idaho State has the nation’s premier cryptozoology program.

Bitcoin is important.

Bybs25 · Post by **Bybs25** » February 16th, 2019, 7:13 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.
From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.
So from your perspective, does this look like a pretty accurate academic order? I would imagine a lot of kids in Idaho want to go to Boise mainly for the football. And the city offers a different experience than Moscow or Pocatello, I suppose.

Yes. Boise is attractive for the social aspect not the academics. There really isnt a premier industry at Boise. UofI has their Law School ISU has a couple of premier places namely physical therepy and pharamcy

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slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » February 16th, 2019, 7:24 am

Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 7:13 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.
From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.
So from your perspective, does this look like a pretty accurate academic order? I would imagine a lot of kids in Idaho want to go to Boise mainly for the football. And the city offers a different experience than Moscow or Pocatello, I suppose.
Yes. Boise is attractive for the social aspect not the academics. There really isnt a premier industry at Boise. UofI has their Law School ISU has a couple of premier places namely physical therepy and pharamcy

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UofI has a very low ranking law school. They are an Ag school much like usu.

Jjoey53 · Post by **Jjoey53** » February 16th, 2019, 10:26 am

slcagg wrote:
Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 7:13 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.
From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.
So from your perspective, does this look like a pretty accurate academic order? I would imagine a lot of kids in Idaho want to go to Boise mainly for the football. And the city offers a different experience than Moscow or Pocatello, I suppose.
Yes. Boise is attractive for the social aspect not the academics. There really isnt a premier industry at Boise. UofI has their Law School ISU has a couple of premier places namely physical therepy and pharamcy

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UofI has a very low ranking law school. They are an Ag school much like usu.

But the U of I has very good drinkers.

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brownjeans · Post by **brownjeans** » February 16th, 2019, 11:41 am

Thoughts on the OP - Boise fans must be scared of us.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » February 16th, 2019, 5:29 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 7:24 am

Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 7:13 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.
From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.
So from your perspective, does this look like a pretty accurate academic order? I would imagine a lot of kids in Idaho want to go to Boise mainly for the football. And the city offers a different experience than Moscow or Pocatello, I suppose.
Yes. Boise is attractive for the social aspect not the academics. There really isnt a premier industry at Boise. UofI has their Law School ISU has a couple of premier places namely physical therepy and pharamcy

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UofI has a very low ranking law school. They are an Ag school much like usu.

I'm no lawyer, but does the ranking matter all that much? Maybe to get a job initially, but once you have that job, your school doesn't matter all that much, right? Unless you wanna be a supreme court justice, maybe, then it's good to go to Harvard. idk

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » February 16th, 2019, 11:18 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 5:29 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 7:24 am

Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 7:13 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.
From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.
So from your perspective, does this look like a pretty accurate academic order? I would imagine a lot of kids in Idaho want to go to Boise mainly for the football. And the city offers a different experience than Moscow or Pocatello, I suppose.
Yes. Boise is attractive for the social aspect not the academics. There really isnt a premier industry at Boise. UofI has their Law School ISU has a couple of premier places namely physical therepy and pharamcy

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UofI has a very low ranking law school. They are an Ag school much like usu.
I'm no lawyer, but does the ranking matter all that much? Maybe to get a job initially, but once you have that job, your school doesn't matter all that much, right? Unless you wanna be a supreme court justice, maybe, then it's good to go to Harvard. idk

For certain first jobs, your law school’s ranking matters a little.

The ranking that matters the most though is your class ranking, because legal hiring is largely regional and based on class ranking (meaning the lion’s share of Idaho lawyers even at the “bigger” Idaho firms went to U of I) KU is a “higher ranked” law school than U of I, but if anything, I felt that going to KU counted against me for certain law jobs in Idaho (just my feel based on interview questions).

IMO, best thing to do is to go to the best, most affordable school in the geographic area you’d like to work in and get yourself into the Top 10% to 20% of your class. Otherwise, you might come across as a carpetbagger.

Put another way, you’d be much better served going to BYU or Utah law if you want to work in Utah or U of I if you wanted to work in Idaho than forking over gobs of money for a Stanford, Harvard, etc. law degree.

There are a million different opinions on this, but this is mine.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » February 17th, 2019, 10:42 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 11:18 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 5:29 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 7:24 am

Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 7:13 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
Bybs25 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 5:29 pm

LarryTheAggie wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 11:23 am

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 13th, 2019, 9:43 am
It is actually incredible how football literally drug (dragged?) the entire university along with it. There are literally 5 schools with better academics in Utah than Boise, and Dixie is probably on par with them. Boise might be the 3rd best school in Idaho academically, but probably on par with BYU-I.

Good for them for having a good football team. Hopefully it never dies, cause I don't think there's much else to prop up the university.
I honestly think you are giving Boise too much credit. They are probably 5th
If I had to rank them:
University of Idaho,
Idaho State University
BYUI
College of Idaho,
Boise State
Northwest Nazarene

But you are right the only reason Boise is even that high is because their football makes them a national brand. Though to be fair they have been making strides academically, I think they were just bumped up a Carnegie classification level.

Though I have also seen some rankings with Lewis and Clark state college ranked as high as Boise.
From someone who does college planning and living in Idaho I can tell you that Idaho State academically is near the top. I fixed it for you.
So from your perspective, does this look like a pretty accurate academic order? I would imagine a lot of kids in Idaho want to go to Boise mainly for the football. And the city offers a different experience than Moscow or Pocatello, I suppose.
Yes. Boise is attractive for the social aspect not the academics. There really isnt a premier industry at Boise. UofI has their Law School ISU has a couple of premier places namely physical therepy and pharamcy

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UofI has a very low ranking law school. They are an Ag school much like usu.
I'm no lawyer, but does the ranking matter all that much? Maybe to get a job initially, but once you have that job, your school doesn't matter all that much, right? Unless you wanna be a supreme court justice, maybe, then it's good to go to Harvard. idk
For certain first jobs, your law school’s ranking matters a little.

The ranking that matters the most though is your class ranking, because legal hiring is largely regional and based on class ranking (meaning the lion’s share of Idaho lawyers even at the “bigger” Idaho firms went to U of I) KU is a “higher ranked” law school than U of I, but if anything, I felt that going to KU counted against me for certain law jobs in Idaho (just my feel based on interview questions).

IMO, best thing to do is to go to the best, most affordable school in the geographic area you’d like to work in and get yourself into the Top 10% to 20% of your class. Otherwise, you might come across as a carpetbagger.

Put another way, you’d be much better served going to BYU or Utah law if you want to work in Utah or U of I if you wanted to work in Idaho than forking over gobs of money for a Stanford, Harvard, etc. law degree.

There are a million different opinions on this, but this is mine.

Sounds like when I begin my path to become a high-powered, cutthroat, bloodthirsty, litigation-happy criminal defense attorney, I’m going to have to take my talents outside of Utah. I’d rather die than take my talents to one of those two trash universities.

ChicAggie · Post by **ChicAggie** » February 18th, 2019, 10:43 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 11:18 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 5:29 pm
I'm no lawyer, but does the ranking matter all that much? Maybe to get a job initially, but once you have that job, your school doesn't matter all that much, right? Unless you wanna be a supreme court justice, maybe, then it's good to go to Harvard. idk
For certain first jobs, your law school’s ranking matters a little.

The ranking that matters the most though is your class ranking, because legal hiring is largely regional and based on class ranking (meaning the lion’s share of Idaho lawyers even at the “bigger” Idaho firms went to U of I) KU is a “higher ranked” law school than U of I, but if anything, I felt that going to KU counted against me for certain law jobs in Idaho (just my feel based on interview questions).

IMO, best thing to do is to go to the best, most affordable school in the geographic area you’d like to work in and get yourself into the Top 10% to 20% of your class. Otherwise, you might come across as a carpetbagger.

Put another way, you’d be much better served going to BYU or Utah law if you want to work in Utah or U of I if you wanted to work in Idaho than forking over gobs of money for a Stanford, Harvard, etc. law degree.

There are a million different opinions on this, but this is mine.

After 17 years of practice in Chicago (at a litigation boutique for three years, a mid-size middle market firm of 250 lawyers for 10 years, and at a global firm with 4200 lawyers for four years), I hung up my spurs in 2011 and became a legal recruiter. While firms in tertiary markets tend to be less snobbish about your law school's ranking, certain firms in major markets simply do zero recruiting from any law schools outside the top tier. Summer associate classes consist almost entirely of students from top-tier law schools, and only a very small percentage of their class comes from a 2d- or 3d-tier school. And in those cases, you literally have to be the a top 5 student in the entire class to get a look from those firms. While many top firms will go pretty deep into the class rankings at top-tier schools, they will rarely go below the top 5 at a lower tier school.

In a tertiary market (SLC, Denver, Seattle, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Cleveland, et al.), the story is a bit different. In those markets, ineptimus's advice is likely generally correct in that the cost of going to Stanford is going to be a lot higher than the cost of going to BYU or Utah, and average partner compensation in Utah is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than compensation in, say, Silicon Valley or New York ($350K-$400K average partner compensation in SLC versus $1.2M-$1.5M in places like Silicon Valley and NYC; also average compensation for all attorneys in Utah runs between $75,295 and $99,564 -- compare that to the STARTING salary of $190,000 for a first year associate at most AmLaw 100 firms). Firms in Utah may not view someone who grew up in Utah and left to attend a top-tier school with a desire to return to practice in Utah as "carpet-bagger," but they will definitely have questions about why someone would go pay $60K in annual tuition (not to mention room and board) at Stanford versus $11K at God's school (which they probably attended and was good enough for them), only to return to Utah where compensation is SO much lower than in a major market. You'd better have a good story and good reason to want to return to Utah from a top-tier and far more expensive law school.

That said, attending a top tier law school is something you can hang your hat on for the rest of your career. It definitely carries a lot more weight when you are meeting with a potential client for the first time to say you attended Stanford or Harvard than the University of Idaho (or whatever). It gives you an immediate credibility that you may have to work a little harder to earn if you attend a lower-tier law school.

That is also true if you might look to move into an in-house role later in your career. My firm does more in-house placements than anyone in the world, and I can tell you that a significant percentage of clients seeking a new GC ask for only those candidates who attended at top 10 or top 20 law school.

IMHO, unless you are certain you want to spend your career in a regional or local firm in a tertiary market, you are almost always better off going to the best law school you can get into. I believe the investment pays off in the long run.

LKGates · Post by **LKGates** » February 18th, 2019, 10:54 am

ChicAggie wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2019, 10:43 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 11:18 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 5:29 pm
I'm no lawyer, but does the ranking matter all that much? Maybe to get a job initially, but once you have that job, your school doesn't matter all that much, right? Unless you wanna be a supreme court justice, maybe, then it's good to go to Harvard. idk
For certain first jobs, your law school’s ranking matters a little.

The ranking that matters the most though is your class ranking, because legal hiring is largely regional and based on class ranking (meaning the lion’s share of Idaho lawyers even at the “bigger” Idaho firms went to U of I) KU is a “higher ranked” law school than U of I, but if anything, I felt that going to KU counted against me for certain law jobs in Idaho (just my feel based on interview questions).

IMO, best thing to do is to go to the best, most affordable school in the geographic area you’d like to work in and get yourself into the Top 10% to 20% of your class. Otherwise, you might come across as a carpetbagger.

Put another way, you’d be much better served going to BYU or Utah law if you want to work in Utah or U of I if you wanted to work in Idaho than forking over gobs of money for a Stanford, Harvard, etc. law degree.

There are a million different opinions on this, but this is mine.
After 17 years of practice in Chicago (at a litigation boutique for three years, a mid-size middle market firm of 250 lawyers for 10 years, and at a global firm with 4200 lawyers for four years), I hung up my spurs in 2011 and became a legal recruiter. While firms in tertiary markets tend to be less snobbish about your law school's ranking, certain firms in major markets simply do zero recruiting from any law schools outside the top tier. Summer associate classes consist almost entirely of students from top-tier law schools, and only a very small percentage of their class comes from a 2d- or 3d-tier school. And in those cases, you literally have to be the a top 5 student in the entire class to get a look from those firms. While many top firms will go pretty deep into the class rankings at top-tier schools, they will rarely go below the top 5 at a lower tier school.

In a tertiary market (SLC, Denver, Seattle, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Cleveland, et al.), the story is a bit different. In those markets, ineptimus's advice is likely generally correct in that the cost of going to Stanford is going to be a lot higher than the cost of going to BYU or Utah, and average partner compensation in Utah is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than compensation in, say, Silicon Valley or New York ($350K-$400K average partner compensation in SLC versus $1.2M-$1.5M in places like Silicon Valley and NYC; also average compensation for all attorneys in Utah runs between $75,295 and $99,564 -- compare that to the STARTING salary of $190,000 for a first year associate at most AmLaw 100 firms). Firms in Utah may not view someone who grew up in Utah and left to attend a top-tier school with a desire to return to practice in Utah as "carpet-bagger," but they will definitely have questions about why someone would go pay $60K in annual tuition (not to mention room and board) at Stanford versus $11K at God's school (which they probably attended and was good enough for them), only to return to Utah where compensation is SO much lower than in a major market. You'd better have a good story and good reason to want to return to Utah from a top-tier and far more expensive law school.

That said, attending a top tier law school is something you can hang your hat on for the rest of your career. It definitely carries a lot more weight when you are meeting with a potential client for the first time to say you attended Stanford or Harvard than the University of Idaho (or whatever). It gives you an immediate credibility that you may have to work a little harder to earn if you attend a lower-tier law school.

That is also true if you might look to move into an in-house role later in your career. My firm does more in-house placements than anyone in the world, and I can tell you that a significant percentage of clients seeking a new GC ask for only those candidates who attended at top 10 or top 20 law school.

IMHO, unless you are certain you want to spend your career in a regional or local firm in a tertiary market, you are almost always better off going to the best law school you can get into. I believe the investment pays off in the long run.

Interesting twist on all this: I just finished listening to "Hillbilly Elegy" by JD Vance. Great book, by the way. He grew up in extreme poverty in Appalachia. He was accepted to Yale Law. He discovered that with the need based scholarship available to him at Yale, it was actually cheaper for him to attend Yale than to attend Ohio State. So, depending on individual circumstances, the more prestigious school can actually be the least expensive.

ChicAggie · Post by **ChicAggie** » February 18th, 2019, 11:04 am

LKGates wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2019, 10:54 am
I just finished listening to "Hillbilly Elegy" by JD Vance. Great book, by the way.

Agreed. Story of my life.

Actually, there were a LOT of parallels.

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » February 18th, 2019, 11:48 pm

ChicAggie wrote: ↑
February 18th, 2019, 10:43 am

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 11:18 pm

flying_scotsman2.0 wrote: ↑
February 16th, 2019, 5:29 pm
I'm no lawyer, but does the ranking matter all that much? Maybe to get a job initially, but once you have that job, your school doesn't matter all that much, right? Unless you wanna be a supreme court justice, maybe, then it's good to go to Harvard. idk
For certain first jobs, your law school’s ranking matters a little.

The ranking that matters the most though is your class ranking, because legal hiring is largely regional and based on class ranking (meaning the lion’s share of Idaho lawyers even at the “bigger” Idaho firms went to U of I) KU is a “higher ranked” law school than U of I, but if anything, I felt that going to KU counted against me for certain law jobs in Idaho (just my feel based on interview questions).

IMO, best thing to do is to go to the best, most affordable school in the geographic area you’d like to work in and get yourself into the Top 10% to 20% of your class. Otherwise, you might come across as a carpetbagger.

Put another way, you’d be much better served going to BYU or Utah law if you want to work in Utah or U of I if you wanted to work in Idaho than forking over gobs of money for a Stanford, Harvard, etc. law degree.

There are a million different opinions on this, but this is mine.
After 17 years of practice in Chicago (at a litigation boutique for three years, a mid-size middle market firm of 250 lawyers for 10 years, and at a global firm with 4200 lawyers for four years), I hung up my spurs in 2011 and became a legal recruiter. While firms in tertiary markets tend to be less snobbish about your law school's ranking, certain firms in major markets simply do zero recruiting from any law schools outside the top tier. Summer associate classes consist almost entirely of students from top-tier law schools, and only a very small percentage of their class comes from a 2d- or 3d-tier school. And in those cases, you literally have to be the a top 5 student in the entire class to get a look from those firms. While many top firms will go pretty deep into the class rankings at top-tier schools, they will rarely go below the top 5 at a lower tier school.

In a tertiary market (SLC, Denver, Seattle, Phoenix, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Cleveland, et al.), the story is a bit different. In those markets, ineptimus's advice is likely generally correct in that the cost of going to Stanford is going to be a lot higher than the cost of going to BYU or Utah, and average partner compensation in Utah is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than compensation in, say, Silicon Valley or New York ($350K-$400K average partner compensation in SLC versus $1.2M-$1.5M in places like Silicon Valley and NYC; also average compensation for all attorneys in Utah runs between $75,295 and $99,564 -- compare that to the STARTING salary of $190,000 for a first year associate at most AmLaw 100 firms). Firms in Utah may not view someone who grew up in Utah and left to attend a top-tier school with a desire to return to practice in Utah as "carpet-bagger," but they will definitely have questions about why someone would go pay $60K in annual tuition (not to mention room and board) at Stanford versus $11K at God's school (which they probably attended and was good enough for them), only to return to Utah where compensation is SO much lower than in a major market. You'd better have a good story and good reason to want to return to Utah from a top-tier and far more expensive law school.

That said, attending a top tier law school is something you can hang your hat on for the rest of your career. It definitely carries a lot more weight when you are meeting with a potential client for the first time to say you attended Stanford or Harvard than the University of Idaho (or whatever). It gives you an immediate credibility that you may have to work a little harder to earn if you attend a lower-tier law school.

That is also true if you might look to move into an in-house role later in your career. My firm does more in-house placements than anyone in the world, and I can tell you that a significant percentage of clients seeking a new GC ask for only those candidates who attended at top 10 or top 20 law school.

IMHO, unless you are certain you want to spend your career in a regional or local firm in a tertiary market, you are almost always better off going to the best law school you can get into. I believe the investment pays off in the long run.

I guess I agree with most of this.

One thing — I’m not sure I agree that it is amost always better to “go to the best school you can get into,” because I’m not sure what that means. Are you saying the best school you can get into based on the current but ever-fluctuating U.S. News rankings? If so, I just disagree with that (my law school has fluctuated between the 50s and 80s in USNWR rankings since around 2012). I definitely agree that you go to Harvard over U of Idaho unless you are 100% certain you want to live in Idaho, but I’m not sure it would really ever make financial sense for a kid from Utah to pay sticker at a WashU, Indiana, Emory, etc. when a student who could get into those schools could likely go to BYU or Utah for free or close to free. I guess it just depends on what you mean by “best law school.” If you get into a truly elite law school (Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Chicago, etc.) and your goal is to make it rain above all else, then yes, go to the elite school. When you start comparing schools ranked in the 20s with schools ranked in the 40s or 50s, I think the evaluation becomes a lot more nuanced than “go to the highest ranked school.” Career goals, geography, etc. might make a big difference.

Full disclosure — I didn’t have the LSAT score to get into any truly elite school coming out of undergrad. However, after 1L year at KU, I applied and was admitted as a transfer student at a Top 20 law school. I ultimately decided to stay at KU though when I considered my career and personal goals. I knew I didn’t want to bill 2500 hours per year and had no desire to live in a big city (which, apparently, is rare for millenials). I enjoy the smallish town I work in, the billable hour expectations at my firm, and the quality time I get to spend with my wife, kids, and extended family. Even my firm of about 60-70 attorneys would feel too big, but I have the benefit of working in a satellite office with only 4 other attorneys. I also have a relatively guaranteed partnership track and the benefit of already being the succession plan for a couple of attorneys with some great clients. Had I transferred to the top 20 law school and tripled the cost of my law school tuition, I would have priced myself out of taking my current job that I love.

TL;DR — I think we are both right in a sense. The real correct answer is law school choice totally depends on your career goals and personal situation. Your advice is right on for the person who wants to work in a big city at a big firm. That just wasn’t and isn’t ever going to be me. I would not trade my situation with an associate at a large firm in New York, Chicago, etc. I’m sure they’d say the same, but different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

Also, I’ve never had a client ask where I went to law school. Maybe that’s just an Idaho thing, but nobody here (members of the bar or otherwise) seems to care much where you went to school. Maybe that’s cuz we all jus a buncha toothless country bumpkins.

Double also — you are all welcome for turning this Boise troll thread into a riveting discussion about law school.

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