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That’s incorrect. Unless he pulls his name from the draft by May 29th it doesn’t make any difference whether he’s drafted or not. He won’t be eligible to resume his college career.bluegrouse wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:20 pmIf he goes undrafted, he can come back.ChicAggie wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 3:41 pmIt's not whether he gets drafted in the first round or not. It's whether he thinks he's going to get drafted high enough that he wants to stay in the draft. If he stays in the draft and doesn't get drafted (or gets drafted only in the second round), he has lost the ability to return to USU at that point. So the question is whether one or more teams will be willing to tell him that if he stays in the draft, they will guarantee him they will use their first round pick on him.
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You’re wrong, he’s right https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/col ... story.htmlutaggies wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:42 pmThat’s incorrect. Unless he pulls his name from the draft by May 29th it doesn’t make any difference whether he’s drafted or not. He won’t be eligible to resume his college career.bluegrouse wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:20 pmIf he goes undrafted, he can come back.ChicAggie wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 3:41 pmIt's not whether he gets drafted in the first round or not. It's whether he thinks he's going to get drafted high enough that he wants to stay in the draft. If he stays in the draft and doesn't get drafted (or gets drafted only in the second round), he has lost the ability to return to USU at that point. So the question is whether one or more teams will be willing to tell him that if he stays in the draft, they will guarantee him they will use their first round pick on him.
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Unfortunately, that rule wasn't put in place. The relevant part is this:QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:58 pmYou’re wrong, he’s right https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/col ... story.htmlutaggies wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:42 pmThat’s incorrect. Unless he pulls his name from the draft by May 29th it doesn’t make any difference whether he’s drafted or not. He won’t be eligible to resume his college career.bluegrouse wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:20 pmIf he goes undrafted, he can come back.ChicAggie wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 3:41 pmIt's not whether he gets drafted in the first round or not. It's whether he thinks he's going to get drafted high enough that he wants to stay in the draft. If he stays in the draft and doesn't get drafted (or gets drafted only in the second round), he has lost the ability to return to USU at that point. So the question is whether one or more teams will be willing to tell him that if he stays in the draft, they will guarantee him they will use their first round pick on him.
It was anticipated that the NBA would put that rule in place but they haven't done so. Without the NBA putting that rule in place, an NBA team could sign an undrafted player in the middle of next season away from a college where he's playing well. The NCAA doesn't want that to happen.“This change is effective if/when the NBA and NBPA make an expected rule change, which would make undrafted student-athletes who return to college after the draft ineligible for the NBA until the end of the next college basketball season,” the NCAA wrote.
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I should have trusted my judgment back when I was sober.QuackAttackAggie wrote:You’re wrong, he’s right https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/col ... story.htmlutaggies wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:42 pmThat’s incorrect. Unless he pulls his name from the draft by May 29th it doesn’t make any difference whether he’s drafted or not. He won’t be eligible to resume his college career.bluegrouse wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:20 pmIf he goes undrafted, he can come back.ChicAggie wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 3:41 pmIt's not whether he gets drafted in the first round or not. It's whether he thinks he's going to get drafted high enough that he wants to stay in the draft. If he stays in the draft and doesn't get drafted (or gets drafted only in the second round), he has lost the ability to return to USU at that point. So the question is whether one or more teams will be willing to tell him that if he stays in the draft, they will guarantee him they will use their first round pick on him.
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Sorry. My bad. I read multiple articles from last summer but as Provo notes, the NBA didn’t change their rules and therefore the NCAA rule has not gone into effect. So, Queta has until the 29th of May to decide if he’s staying in the draft or if he’s coming back to Logan. After that, he is ineligible no matter what happens. Sorry I misunderstood all of that.
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Oh I didn't know that part. Well I can't see him staying in at this point unless a team tells him flat out we are coming for you.ProvoAggie wrote:Unfortunately, that rule wasn't put in place. The relevant part is this:QuackAttackAggie wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:58 pmYou’re wrong, he’s right https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/col ... story.htmlutaggies wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:42 pmThat’s incorrect. Unless he pulls his name from the draft by May 29th it doesn’t make any difference whether he’s drafted or not. He won’t be eligible to resume his college career.bluegrouse wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 8:20 pmIf he goes undrafted, he can come back.ChicAggie wrote: ↑May 17th, 2019, 3:41 pmIt's not whether he gets drafted in the first round or not. It's whether he thinks he's going to get drafted high enough that he wants to stay in the draft. If he stays in the draft and doesn't get drafted (or gets drafted only in the second round), he has lost the ability to return to USU at that point. So the question is whether one or more teams will be willing to tell him that if he stays in the draft, they will guarantee him they will use their first round pick on him.It was anticipated that the NBA would put that rule in place but they haven't done so. Without the NBA putting that rule in place, an NBA team could sign an undrafted player in the middle of next season away from a college where he's playing well. The NCAA doesn't want that to happen.“This change is effective if/when the NBA and NBPA make an expected rule change, which would make undrafted student-athletes who return to college after the draft ineligible for the NBA until the end of the next college basketball season,” the NCAA wrote.
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That KSL article says he has until June 10 to decide. I’ve seen the end of May as the date too. Which is it?
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FWIW, CBS Sports just updated their NBA Draft "Big Board", where they list their top 130 potential draft picks. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/prospect-rankings/ (How'd they decide on 130??)
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#38...good enough for the top half of the 2nd round. I have my doubts. But good luck NQ, no matter what he chooses...
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#38...good enough for the top half of the 2nd round. I have my doubts. But good luck NQ, no matter what he chooses...
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That's possible, except they never had him listed to begin with. And didn't even add him after he was selected to attend the combine. CBSSports appears to be the only one late to the show.aceofspadeskb wrote: ↑May 24th, 2019, 10:56 amAt this point I think the lists that don't have Queta on them are assuming he comes back to USU. I don't think they're saying he's not one of the best 50 prospects. He is.
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If that was the case, they wouldn’t list any underclassmen. He hasn’t indicated in any way that he is returning to Utah State since he declared so why would they treat him any different than any other early declarer? That doesn’t make sense to me at all.aceofspadeskb wrote: ↑May 24th, 2019, 10:56 amAt this point I think the lists that don't have Queta on them are assuming he comes back to USU. I don't think they're saying he's not one of the best 50 prospects. He is.
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Of course, the KSL article says he has until June 10th. They want him to read it and miss the actual deadline of the 29th. Anything to get a competitive edge at that place.
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If he actually missed the deadline because he read that, I would be ticked and hope he sues KSL.
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It's just a totally biased conspiracy theory of mine. I'm sure the coaching staff would be on his a$$ about it!ThunderAggie wrote: ↑May 24th, 2019, 2:24 pmIf he actually missed the deadline because he read that, I would be ticked and hope he sues KSL.
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CBS Sports has Queta at No. 38 overall and No.6 Center on their most recent Big Board for the NBA Draft. As much as I'd like to see him come back for at least one more year, I think he'll stay in the draft.
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Not sure why you would risk being taken in the 2d round for no guaranteed money and a much smaller contract this season if you have the confidence in yourself to believe you can play and improve yourself into a top-half-of-the-first-round player next year and get a 3-year guarantee at 4 or 5 times the amount per year. Seems like short term thinking.Bigd23 wrote:CBS Sports has Queta at No. 38 overall and No.6 Center on their most recent Big Board for the NBA Draft. As much as I'd like to see him come back for at least one more year, I think he'll stay in the draft.
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I agree that one more year in college can only put him in either the exact same position at a low 6 figure annual contract or springboard him to a 7 figure multi year deal that he's not looking likely to get this year.
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This article sheds some light on 2nd round picks
"https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com ... igh-rates/"
"https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com ... igh-rates/"
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I saw the same article, but what that article fails to specify is the average length and average amount of the guaranteed contracts for second-rounders. While it suggests that most of them are two-year deals, I would bet that the most of them are at the league minimum of $815,615. The BOTTOM pick in the first round in 2018 received a 3-year guarantee at $1,350,400, $1,581,500, and $1,656,900 -- a guaranteed total of nearly $4.6M. If you have confidence you can play yourself into a first-round draft choice, it seems like a no-brainer you would stick around for an extra year to get 1st round money if possible compared to a probable contract at $815,615 for one or two years.nvspuds wrote: ↑May 25th, 2019, 5:50 pmThis article sheds some light on 2nd round picks
"https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com ... igh-rates/"
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The good thing for second rounders who stick is they can become free agents quicker than 1st rounders..
I think he should stay because college ball is fun..The NBA is a business..But I don't know what his financial situation is. Still the NBA is where the money is and 800 grand ain't bad scratch..
I think he should stay because college ball is fun..The NBA is a business..But I don't know what his financial situation is. Still the NBA is where the money is and 800 grand ain't bad scratch..
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I'm pretty hopeful that this isn't the case but there have been others in year's back who jumped earlier than might have been financially wise just for the simple fact that going to class and being accountable academically is just not their cup of tea.
I wonder how many 19 year olds have heard how great they are, how much potential they have, and how much money they can make, just quit going to class.
Having said that, I'm putting his odds at being back on campus next year at 70/30. 70 because I think he will get good advice and he seems like a pretty intelligent kid.....30 because 19 year olds, no matter how wise, sometimes don't make the best decisions. Some of us struggle with that problem far beyond 19.
I wonder how many 19 year olds have heard how great they are, how much potential they have, and how much money they can make, just quit going to class.
Having said that, I'm putting his odds at being back on campus next year at 70/30. 70 because I think he will get good advice and he seems like a pretty intelligent kid.....30 because 19 year olds, no matter how wise, sometimes don't make the best decisions. Some of us struggle with that problem far beyond 19.
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Guys like Ben Simmons, Jayson Tatum, and Donovan Mitchell are getting screwed by their rookie deals. If you're good, the faster you get off your rookie contract, the faster you're making real money.
On the other hand, rookie deals for guys like Frank Ntilikina are screwing their teams. He's probably dreading the end of his rookie deal.
On the other hand, rookie deals for guys like Frank Ntilikina are screwing their teams. He's probably dreading the end of his rookie deal.
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Media rankings mean less than nothing.
As a media analyst you have no downside in being wrong about a guy, but when you’re right you get to never shut up about how you were totally right about a recruit that “flew under the radar”.
Queta is very talented. Right now he is not good enough for the NBA. His best chance to get meaningful minutes, meanigful (paid for) strength/ conditioning during the off season is in college.
I hope Queta listens to the scouts, his coaches and makes a decision based on people who can evaluate talent and not CBS, ESPN media types who have little vested interest in his future and are not very knowledgeable about basketball. And not an agent whose only interest is getting an initial cut and will cut him off in a heartbeat if it doesn’t pan out.
It’s not like I know either, but I’m not going around making rankings.
As a media analyst you have no downside in being wrong about a guy, but when you’re right you get to never shut up about how you were totally right about a recruit that “flew under the radar”.
Queta is very talented. Right now he is not good enough for the NBA. His best chance to get meaningful minutes, meanigful (paid for) strength/ conditioning during the off season is in college.
I hope Queta listens to the scouts, his coaches and makes a decision based on people who can evaluate talent and not CBS, ESPN media types who have little vested interest in his future and are not very knowledgeable about basketball. And not an agent whose only interest is getting an initial cut and will cut him off in a heartbeat if it doesn’t pan out.
It’s not like I know either, but I’m not going around making rankings.
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I keep hearing posts like this but haven't heard the reasoning behind it.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑May 25th, 2019, 7:45 pmHis best chance to get meaningful minutes, meanigful (paid for) strength/ conditioning during the off season is in college.
Can't he play more games against better competition in the G league? Doesn't the G league have professional coaches and trainers? Aren't college coaches and trainers constrained in how much they can help Queta by NCAA rules?
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This is true, but that's a small percentage of first round picks from the last couple of years. I wonder what the stats are on first rounders second contract. Too lazy to look myself. I would bet most get about what their rookie contract was or less.brownjeans wrote: ↑May 25th, 2019, 7:17 pmGuys like Ben Simmons, Jayson Tatum, and Donovan Mitchell are getting screwed by their rookie deals. If you're good, the faster you get off your rookie contract, the faster you're making real money.
On the other hand, rookie deals for guys like Frank Ntilikina are screwing their teams. He's probably dreading the end of his rookie deal.
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College strength coaches are not as limited on how much they interact with players. That’s why they exist... and are paid what they are because they can interact with players when team coaching staff cannot. The off season is for lifting. That’s where you make the changes to your body necessary to compete.brownjeans wrote: ↑May 25th, 2019, 9:49 pmI keep hearing posts like this but haven't heard the reasoning behind it.Imakeitrain wrote: ↑May 25th, 2019, 7:45 pmHis best chance to get meaningful minutes, meanigful (paid for) strength/ conditioning during the off season is in college.
Can't he play more games against better competition in the G league? Doesn't the G league have professional coaches and trainers? Aren't college coaches and trainers constrained in how much they can help Queta by NCAA rules?
You aren’t going to try to go through strength, max strength or power phase when you have the Fort Wayne Mad Ants tomorrow (nor if you have UVU). Those gains are made during the off season.
Pro-teams have gyms and trainers, but people don’t tend to live where their team is full time. A lot of players move back and hire trainers- which for someone making $2.4 million isn’t a big deal. Im willing to bet for someone making $45,000 for their time in the league, then have to work at Red Robin for the remaining 7 months it can be difficult to pay $700 a month on the low end for a strength coach.
As for “better opponent” yes, but minutes matter. If he plays “better” competition in G League but has his minutes cut in a third- that doesn’t serve him well. Plus, when we play P5 teams or some G5 it’s possible his matchup is better than anyone he faces in G League.
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If he can’t make it in the first round, he should come back. Plain and simple. If it is t a guarantee, he should also come back.
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As you should.Madmartigan wrote:I’m feeling very confident Queta will be back.
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