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What even was the point
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What even was the point
I have not been following all the tiny details of this Kerfuffle but I was talking with my wife and trying to explain the timeline of the problems and the hiring of the new coach and we don't get why this even happened. From the interviews it is clear that the school was in process of negotiating and completing the hiring since at least Monday and had completed all the interviews by the previous weekend. A decision must have already been made if Pres. Cockette was making comments on why Maile would not be hired in a zoom meeting on Tuesday or Wednesday. She would have already been updated on the process and approved the hiring before the offer is official.... Unless I am missing something.
What was the point of meeting with the team other than to just claim they got input as a warm fuzzy for the process? The claim is that they were wanting input from the players but that makes no sense so late in the process. From what I can tell there wasn't really any legitimate point to the meeting. Like an HOA meeting where the HOA board is asking for input on a raise of fees that already approved.
Did Cockette and Hartwell think the players would come in requesting a total change in coaching staff after all the time and effort and relationships with the current staff and validate their decision?
What am I missing because the more I think about it the meeting was just a dumb idea guaranteed to backfire.
What was the point of meeting with the team other than to just claim they got input as a warm fuzzy for the process? The claim is that they were wanting input from the players but that makes no sense so late in the process. From what I can tell there wasn't really any legitimate point to the meeting. Like an HOA meeting where the HOA board is asking for input on a raise of fees that already approved.
Did Cockette and Hartwell think the players would come in requesting a total change in coaching staff after all the time and effort and relationships with the current staff and validate their decision?
What am I missing because the more I think about it the meeting was just a dumb idea guaranteed to backfire.
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Re: What even was the point
Wise words.
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Re: What even was the point
You are spot on. It was just show business, prosecuting a useful fiction of effective player input. I have been on such "advisory panels" many times in my life, as well as being part of actual decision making. Once you've been on both the difference is obvious, and you are quite astute in pointing this out. Well friggin done.AgSpaceCase wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 12:58 pmI have not been following all the tiny details of this Kerfuffle but I was talking with my wife and trying to explain the timeline of the problems and the hiring of the new coach and we don't get why this even happened. From the interviews it is clear that the school was in process of negotiating and completing the hiring since at least Monday and had completed all the interviews by the previous weekend. A decision must have already been made if Pres. Cockette was making comments on why Maile would not be hired in a zoom meeting on Tuesday or Wednesday. She would have already been updated on the process and approved the hiring before the offer is official.... Unless I am missing something.
What was the point of meeting with the team other than to just claim they got input as a warm fuzzy for the process? The claim is that they were wanting input from the players but that makes no sense so late in the process. From what I can tell there wasn't really any legitimate point to the meeting. Like an HOA meeting where the HOA board is asking for input on a raise of fees that already approved.
Did Cockette and Hartwell think the players would come in requesting a total change in coaching staff after all the time and effort and relationships with the current staff and validate their decision?
What am I missing because the more I think about it the meeting was just a dumb idea guaranteed to backfire.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: What even was the point
The football leadership council initiated the meeting.AgSpaceCase wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 12:58 pmWhat was the point of meeting with the team other than to just claim they got input as a warm fuzzy for the process? The claim is that they were wanting input from the players but that makes no sense so late in the process. From what I can tell there wasn't really any legitimate point to the meeting. Like an HOA meeting where the HOA board is asking for input on a raise of fees that already approved.
Did Cockette and Hartwell think the players would come in requesting a total change in coaching staff after all the time and effort and relationships with the current staff and validate their decision?
What am I missing because the more I think about it the meeting was just a dumb idea guaranteed to backfire.
I don't want to speak for Cockett and Hartwell on why they agreed to the meeting. That said, Hartwell is generally pretty open to meeting with student athletes.
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Re: What even was the point
I'd really like to know who on the leadership council is comprised of on our team.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: What even was the point
The team has leadership?
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: What even was the point
I think the leadership council has torpedoed any chance of future “input” meetings with the administration.
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Re: What even was the point
I think it was in the Brennan McFadden post on Facebook that the "leadership council" consists of 20-30 players, so it might be better to ask who is not on the leadership council.
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Re: What even was the point
If Brennan McFadden is believed then Maile either lied or was lied to by his source. McFadden's claim was that it was that
1. Maile was discriminated for being Utahn
2. Maile was discriminated against for being LDS.
Maile's claim was that he was told he was discriminated against for being Poly.
Several things can be true at once, I'm just more skeptical of McFadden in that he seems far removed- and it seems odd that either he (or his source) would leave racial discrimination out of the claim.
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Re: What even was the point
There were other mormon candidates that were interviewed.garyismyhomeboy wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 8:16 pmAnd we wonder why the other mo mo candidates weren’t interviewed
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Like the Bougar douche, for example.GeoAg wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 8:25 pmThere were other mormon candidates that were interviewed.garyismyhomeboy wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 8:16 pmAnd we wonder why the other mo mo candidates weren’t interviewed
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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I actually don't think they are LDSUSU78 wrote:Like the Bougar douche, for example.GeoAg wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 8:25 pmThere were other mormon candidates that were interviewed.garyismyhomeboy wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 8:16 pmAnd we wonder why the other mo mo candidates weren’t interviewed
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Re: What even was the point
Grimes is not LDS. Maybe Jay Hill was never seriously looked at due to his religion.
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Re: What even was the point
Hiring a HC should be an attempt to fill a long-term position, say minimum 5 years. There is no reason to consult the players; they are the variable in the equation. Some will stay, some will transfer, but eventually all of them will be gone within the next few years, replaced by the next crop of players. And so on.
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Grimes may not be, but he stinketh of Bougar.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: What even was the point
Floppy Hat wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 1:15 pmThe football leadership council initiated the meetingAgSpaceCase wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 12:58 pmWhat was the point of meeting with the team other than to just claim they got input as a warm fuzzy for the process? The claim is that they were wanting input from the players but that makes no sense so late in the process. From what I can tell there wasn't really any legitimate point to the meeting. Like an HOA meeting where the HOA board is asking for input on a raise of fees that already approved.
Did Cockette and Hartwell think the players would come in requesting a total change in coaching staff after all the time and effort and relationships with the current staff and validate their decision?
What am I missing because the more I think about it the meeting was just a dumb idea guaranteed to backfire.
A set up??
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Re: What even was the point
Chatman wrote: ↑December 16th, 2020, 10:38 amI think likelyFloppy Hat wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 1:15 pmThe football leadership council initiated the meetingAgSpaceCase wrote: ↑December 15th, 2020, 12:58 pmWhat was the point of meeting with the team other than to just claim they got input as a warm fuzzy for the process? The claim is that they were wanting input from the players but that makes no sense so late in the process. From what I can tell there wasn't really any legitimate point to the meeting. Like an HOA meeting where the HOA board is asking for input on a raise of fees that already approved.
Did Cockette and Hartwell think the players would come in requesting a total change in coaching staff after all the time and effort and relationships with the current staff and validate their decision?
What am I missing because the more I think about it the meeting was just a dumb idea guaranteed to backfire.
A set up??
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.