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As I said earlier, there is an issue in regards to his graduate program. There is still a slight possibility that he stays here at Utah State.Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:21 amI am infinitely curious as to the reason for the transfer. He was going to get oodles of playing time this year. This one does hurt, no way to spin it positively for me.
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TY. I didn't see that post apparently. My bad, thanks for all the good info you provide.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:27 amAs I said earlier, there is an issue in regards to his graduate program. There is still a slight possibility that he stays here at Utah State.Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:21 amI am infinitely curious as to the reason for the transfer. He was going to get oodles of playing time this year. This one does hurt, no way to spin it positively for me.
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I am in Midland this week, and I’ve got half a mind to drive up to Lubbock and leave a bag of flaming dog poo in front of Wells’ door.Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:30 amTY. I didn't see that post apparently. My bad, thanks for all the good info you provide.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:27 amAs I said earlier, there is an issue in regards to his graduate program. There is still a slight possibility that he stays here at Utah State.Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:21 amI am infinitely curious as to the reason for the transfer. He was going to get oodles of playing time this year. This one does hurt, no way to spin it positively for me.
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No worries my Aggie brother!Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:30 amTY. I didn't see that post apparently. My bad, thanks for all the good info you provide.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:27 amAs I said earlier, there is an issue in regards to his graduate program. There is still a slight possibility that he stays here at Utah State.Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:21 amI am infinitely curious as to the reason for the transfer. He was going to get oodles of playing time this year. This one does hurt, no way to spin it positively for me.
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PLEASE PLEASE leave one for me!!!!YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:51 amI am in Midland this week, and I’ve got half a mind to drive up to Lubbock and leave a bag of flaming dog poo in front of Wells’ door.Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:30 amTY. I didn't see that post apparently. My bad, thanks for all the good info you provide.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:27 amAs I said earlier, there is an issue in regards to his graduate program. There is still a slight possibility that he stays here at Utah State.Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:21 amI am infinitely curious as to the reason for the transfer. He was going to get oodles of playing time this year. This one does hurt, no way to spin it positively for me.
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To: Balding, unlikable cheatertaniataylor wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:04 amPLEASE PLEASE leave one for me!!!!YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:51 amI am in Midland this week, and I’ve got half a mind to drive up to Lubbock and leave a bag of flaming dog poo in front of Wells’ door.Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:30 amTY. I didn't see that post apparently. My bad, thanks for all the good info you provide.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:27 amAs I said earlier, there is an issue in regards to his graduate program. There is still a slight possibility that he stays here at Utah State.Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:21 amI am infinitely curious as to the reason for the transfer. He was going to get oodles of playing time this year. This one does hurt, no way to spin it positively for me.
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I've been reading this thread wondering why many seemed to assume he was going to TT. Seems that assumption was wrong. When you assume, you can make a sticky situation worse . . . or something like that.
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This has to do with Grad school? How dare a student-athlete put his education first!
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I have zero issue with student athletes putting education first. I do have somewhat of an issue with waiting until a week before fall camp to announce your intention to grad transfer. I mean, was it not known months ago that he’d be able to graduate and this would be a possibility?
That said, I don’t know the details. Maybe he’s been communicating transparently with the staff about this being a possibility for the last few months and they’ve got a contingency plan in place to fill his spot.
If he did this with the blessing of the coaches and they are able to fill his spot, then I’m happy for him.
That said, I don’t know the details. Maybe he’s been communicating transparently with the staff about this being a possibility for the last few months and they’ve got a contingency plan in place to fill his spot.
If he did this with the blessing of the coaches and they are able to fill his spot, then I’m happy for him.
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I understand that it leaves the team in a bad situation, but with 85 scholarships and 22 starting positions on offense and defense, I expect coaches to have reasonable depth at most positions. Losing one CB, even a starter, shouldn't be the difference in W/Ls on a team if the coaches have been recruiting and developing well.
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Unfortunately, cornerback is one of the spots that lacks the most depth.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 4:50 pmI understand that it leaves the team in a bad situation, but with 85 scholarships and 22 starting positions on offense and defense, I expect coaches to have reasonable depth at most positions. Losing one CB, even a starter, shouldn't be the difference in W/Ls on a team if the coaches have been recruiting and developing well.
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And if it ends up costing us, I blame the coaches, not the departure of one CB.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 5:06 pmUnfortunately, cornerback is one of the spots that lacks the most depth.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 4:50 pmI understand that it leaves the team in a bad situation, but with 85 scholarships and 22 starting positions on offense and defense, I expect coaches to have reasonable depth at most positions. Losing one CB, even a starter, shouldn't be the difference in W/Ls on a team if the coaches have been recruiting and developing well.
This isn't basketball where you don't have enough scholarships to go three deep. This is football where they have 85 scholarships for basically 25 starting positions (if you count punter, kicker, and long snapper). That's enough to go three deep everywhere and then some. We should have at least seven scholarship CBs. The case could be made for more with as many WRs people play with.
I'm sorry to see Ingram go, and it might hurt us, but it shouldn't.
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That was a guy I really liked in this class. Believe he would only be a soph? Not sure his eligibility.
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Do we know a timeline for Ingram’s decision? If he doesn’t know by the time practice starts will he practice with the team?
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I agree. Most schools carry at least 8 scholarship cornerbacks, if not 9 and some as many as 10. BUT I wouldn't place all the blame on this coaching staff. Between cornerback and safety, the previous coaching staff left short them of normal scholarship numbers. Demarcus Griffin-Taylor having to greyshirt hurt a little bit. However, anytime you lose a potential starter, you're going to feel the loss unless you're LSU.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:12 pmAnd if it ends up costing us, I blame the coaches, not the departure of one CB.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 5:06 pmUnfortunately, cornerback is one of the spots that lacks the most depth.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 4:50 pmI understand that it leaves the team in a bad situation, but with 85 scholarships and 22 starting positions on offense and defense, I expect coaches to have reasonable depth at most positions. Losing one CB, even a starter, shouldn't be the difference in W/Ls on a team if the coaches have been recruiting and developing well.
This isn't basketball where you don't have enough scholarships to go three deep. This is football where they have 85 scholarships for basically 25 starting positions (if you count punter, kicker, and long snapper). That's enough to go three deep everywhere and then some. We should have at least seven scholarship CBs. The case could be made for more with as many WRs people play with.
I'm sorry to see Ingram go, and it might hurt us, but it shouldn't.
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I wouldn't count on Taquelin Harris. I know we still have him listed as warm but in all honesty, we just haven't gone back and done much, if any editing on the 2019 class. Once the second signing period ends the first week of March, we pretty much just move on to 2020. Sorry if that causes any confusion.
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I would place almost none of the blame on this coaching staff. How are they supposed to influence a five-year recruiting cycle in just 8 months?aggies22 wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:05 amI agree. Most schools carry at least 8 scholarship cornerbacks, if not 9 and some as many as 10. BUT I wouldn't place all the blame on this coaching staff. Between cornerback and safety, the previous coaching staff left short them of normal scholarship numbers. Demarcus Griffin-Taylor having to greyshirt hurt a little bit. However, anytime you lose a potential starter, you're going to feel the loss unless you're LSU.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:12 pmAnd if it ends up costing us, I blame the coaches, not the departure of one CB.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 5:06 pmUnfortunately, cornerback is one of the spots that lacks the most depth.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 4:50 pmI understand that it leaves the team in a bad situation, but with 85 scholarships and 22 starting positions on offense and defense, I expect coaches to have reasonable depth at most positions. Losing one CB, even a starter, shouldn't be the difference in W/Ls on a team if the coaches have been recruiting and developing well.
This isn't basketball where you don't have enough scholarships to go three deep. This is football where they have 85 scholarships for basically 25 starting positions (if you count punter, kicker, and long snapper). That's enough to go three deep everywhere and then some. We should have at least seven scholarship CBs. The case could be made for more with as many WRs people play with.
I'm sorry to see Ingram go, and it might hurt us, but it shouldn't.
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I do agree that the current staff has nothing to do with the five-year recruiting cycle but they should have identified the lack of depth with scholarship numbers and rectified that. For example, the new staff saw a lack of appropriate numbers in TEs and brought in 4.YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:20 amI would place almost none of the blame on this coaching staff. How are they supposed to influence a five-year recruiting cycle in just 8 months?aggies22 wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:05 amI agree. Most schools carry at least 8 scholarship cornerbacks, if not 9 and some as many as 10. BUT I wouldn't place all the blame on this coaching staff. Between cornerback and safety, the previous coaching staff left short them of normal scholarship numbers. Demarcus Griffin-Taylor having to greyshirt hurt a little bit. However, anytime you lose a potential starter, you're going to feel the loss unless you're LSU.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:12 pmAnd if it ends up costing us, I blame the coaches, not the departure of one CB.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 5:06 pmUnfortunately, cornerback is one of the spots that lacks the most depth.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 4:50 pmI understand that it leaves the team in a bad situation, but with 85 scholarships and 22 starting positions on offense and defense, I expect coaches to have reasonable depth at most positions. Losing one CB, even a starter, shouldn't be the difference in W/Ls on a team if the coaches have been recruiting and developing well.
This isn't basketball where you don't have enough scholarships to go three deep. This is football where they have 85 scholarships for basically 25 starting positions (if you count punter, kicker, and long snapper). That's enough to go three deep everywhere and then some. We should have at least seven scholarship CBs. The case could be made for more with as many WRs people play with.
I'm sorry to see Ingram go, and it might hurt us, but it shouldn't.
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Not exactly apples to apples, given that only two of those TEs came from actual recruiting (Manu from JuCo and Jack Drews as a PWO) and two came from Gary knowing people (Logan Lee was already on the team, Caleb Repp was in his film room most days last year).aggies22 wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:44 amI do agree that the current staff has nothing to do with the five-year recruiting cycle but they should have identified the lack of depth with scholarship numbers and rectified that. For example, the new staff saw a lack of appropriate numbers in TEs and brought in 4.YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:20 amI would place almost none of the blame on this coaching staff. How are they supposed to influence a five-year recruiting cycle in just 8 months?aggies22 wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:05 amI agree. Most schools carry at least 8 scholarship cornerbacks, if not 9 and some as many as 10. BUT I wouldn't place all the blame on this coaching staff. Between cornerback and safety, the previous coaching staff left short them of normal scholarship numbers. Demarcus Griffin-Taylor having to greyshirt hurt a little bit. However, anytime you lose a potential starter, you're going to feel the loss unless you're LSU.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:12 pmAnd if it ends up costing us, I blame the coaches, not the departure of one CB.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 5:06 pmUnfortunately, cornerback is one of the spots that lacks the most depth.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 4:50 pmI understand that it leaves the team in a bad situation, but with 85 scholarships and 22 starting positions on offense and defense, I expect coaches to have reasonable depth at most positions. Losing one CB, even a starter, shouldn't be the difference in W/Ls on a team if the coaches have been recruiting and developing well.
This isn't basketball where you don't have enough scholarships to go three deep. This is football where they have 85 scholarships for basically 25 starting positions (if you count punter, kicker, and long snapper). That's enough to go three deep everywhere and then some. We should have at least seven scholarship CBs. The case could be made for more with as many WRs people play with.
I'm sorry to see Ingram go, and it might hurt us, but it shouldn't.
They tried to bring in Griffin-Taylor, and Dominic Tatum was only successfully recruited after Andersen joined up (he had been committed to Nevada and then Wells was hot on his tail at TTU). Wells' staff had lost a lot of battles before Gary even got here (Sione Vaki, Jojo Forest, KJ Trujillo all come to mind) and had not properly backfilled those offers.
If Gary had been hired before the 2018 season, there would be more blame you could legimately place on him. He was able to fix the TE situation, but didn't have the same relationships to immediately fix CB. Given how recruiting works in today's system, it is very hard to come into a player's home in December or January and try to make up six months worth of visits.
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Summer semester does not end until August 9th and grades will not be turned in until the following week. He will need some of these credits to graduate and be a grad transfer. Him graduating this summer is still not a given as he is scrambling to finish up.
The timing of this is very strange and not the best for Ingram. It will be interesting to see if he is on the practice field for USU in a few days. If he does transfer, he will not be able to practice with the new team until his transfer is approved. Therefore, he would miss the first few weeks of practice at the very least.
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Your examples of defensive backs that we offered and did not land are fantastic. Akili Arnold is another one. Again I'm not placing the blame for lack of depth squarely on the new coaching staff shoulders. In fact the old staff does deserve a large majority of the blame. I'll make the same argument for the WRs as well. I'm simply stating that the new staff could have been a little more proactive in adding one or two guys. I know they scoured the JuCo ranks for WRs, they could have done the same for a little extra help in the secondary.YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 8:58 amNot exactly apples to apples, given that only two of those TEs came from actual recruiting (Manu from JuCo and Jack Drews as a PWO) and two came from Gary knowing people (Logan Lee was already on the team, Caleb Repp was in his film room most days last year).aggies22 wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:44 amI do agree that the current staff has nothing to do with the five-year recruiting cycle but they should have identified the lack of depth with scholarship numbers and rectified that. For example, the new staff saw a lack of appropriate numbers in TEs and brought in 4.YoungBloodAggie wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:20 amI would place almost none of the blame on this coaching staff. How are they supposed to influence a five-year recruiting cycle in just 8 months?aggies22 wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:05 amI agree. Most schools carry at least 8 scholarship cornerbacks, if not 9 and some as many as 10. BUT I wouldn't place all the blame on this coaching staff. Between cornerback and safety, the previous coaching staff left short them of normal scholarship numbers. Demarcus Griffin-Taylor having to greyshirt hurt a little bit. However, anytime you lose a potential starter, you're going to feel the loss unless you're LSU.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:12 pmAnd if it ends up costing us, I blame the coaches, not the departure of one CB.aggies22 wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 5:06 pmUnfortunately, cornerback is one of the spots that lacks the most depth.brownjeans wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 4:50 pmI understand that it leaves the team in a bad situation, but with 85 scholarships and 22 starting positions on offense and defense, I expect coaches to have reasonable depth at most positions. Losing one CB, even a starter, shouldn't be the difference in W/Ls on a team if the coaches have been recruiting and developing well.
This isn't basketball where you don't have enough scholarships to go three deep. This is football where they have 85 scholarships for basically 25 starting positions (if you count punter, kicker, and long snapper). That's enough to go three deep everywhere and then some. We should have at least seven scholarship CBs. The case could be made for more with as many WRs people play with.
I'm sorry to see Ingram go, and it might hurt us, but it shouldn't.
They tried to bring in Griffin-Taylor, and Dominic Tatum was only successfully recruited after Andersen joined up (he had been committed to Nevada and then Wells was hot on his tail at TTU). Wells' staff had lost a lot of battles before Gary even got here (Sione Vaki, Jojo Forest, KJ Trujillo all come to mind) and had not properly backfilled those offers.
If Gary had been hired before the 2018 season, there would be more blame you could legimately place on him. He was able to fix the TE situation, but didn't have the same relationships to immediately fix CB. Given how recruiting works in today's system, it is very hard to come into a player's home in December or January and try to make up six months worth of visits.
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We should go get Ykili Ross to replace ingram. He's a Safety transfer from USC eligible immediately that's still available. He was a big time recruit in high school. Has played sparingly over the past two years.
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A USC player that was a big-time recruit in HS that got limited playing time at SC with immediate eligibility? That has never worked for us.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 31st, 2019, 11:22 amWe should go get Ykili Ross to replace ingram. He's a Safety transfer from USC eligible immediatel that's still available. He was a bigtime recruit in high school. Has played sparingly over the past two years.
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Guy seemed like he left usc with some bitter feelings. I have no idea but I wonder what his attitude is like. He had a shot to start at usc last year and then left. Interesting that he has found no where else to play.Madmartigan wrote: ↑July 31st, 2019, 11:24 amA USC player that was a big-time recruit in HS that got limited playing time at SC with immediate eligibility? That has never worked for us.Roy McAvoy wrote: ↑July 31st, 2019, 11:22 amWe should go get Ykili Ross to replace ingram. He's a Safety transfer from USC eligible immediatel that's still available. He was a bigtime recruit in high school. Has played sparingly over the past two years.
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I just left media day, it's quite apparent that Ja'marcus Ingram is no longer a member of the program.
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I hope he decides to stay for the betterment of our program. But if it is for personal reasons that are better for him, best of luck in his future !
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There are limited scholarships available every year. We are stilll building a program.
No matter how hard you try to build positions- people transfer, people don’t pan out, promising players get injured and may not play again at the same level. In a pinch you may need to over recruit a certain position to build the necessary depth. Unfortunately, if you try to catch up in one position group, you may need to do the same with another position group in the future. It becomes a reactionary vicious cycle.
We needed corners. But we also needed a lot of other positions, that we filled. We needed tight ends, o-line, d-line, safeties. We did well on those positions.
We had a great recruiting year. Hopefully someone steps up in the secondary. If we can then it will be huge.
No matter how hard you try to build positions- people transfer, people don’t pan out, promising players get injured and may not play again at the same level. In a pinch you may need to over recruit a certain position to build the necessary depth. Unfortunately, if you try to catch up in one position group, you may need to do the same with another position group in the future. It becomes a reactionary vicious cycle.
We needed corners. But we also needed a lot of other positions, that we filled. We needed tight ends, o-line, d-line, safeties. We did well on those positions.
We had a great recruiting year. Hopefully someone steps up in the secondary. If we can then it will be huge.
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I didn't really get much info that hasn't been repeated through every news medium known to man. I did interview Jordan Nathan and Cam Haney. My colleague Isaac interviewed David Woodward. Jordan said that he hated the strength and conditioning program. He then clarified that it was the toughest summer program he'd ever been a part of. He said they didn't run half as much last summer as they did this year and that IF they HAD they would have been unstoppable last year! Cam Haney said the move to safety was suggested as a way to prepare him for a potential career in the NFL. All the interviews from yesterday can be found in my Twitter feed.
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sorry aggie22 i don't know who you are on twitter, who are you?aggies22 wrote: ↑August 1st, 2019, 10:47 amI didn't really get much info that hasn't been repeated through every news medium known to man. I did interview Jordan Nathan and Cam Haney. My colleague Isaac interviewed David Woodward. Jordan said that he hated the strength and conditioning program. He then clarified that it was the toughest summer program he'd ever been a part of. He said they didn't run half as much last summer as they did this year and that IF they HAD they would have been unstoppable last year! Cam Haney said the move to safety was suggested as a way to prepare him for a potential career in the NFL. All the interviews from yesterday can be found in my Twitter feed.
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BrianPhillips@aggies22@BrianPhillipsa1tipitup wrote: ↑August 1st, 2019, 10:51 amsorry aggie22 i don't know who you are on twitter, who are you?aggies22 wrote: ↑August 1st, 2019, 10:47 amI didn't really get much info that hasn't been repeated through every news medium known to man. I did interview Jordan Nathan and Cam Haney. My colleague Isaac interviewed David Woodward. Jordan said that he hated the strength and conditioning program. He then clarified that it was the toughest summer program he'd ever been a part of. He said they didn't run half as much last summer as they did this year and that IF they HAD they would have been unstoppable last year! Cam Haney said the move to safety was suggested as a way to prepare him for a potential career in the NFL. All the interviews from yesterday can be found in my Twitter feed.
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Jordan Nathan also said expects AJ Carter to make an immediate impact and possibly Cam Lampkin.
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