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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by brian5562 » November 26th, 2019, 9:40 am

You can see what Smith is hoping for when Bean rebounds the ball and pushes the ball up the court. This created many plays for himself and others over the weekend. Before next season if Bean can improve his ball handling and his outside shot and Bairstow is ready for a bigger role then the team will be good whether or not they add a true pg.



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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by brownjeans » November 26th, 2019, 9:54 am

2004AG wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 9:21 am
brownjeans wrote:
treesap32 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 9:09 am
In other words, we need better PG play.
Nope, we don't have a PG - and Smith isn't interested in having one. That's why he isn't focused on recruiting one for two straight recruiting seasons.
New Mexico’s press is gonna be awesome without a pg.
*Shrug*
Maybe that's a blind-spot in Smith's approach, or maybe he wants his team to beat a press and not one player. I don't know.

What I'm saying is that it seems to be clear, after two recruiting seasons of not targeting a PG, that Smith doesn't put much value on a traditional PG and fans that need a PG might have to choose to adjust their expectations or start campaigning for a new coach. I recommend the former.

One thing is certain, reading posts for years (I hope Smith is here for years) about how we need a PG is going to get really old for me, so I'm trying to nip it in the bud. Let's be honest, this is about me.
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by Real Life Aggie » November 26th, 2019, 9:58 am

Everyone knows that combo guard with great ball handling abilities (read traditional PG skills) is just a spicy #2. That is what's apparently being sought out here.

We want a Bean Brito, a spicy #2, and a side of Worster sauce.
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by ThunderAggie » November 26th, 2019, 10:00 am

Real Life Aggie wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 9:58 am
Everyone knows that combo guard with great ball handling abilities (read traditional PG skills) is just a spicy #2. That is what's apparently being sought out here.

We want a Bean Brito, a spicy #2, and a side of Worster sauce.
Couldn't of said it better myself!! :lol:



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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by aggies22 » November 26th, 2019, 10:08 am

slcagg wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 6:46 am
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Ashworth - Another version of C. Ainge
Worster - inexperienced freshman combo guard
Bairstow - How many minutes has he played this year? How many assists does he have, compared to turnovers?
(There is no Rylan Jones in this group)
I disagree with the crew ainge comparison. He was much better in hs than ainge.
Steven Ashworth and Rollie Worster are VERY underrated players. Ashworth was able to more than hold his own against very tough national competition and really turned some heads his senior season but he had already inked his LOI. I think Rollie is getting a bad rap here because the last Montana dude (Bradshaw) we took flopped at basically every level he played at. Rollie Worster is NOT the Bradshaw kid. Nobody here digs this kid because nobody has heard of him. Nobody here had heard of Neemias Queta either. My point being when the coaching staff has the opportunity to scout a kid out and really get into who he is, they have done rather well in the recruiting area.
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by aceofspadeskb » November 26th, 2019, 10:08 am

Someone explain to me what "Aircraft Carrier" means in this context.
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by aggies22 » November 26th, 2019, 10:24 am

brownjeans wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 9:54 am
2004AG wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 9:21 am
brownjeans wrote:
treesap32 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 9:09 am
In other words, we need better PG play.
Nope, we don't have a PG - and Smith isn't interested in having one. That's why he isn't focused on recruiting one for two straight recruiting seasons.
New Mexico’s press is gonna be awesome without a pg.
*Shrug*
Maybe that's a blind-spot in Smith's approach, or maybe he wants his team to beat a press and not one player. I don't know.

What I'm saying is that it seems to be clear, after two recruiting seasons of not targeting a PG, that Smith doesn't put much value on a traditional PG and fans that need a PG might have to choose to adjust their expectations or start campaigning for a new coach. I recommend the former.

One thing is certain, reading posts for years (I hope Smith is here for years) about how we need a PG is going to get really old for me, so I'm trying to nip it in the bud. Let's be honest, this is about me.
I think everyone needs to come to the realization that position-specific traditional basketball that many of us grew up playing no longer exists.



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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by brownjeans » November 26th, 2019, 10:35 am

aceofspadeskb wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 10:08 am
Someone explain to me what "Aircraft Carrier" means in this context.
It's a really old inside joke on the message board. Many years ago someone said USU was about to land a really big recruit, really big, aircraft carrier big.
It never materialized so Madmartigan is finally delivering :)
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by freakboy » November 26th, 2019, 11:00 am

aggies22 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 10:24 am
I think everyone needs to come to the realization that position-specific traditional basketball that many of us grew up playing no longer exists.
Nonsense! We need somebody who can make underhand foul pitches!



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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by ChicAggie » November 26th, 2019, 11:10 am

brian5562 wrote:
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if Bean can improve his ball handling and his outside shot and Bairstow is ready for a bigger role then the team will be good whether or not they add a true pg.
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by USU78 » November 26th, 2019, 11:22 am

brownjeans wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 10:35 am
aceofspadeskb wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 10:08 am
Someone explain to me what "Aircraft Carrier" means in this context.
It's a really old inside joke on the message board. Many years ago someone said USU was about to land a really big recruit, really big, aircraft carrier big.
It never materialized so Madmartigan is finally delivering :)
Typical buttinski Daikini.




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You keep using that word. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by newhouse9 » November 26th, 2019, 11:33 am

Wasn't the "aircraft carrier" a Dick Vitale term way back when?



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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by flying_scotsman2.0 » November 26th, 2019, 11:37 am

Roy McAvoy wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 7:41 am
flying_scotsman2.0 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 7:33 am
brownjeans wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 6:51 am
PG-obsessed fans need to understand, Smith isn't interested in 5'10" fast players who dribble 15 seconds every shot clock. He wants four 6'5" to 6'8" guys on the floor who can all handle, pass, and shoot. He wants the ball moving. He wants everyone sharing. He wants everyone to be a threat to drive, pass, or shoot.
If you must have a traditional PG to be happy, you may want a different coach.
Honestly, I don't feel like we've been hurt by our current pg situation. Our ball movement is fantastic and has really helped us to score points. Porter is also a pretty good three point shooter, that's much more valuable in this offense than a "typical" pg.
Did you watch the New Mexico game in the MWC tournament last year? Or the Washington game in the NCAA tournament last year?

Also, Abel is shooting 27% from the 3 point line so far this year.
I remember beating UNM in the tournament. I also remember Matisse Thybulle, arguably the best defender in the country last year, destroying us. If we switched Porter for John Stockton in his prime we still wouldn't have won that game.

My point isn't really that we couldn't possibly be better. But you gotta let this staff do its thing. I don't care if they ever recruit a pg again as long as they keep winning.
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by treesap32 » November 26th, 2019, 11:54 am

brownjeans wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 10:35 am
aceofspadeskb wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 10:08 am
Someone explain to me what "Aircraft Carrier" means in this context.
It's a really old inside joke on the message board. Many years ago someone said USU was about to land a really big recruit, really big, aircraft carrier big.
It never materialized so Madmartigan is finally delivering :)
Madmartigan always delivers.

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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by aggies22 » November 26th, 2019, 12:04 pm

freakboy wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 11:00 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 10:24 am
I think everyone needs to come to the realization that position-specific traditional basketball that many of us grew up playing no longer exists.
Nonsense! We need somebody who can make underhand foul pitches!
The little dude from Hoosiers might still have eligibility left. To Hickory High we must go!



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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by treesap32 » November 26th, 2019, 12:08 pm

aggies22 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 12:04 pm
freakboy wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 11:00 am
aggies22 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 10:24 am
I think everyone needs to come to the realization that position-specific traditional basketball that many of us grew up playing no longer exists.
Nonsense! We need somebody who can make underhand foul pitches!
The little dude from Hoosiers might still have eligibility left. To Hickory High we must go!
Think this guy has any eligibility left?




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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by Pacobag » November 26th, 2019, 12:10 pm

Ok ignore the semantics of "PG"....

Here is an alternative description:
Quick defender (one that can stay with P5 athletic guards)
Solid handles (capable of dribbling without turning the ball over when intense 1-on-1 pressure is applied by elite defenders)
Capable of breaking down defenses with dribble penetration (can beat most defenders to the hole and finish or dish)
Capable of hitting an open shot at a reasonable clip to keep defenses honest when the ball is not in his hands

Can we make do without a player as described, of course. Is our primary goal to be competitive in the MW or make a run in the Dance? Do we need at least one player like the one I described to become elite? Maybe, maybe not but I would like to have one considering we have 13 scholarships.



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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by aggies22 » November 26th, 2019, 12:15 pm

Pacobag wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 12:10 pm
Ok ignore the semantics of "PG"....

Here is an alternative description:
Quick defender (one that can stay with P5 athletic guards)
Solid handles (capable of dribbling without turning the ball over when intense 1-on-1 pressure is applied by elite defenders)
Capable of breaking down defenses with dribble penetration (can beat most defenders to the hole and finish or dish)
Capable of hitting an open shot at a reasonable clip to keep defenses honest when the ball is not in his hands

Can we make do without a player as described, of course. Is our primary goal to be competitive in the MW or make a run in the Dance? Do we need at least one player like the one I described to become elite? Maybe, maybe not but I would like to have one considering we have 13 scholarships.
We have that dude on our roster. Marco Anthony.
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Post by brownjeans » November 26th, 2019, 1:08 pm

If Marco Anthony is an elite perimeter defender, I'm excited to have him.
Pooh Williams' 1-on-1 defense was a great luxury (e.g. Jimmer - shot 36% in the two games Pooh guarded him).



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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by aggies22 » November 26th, 2019, 1:40 pm

brownjeans wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:08 pm
If Marco Anthony is an elite perimeter defender, I'm excited to have him.
Pooh Williams' 1-on-1 defense was a great luxury (e.g. Jimmer - shot 36% in the two games Pooh guarded him).
From what I understand, Anthony is the best defender on the team.
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by 2004AG » November 26th, 2019, 1:42 pm

Pacobag wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 12:10 pm
Ok ignore the semantics of "PG"....

Here is an alternative description:
Quick defender (one that can stay with P5 athletic guards)
Solid handles (capable of dribbling without turning the ball over when intense 1-on-1 pressure is applied by elite defenders)
Capable of breaking down defenses with dribble penetration (can beat most defenders to the hole and finish or dish)
Capable of hitting an open shot at a reasonable clip to keep defenses honest when the ball is not in his hands

Can we make do without a player as described, of course. Is our primary goal to be competitive in the MW or make a run in the Dance? Do we need at least one player like the one I described to become elite? Maybe, maybe not but I would like to have one considering we have 13 scholarships.
Thank you. EXACTLY. That's all anybody is saying. You all are getting caught up on calling it a PG. Call it whatever you want. We need a player with certain skills that are "usually" attributed" to a PG.



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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by treesap32 » November 26th, 2019, 1:55 pm

So we can't say PG now?



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Post by 2004AG » November 26th, 2019, 2:05 pm

treesap32 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:55 pm
So we can't say PG now?
No. Not unless you want to get yelled at. Just call it a player with quickness, good dribbles, speed, good passer, penetrator, good with the ball, and good decision making ability.



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Post by dogie » November 26th, 2019, 2:11 pm

aggies22 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:40 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:08 pm
If Marco Anthony is an elite perimeter defender, I'm excited to have him.
Pooh Williams' 1-on-1 defense was a great luxury (e.g. Jimmer - shot 36% in the two games Pooh guarded him).
From what I understand, Anthony is the best defender on the team.
That’s what I have heard too. I was told that he gives fits to Merrill when guarding him at practice, which has been a good thing for the team.



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Post by tjensen_25 » November 26th, 2019, 2:24 pm

2004AG wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 2:05 pm
treesap32 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:55 pm
So we can't say PG now?
No. Not unless you want to get yelled at. Just call it a player with quickness, good dribbles, speed, good passer, penetrator, good with the ball, and good decision making ability.
Can we call them an athletic combo guard that can run the point?



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Post by Real Life Aggie » November 26th, 2019, 2:33 pm

brownjeans wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:08 pm
If Marco Anthony is an elite perimeter defender, I'm excited to have him.
Pooh Williams' 1-on-1 defense was a great luxury (e.g. Jimmer - shot 36% in the two games Pooh guarded him).
Pooh Williams was a very earnest player. It seemed like I explained to someone new at each game that we weren't booing him, we were saying his name.
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by aggies22 » November 26th, 2019, 2:37 pm

Real Life Aggie wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 2:33 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:08 pm
If Marco Anthony is an elite perimeter defender, I'm excited to have him.
Pooh Williams' 1-on-1 defense was a great luxury (e.g. Jimmer - shot 36% in the two games Pooh guarded him).
Pooh Williams was a very earnest player. It seemed like I explained to someone new at each game that we weren't booing him, we were saying his name.
Now tell me. Did you use the word "earnest" because that is Pooh's given name?



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Post by brownjeans » November 26th, 2019, 2:39 pm

tjensen_25 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 2:24 pm
2004AG wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 2:05 pm
treesap32 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:55 pm
So we can't say PG now?
No. Not unless you want to get yelled at. Just call it a player with quickness, good dribbles, speed, good passer, penetrator, good with the ball, and good decision making ability.
Can we call them an athletic combo guard that can run the point?
There is no point, that's the point. Look at the team now. How many guys on the team bring the ball up the floor? How many guys on the team drive and pass? Not one of them is THE guy who dribbles and passes the ball.
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Post by aggies22 » November 26th, 2019, 2:43 pm

dogie wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 2:11 pm
aggies22 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:40 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:08 pm
If Marco Anthony is an elite perimeter defender, I'm excited to have him.
Pooh Williams' 1-on-1 defense was a great luxury (e.g. Jimmer - shot 36% in the two games Pooh guarded him).
From what I understand, Anthony is the best defender on the team.
That’s what I have heard too. I was told that he gives fits to Merrill when guarding him at practice, which has been a good thing for the team.
True. Every time the guy's scrimmage, Marco yells out, "I got Merrill!"



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Post by brownjeans » November 26th, 2019, 2:55 pm

It's not just semantics, it's a concept.

The team does THE job, not a player doing HIS job. Take special forces teams as an example. Special forces train so that every man can step in and do the job of each team member if one of them goes down. They strive to be cross-functional, interchangeable. Sure some guys are best at certain things, but others can do the job. This makes them harder to defeat.
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Post by Real Life Aggie » November 26th, 2019, 3:05 pm

I have a fun story about Pooh Williams.

My family and extended family on my dad's side are all Aggies. It's a long tradition. In fact, a cousin (a couple of generations up) was AD when the Spectrum was built. As part of family tradition, we almost always went to the tournaments. I remember the Big West games in Anaheim being one of my favorite trips of the year. This continued when we joined the WAC.

Fast forward to 2009, WAC tournament in Reno. My cousin and I drove up Thursday night (missing the first game) to meet our parents and our grandma/grandpa at our hotel. The lot of them had arrived the previous day and had actually made it to the first game. Thursday morning, prior to the game, our parents/grandparents had gone to a breakfast buffet and ran into the basketball team. My grandpa loved to chat with people, so he heads on over and started talking to them all. He did this everywhere: grocery stores, breakfast buffets, even foreign countries.

Unfortunately, about a decade previous, my grandpa had been in an industrial accident. He had a couple of plates and 16 screws in his face, one eye was glued shut, and he was really hard to understand when he spoke. And there he was, yammering away to the men's basketball team about the tournament, and basketball, and everything else. Gary Wilkinson was a senior, and G-Money (as my cousin and I referred to him) didn't understand a single word. In fact, apparently nobody did. Except for Pooh. So, Pooh translated everything my grandpa was saying for the team.
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by Real Life Aggie » November 26th, 2019, 3:06 pm

aggies22 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 2:37 pm
Real Life Aggie wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 2:33 pm
brownjeans wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 1:08 pm
If Marco Anthony is an elite perimeter defender, I'm excited to have him.
Pooh Williams' 1-on-1 defense was a great luxury (e.g. Jimmer - shot 36% in the two games Pooh guarded him).
Pooh Williams was a very earnest player. It seemed like I explained to someone new at each game that we weren't booing him, we were saying his name.
Now tell me. Did you use the word "earnest" because that is Pooh's given name?
I sure did.



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Post by treesap32 » November 26th, 2019, 3:28 pm

OK fine I won't say PG anymore. Do I need to remove it from all the rosters on USUStats.com too?

Sorry if I offended anyone. Apparently I've been living in the past.



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Post by brownjeans » November 26th, 2019, 4:10 pm

treesap32 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 3:28 pm
OK fine I won't say PG anymore. Do I need to remove it from all the rosters on USUStats.com too?

Sorry if I offended anyone. Apparently I've been living in the past.
Say PG all you want, just don't expect USU to have one while Smith is coach.
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Re: Confirmed: Aircraft Carrier Commits to USU

Post by Yossarian » November 26th, 2019, 4:22 pm

treesap32 wrote:
November 26th, 2019, 3:28 pm
OK fine I won't say PG anymore. Do I need to remove it from all the rosters on USUStats.com too?

Sorry if I offended anyone. Apparently I've been living in the past.

It's a strong point of personal preference. Don't use traditional, binary, gender specific pronouns, and don't use traditional skill set-specific position descriptions when speaking or writing. It's just common sense, man.

In the words of Richard Vernon, "I expected more from a varsity letterman!"



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