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Why Utah, not yBu is USU's Institutional Enemy

Post by USU78 » May 16th, 2019, 2:14 pm

From USU's official website:
1907 Fearing that the growth of the UAC will hinder the University of Utah's progress, legislators in Salt Lake City attempt to consolidate the two schools, and upon failing, instead pass a bill limiting UAC's curriculum to agriculture, domestic science, and mechanic arts. Many once-thriving programs in the arts, humanities, education, and others are closed, despite the college's initial mandate that it offer such instruction. By 1927, all curricular restrictions except law and medicine are lifted.
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Things haven't ever changed. A good argument can be made that the pukes' mission statement can be reduced to two words: Screw USU.
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Post by ViAggie » May 16th, 2019, 5:15 pm

YEP
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Post by usublue20 » May 16th, 2019, 5:29 pm

Maybe it’s because the Ewe is not filled with a bunch of whiny self righteous A holes.

Oh wait

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Post by UStateTim » May 16th, 2019, 7:16 pm

I've always put it this way: I hate BYU fans (even though Ute fans are getting worse every year), and Utah's administration equally.
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Post by dyedblue » May 16th, 2019, 7:51 pm

I can't stand either one of them.


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Post by gomretat » May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm

Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.



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Re: Why Utah, not yBu is USU's Institutional Enemy

Post by LKGates » May 17th, 2019, 12:19 am

UStateTim wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 7:16 pm
I've always put it this way: I hate BYU fans (even though Ute fans are getting worse every year), and Utah's administration equally.
This pretty much sums it up. The people at BYU are insufferable. But for most of the last 50 years, institutionally, the U has done far more to hurt Utah State.

A pox on both their houses.
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Post by LKGates » May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am

gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
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Re: Why Utah, not yBu is USU's Institutional Enemy

Post by gomretat » May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am

LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.



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Post by oleblu111 » May 17th, 2019, 8:40 am

gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am
LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.
That is true, however they also have nothing to gain by playing YBU or Wyoming in football, but in Utah the one they are forced to play is YBU.

The series with USU got changed after the 2012 loss in Logan, that speaks volumes of what they are all about. That would be like USU dumping Weber in basketball if we lost 3 in a row
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Post by gomretat » May 17th, 2019, 8:52 am

I think they have reasons why they need to play BYU which is clear. They will always have filler teams like Wyoming that are needed to fill their schedule. The difference is there is much more to lose by playing us that the Wyomings of the world.



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Post by oleblu111 » May 17th, 2019, 8:55 am

gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 8:52 am
I think they have reasons why they need to play BYU which is clear. They will always have filler teams like Wyoming that are needed to fill their schedule. The difference is there is much more to lose by playing us that the Wyomings of the world.
That is correct, and that is why they are cowards, and get little respect from me.
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Post by Aggie84025 » May 17th, 2019, 9:05 am

I can somewhat understand the argument of not wanting to play us in football although when they scheduled San Jose and Northern Illinois to home-and-home that kind of threw that out the window. What I cannot understand and is unforgivable is why they would not schedule home-and-home in basketball they play so many games in basketball playing US every year in basketball will not hurt their schedule.



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Re: Why Utah, not yBu is USU's Institutional Enemy

Post by mcaggie1 » May 17th, 2019, 9:14 am

gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am
LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.
Is that why they want to play SJS home and home? Ridiculous! If you have nothing against the Utes, I suspect you are a closet Ute fan. No good self respecting Aggie should want anything to do with those pompous creeps, given what they have done to us over the years, and continue to do so,IMO.
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Re: Why Utah, not yBu is USU's Institutional Enemy

Post by justinmorrey » May 17th, 2019, 9:46 am

Since leaving Utah almost a decade ago, I have softened on BYU compared to Utah. Still don’t like BYU but Utah is clearly the bigger enemy to USU I’m my view.
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Re: Why Utah, not yBu is USU's Institutional Enemy

Post by mcaggie1 » May 17th, 2019, 12:30 pm

justinmorrey wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 9:46 am
Since leaving Utah almost a decade ago, I have softened on BYU compared to Utah. Still don’t like BYU but Utah is clearly the bigger enemy to USU I’m my view.
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Post by JSHarvey » May 18th, 2019, 4:47 pm

U of U is a threat from a fiscal and legislative perspective (and is now irrelevant from a sports perspective as they will never play us again). BYU is a threat on the conference and sports side.

Both have cost USU dearly over many many decades.
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Post by USU78 » May 18th, 2019, 5:40 pm

gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am
LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.
Oh, wahhh. The poor babies.
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Post by LKGates » May 18th, 2019, 8:25 pm

gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am
LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.
So what. The same could be said of several same state pairings; Oregon / Oregon State, Michigan / Michigan State, Washington / Washington State, North Carolina / North Carolina State. You can argue that those teams are in the same conference, but what about Texas / Texas A&M, Florida / Florida State, Iowa / Iowa State? The fact is, with in state rivalries, the relationship is never completely equal, and one school always has "nothing to gain" by playing the historically weaker program. Does that mean the rivalry should just be dead and buried? I would hope not. It is a travesty that the Utes killed one of the longest running in state rivalry series in the nation. I hope one day, with the continued decline of BYU and rise of Utah State, the fans, media, and perhaps the legislature will force the issue in Utah.

Cowardly, perfidious Utes!
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Post by blueaggie » May 18th, 2019, 9:22 pm

It will be interesting to hear GA's thoughts on the Utes not willing to play the Aggies. :utah: :state:



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Post by swordsman1989 » Yesterday, 2:50 am

LKGates wrote:
May 18th, 2019, 8:25 pm
gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am
LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.
So what. The same could be said of several same state pairings; Oregon / Oregon State, Michigan / Michigan State, Washington / Washington State, North Carolina / North Carolina State. You can argue that those teams are in the same conference, but what about Texas / Texas A&M, Florida / Florida State, Iowa / Iowa State? The fact is, with in state rivalries, the relationship is never completely equal, and one school always has "nothing to gain" by playing the historically weaker program. Does that mean the rivalry should just be dead and buried? I would hope not. It is a travesty that the Utes killed one of the longest running in state rivalry series in the nation. I hope one day, with the continued decline of BYU and rise of Utah State, the fans, media, and perhaps the legislature will force the issue in Utah.

Cowardly, perfidious Utes!
Texas and Texas A&M no longer play each other. Texas initially canceled the series after A&M left the Big-12 for the SEC. Recently Texas reached out to A&M for a short series in the early 2020s, but A&M said no.

Georgia and Georgia Tech also play every year and are in different conferences.

I do think if USU were in a P5 conference, say the Big-12, you'd see USU play Utah every year.



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Post by thegreendalegelf » Yesterday, 9:43 am

swordsman1989 wrote:
Yesterday, 2:50 am
LKGates wrote:
May 18th, 2019, 8:25 pm
gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am
LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.
So what. The same could be said of several same state pairings; Oregon / Oregon State, Michigan / Michigan State, Washington / Washington State, North Carolina / North Carolina State. You can argue that those teams are in the same conference, but what about Texas / Texas A&M, Florida / Florida State, Iowa / Iowa State? The fact is, with in state rivalries, the relationship is never completely equal, and one school always has "nothing to gain" by playing the historically weaker program. Does that mean the rivalry should just be dead and buried? I would hope not. It is a travesty that the Utes killed one of the longest running in state rivalry series in the nation. I hope one day, with the continued decline of BYU and rise of Utah State, the fans, media, and perhaps the legislature will force the issue in Utah.

Cowardly, perfidious Utes!
Texas and Texas A&M no longer play each other. Texas initially canceled the series after A&M left the Big-12 for the SEC. Recently Texas reached out to A&M for a short series in the early 2020s, but A&M said no.

Georgia and Georgia Tech also play every year and are in different conferences.

I do think if USU were in a P5 conference, say the Big-12, you'd see USU play Utah every year.
Utah doesn't feel like they need to play us to claim superiority. If we were P5, they would have to prove that they were better. Right now the nation sees Utah above USU, they put that on the line by playing us.

Imagine if Weber State beat us, then played us down to the wire the next two times we played them. Then Weber says, we want to play yearly. People here would call for playing SUU, Dixie State, Idaho State or other FCS teams.



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thegreendalegelf wrote:
Yesterday, 9:43 am
swordsman1989 wrote:
Yesterday, 2:50 am
LKGates wrote:
May 18th, 2019, 8:25 pm
gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am
LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.
So what. The same could be said of several same state pairings; Oregon / Oregon State, Michigan / Michigan State, Washington / Washington State, North Carolina / North Carolina State. You can argue that those teams are in the same conference, but what about Texas / Texas A&M, Florida / Florida State, Iowa / Iowa State? The fact is, with in state rivalries, the relationship is never completely equal, and one school always has "nothing to gain" by playing the historically weaker program. Does that mean the rivalry should just be dead and buried? I would hope not. It is a travesty that the Utes killed one of the longest running in state rivalry series in the nation. I hope one day, with the continued decline of BYU and rise of Utah State, the fans, media, and perhaps the legislature will force the issue in Utah.

Cowardly, perfidious Utes!
Texas and Texas A&M no longer play each other. Texas initially canceled the series after A&M left the Big-12 for the SEC. Recently Texas reached out to A&M for a short series in the early 2020s, but A&M said no.

Georgia and Georgia Tech also play every year and are in different conferences.

I do think if USU were in a P5 conference, say the Big-12, you'd see USU play Utah every year.
Utah doesn't feel like they need to play us to claim superiority. If we were P5, they would have to prove that they were better. Right now the nation sees Utah above USU, they put that on the line by playing us.

Imagine if Weber State beat us, then played us down to the wire the next two times we played them. Then Weber says, we want to play yearly. People here would call for playing SUU, Dixie State, Idaho State or other FCS teams.
1892 through 2009. That is how long USU and Utah played, pretty much annually. Over 100 games. That's a rare thing. To compare the ephemeral Weebe series to our series with the pukes is irrational.


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thegreendalegelf wrote:
Yesterday, 9:43 am
swordsman1989 wrote:
Yesterday, 2:50 am
LKGates wrote:
May 18th, 2019, 8:25 pm
gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am
LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.
So what. The same could be said of several same state pairings; Oregon / Oregon State, Michigan / Michigan State, Washington / Washington State, North Carolina / North Carolina State. You can argue that those teams are in the same conference, but what about Texas / Texas A&M, Florida / Florida State, Iowa / Iowa State? The fact is, with in state rivalries, the relationship is never completely equal, and one school always has "nothing to gain" by playing the historically weaker program. Does that mean the rivalry should just be dead and buried? I would hope not. It is a travesty that the Utes killed one of the longest running in state rivalry series in the nation. I hope one day, with the continued decline of BYU and rise of Utah State, the fans, media, and perhaps the legislature will force the issue in Utah.

Cowardly, perfidious Utes!
Texas and Texas A&M no longer play each other. Texas initially canceled the series after A&M left the Big-12 for the SEC. Recently Texas reached out to A&M for a short series in the early 2020s, but A&M said no.

Georgia and Georgia Tech also play every year and are in different conferences.

I do think if USU were in a P5 conference, say the Big-12, you'd see USU play Utah every year.
Utah doesn't feel like they need to play us to claim superiority. If we were P5, they would have to prove that they were better. Right now the nation sees Utah above USU, they put that on the line by playing us.

Imagine if Weber State beat us, then played us down to the wire the next two times we played them. Then Weber says, we want to play yearly. People here would call for playing SUU, Dixie State, Idaho State or other FCS teams.
Of course Weber did beat us in football, yet the series continued, if we did as the ewe did we would have dropped them, in both football and basketball. Weber has told us that they wanted to not play us as often in football that is why they are not on the schedule.

LaDell Anderson has been very outspoken about the damage done to USU by the Utes, he should know as he was a coach at Utah, BYU, and USU, as well as the A.D. at USU. They also tried to drop BYU but where stopped by state government.



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Re: Why Utah, not yBu is USU's Institutional Enemy

Post by 2004AG » Yesterday, 11:03 am

thegreendalegelf wrote:
swordsman1989 wrote:
Yesterday, 2:50 am
LKGates wrote:
May 18th, 2019, 8:25 pm
gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am
LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.
So what. The same could be said of several same state pairings; Oregon / Oregon State, Michigan / Michigan State, Washington / Washington State, North Carolina / North Carolina State. You can argue that those teams are in the same conference, but what about Texas / Texas A&M, Florida / Florida State, Iowa / Iowa State? The fact is, with in state rivalries, the relationship is never completely equal, and one school always has "nothing to gain" by playing the historically weaker program. Does that mean the rivalry should just be dead and buried? I would hope not. It is a travesty that the Utes killed one of the longest running in state rivalry series in the nation. I hope one day, with the continued decline of BYU and rise of Utah State, the fans, media, and perhaps the legislature will force the issue in Utah.

Cowardly, perfidious Utes!
Texas and Texas A&M no longer play each other. Texas initially canceled the series after A&M left the Big-12 for the SEC. Recently Texas reached out to A&M for a short series in the early 2020s, but A&M said no.

Georgia and Georgia Tech also play every year and are in different conferences.

I do think if USU were in a P5 conference, say the Big-12, you'd see USU play Utah every year.
Utah doesn't feel like they need to play us to claim superiority. If we were P5, they would have to prove that they were better. Right now the nation sees Utah above USU, they put that on the line by playing us.

Imagine if Weber State beat us, then played us down to the wire the next two times we played them. Then Weber says, we want to play yearly. People here would call for playing SUU, Dixie State, Idaho State or other FCS teams.
That’s not a good analogy. Weber State and Utah State don’t play in the same division.


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2004AG wrote:
Yesterday, 11:03 am
thegreendalegelf wrote:
swordsman1989 wrote:
Yesterday, 2:50 am
LKGates wrote:
May 18th, 2019, 8:25 pm
gomretat wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 7:52 am
LKGates wrote:
May 17th, 2019, 12:22 am
gomretat wrote:
May 16th, 2019, 10:22 pm
Somehow I am over what happened in 1907. Have no problem with the Utes and no use for BYU.
Yeah, it didn't stop in 1907. In 1960 they destroyed the Skyline Conference, and cut Utah State out of the WAC. They consistently blocked our entry to the WAC/MWC until they left for the PAC. Now, they won't play us. And those are the things that are in plain sight.
They Utes have nothing to gain by playing us. We may not like that but it is true.
So what. The same could be said of several same state pairings; Oregon / Oregon State, Michigan / Michigan State, Washington / Washington State, North Carolina / North Carolina State. You can argue that those teams are in the same conference, but what about Texas / Texas A&M, Florida / Florida State, Iowa / Iowa State? The fact is, with in state rivalries, the relationship is never completely equal, and one school always has "nothing to gain" by playing the historically weaker program. Does that mean the rivalry should just be dead and buried? I would hope not. It is a travesty that the Utes killed one of the longest running in state rivalry series in the nation. I hope one day, with the continued decline of BYU and rise of Utah State, the fans, media, and perhaps the legislature will force the issue in Utah.

Cowardly, perfidious Utes!
Texas and Texas A&M no longer play each other. Texas initially canceled the series after A&M left the Big-12 for the SEC. Recently Texas reached out to A&M for a short series in the early 2020s, but A&M said no.

Georgia and Georgia Tech also play every year and are in different conferences.

I do think if USU were in a P5 conference, say the Big-12, you'd see USU play Utah every year.
Utah doesn't feel like they need to play us to claim superiority. If we were P5, they would have to prove that they were better. Right now the nation sees Utah above USU, they put that on the line by playing us.

Imagine if Weber State beat us, then played us down to the wire the next two times we played them. Then Weber says, we want to play yearly. People here would call for playing SUU, Dixie State, Idaho State or other FCS teams.
That’s not a good analogy. Weber State and Utah State don’t play in the same division.

I believe that if Weber was to beat us, and play us close the next two times I would want to schedule them much more, not drop them.
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