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After the podcast comment that I had made about the fact that I could send several recruits who I am confident that we could develop into some bad dudes. I have decided that I am going to put my money where my mouth is and start this thread that I will continually update with guys that are in my mind (which is perfect and all encompassing), low hanging fruit because we don't necessarily have to compete for them. Most if not all of them will be developmental guys who fit the Aggie culture and are build-able guys. Some will even have obvious deficiencies that will preclude them in many minds from being scholarship worthy! Please feel free to criticize and mock my selections, when you will do I will gladly quote your comment and put you on blast when they pan out! After all it is a free country and criticism is an expectation on a forum such as this. I will also be sending these names and recruiting videos onto the coaches and may occasionally update the thread with there comments and whether or not anything comes from it. Stay tuned!
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This is great, Kyle. Thank you for staying invested in the program. Your contributions are much appreciated around here.
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Collin Larsen
Height - 6'2''
Weight - 250lbs
40 - 4.9
Vert - 28.6''
Bench - 355lbs
Squat - 465lbs
The first comment you will make is undersized. I will agree with you that he is at 6'2''. Who do we remember fondly who played the position at that height? Jamie Markosian 6'2'' 290lbs. Ask yourself if his height ever limited him or prevented him from becoming an all-conference player? Ask yourself if height ever got in the way of him handling his business against a top 5 draft pick in Star Loutulelei who had virtually no impact his last year in Logan when they were matched up head to head from start to finish. While the height is not ideal, the pedigree cannot be argued. Brother of Tyler Larsen (who we know did some serious work for the Aggies over the course of 4 years) are a lot the same. This is a young man who is currently being overlooked by division 1 programs and is about to obtain offers (but has not as of yet) from SUU and a few other D1AA schools.
Film: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3184797/collin-larsen
Con's
1. Height - 6'2'' and probably not getting any taller. While height does matter, it is not a "deal breaker" for an interior lineman.
2. Weight - While he is only 250lbs now, this is something that will change in the first 6 months of his participation in Coach Dave's Program.
3. First Step - This is an obvious flaw that can be coached out and will be on day one! Once it is, the only knock you can make is height.
Pro's
1. Violence at the point of attack.
2. Awareness of the second level on double teams.
3. Finish
4. Great Hands
Feedback from his brother Tyler Larsen. "He is getting overlooked just like I did. I have told Coach Wells about him a million times to no avail." In response to asking if Tyler would put his name on him he said, "absolutely he has a great mentality! This off-season he tore his whole knee up and worked his butt off to get back and played well! Yes I would put my name on him, he has the mentality we had, and loves the game of football."
Feedback from his High School Coach. "Collin is a guy with a lot of natural ability. He is overlooked because of his height. He was a leader on our team and was just like you would expect a Larsen to be. He is a hard worker and did more than I ever even thought to ask him to do which is what you want in a guy."
Mock this selection and you have effectively put your name in the running for public shaming when his Aggie career concludes. Mark my words, this is no doubt a young kid who has earned the opportunity and privilege to be an Aggie!
Kyle Whimpey
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Height - 6'2''
Weight - 250lbs
40 - 4.9
Vert - 28.6''
Bench - 355lbs
Squat - 465lbs
The first comment you will make is undersized. I will agree with you that he is at 6'2''. Who do we remember fondly who played the position at that height? Jamie Markosian 6'2'' 290lbs. Ask yourself if his height ever limited him or prevented him from becoming an all-conference player? Ask yourself if height ever got in the way of him handling his business against a top 5 draft pick in Star Loutulelei who had virtually no impact his last year in Logan when they were matched up head to head from start to finish. While the height is not ideal, the pedigree cannot be argued. Brother of Tyler Larsen (who we know did some serious work for the Aggies over the course of 4 years) are a lot the same. This is a young man who is currently being overlooked by division 1 programs and is about to obtain offers (but has not as of yet) from SUU and a few other D1AA schools.
Film: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3184797/collin-larsen
Con's
1. Height - 6'2'' and probably not getting any taller. While height does matter, it is not a "deal breaker" for an interior lineman.
2. Weight - While he is only 250lbs now, this is something that will change in the first 6 months of his participation in Coach Dave's Program.
3. First Step - This is an obvious flaw that can be coached out and will be on day one! Once it is, the only knock you can make is height.
Pro's
1. Violence at the point of attack.
2. Awareness of the second level on double teams.
3. Finish
4. Great Hands
Feedback from his brother Tyler Larsen. "He is getting overlooked just like I did. I have told Coach Wells about him a million times to no avail." In response to asking if Tyler would put his name on him he said, "absolutely he has a great mentality! This off-season he tore his whole knee up and worked his butt off to get back and played well! Yes I would put my name on him, he has the mentality we had, and loves the game of football."
Feedback from his High School Coach. "Collin is a guy with a lot of natural ability. He is overlooked because of his height. He was a leader on our team and was just like you would expect a Larsen to be. He is a hard worker and did more than I ever even thought to ask him to do which is what you want in a guy."
Mock this selection and you have effectively put your name in the running for public shaming when his Aggie career concludes. Mark my words, this is no doubt a young kid who has earned the opportunity and privilege to be an Aggie!
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Re: Recruiting
There's a Soph DT at Box Elder, about 6'4 250, who started at DT this past fall. The last name is Madsen or something like that. Any thoughts on this kid? Very "low hanging fruit" if he's just across the Wellsvilles.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Re: Recruiting
Riley Whimpey
Offers - Bosie State / Status - Committed (Just cause there's a goalie doesn't mean we can't/won't score!)
Height - 6'2''
Weight - 220lbs
"Oh I see whats going on here... He's either got a thing for guys that are 6'2'' or he's got a thing for the brothers of former Aggie Greats! (Kevin Whimpey 1st team All MWC & Tyler Larsen 1st Team All-WAC/MWC)"
I don't have a thing for guys that are 6'2'' so we can knock that off the board right now. I do think that when looking for attitude congruence, the first place you should look, is at little brother of guys who are proven by production! Does that not sound like recruiting 101 to anyone viewing this post? If it doesn't, I kindly hope that the door that hits you in the back on your way out, sends you painfully into a pile of mature cacti (may or may not be kidding)!
With an intimate knowledge of the recruiting process (of which I was apart). I can tell you that Riley felt slighted by the fact that it took the Aggies years to finally decide that he was a fit via scholarship. The number of years it took, would have been fine if their offer beat other schools that had interest. The fact that Boise offered first was almost a nail waiting to be pounded into the coffin and Coach Avalos (Boise's DC) was the hammer that sent it securely into position. Hell it was easy to see why he committed when I met Coach Avalos who is a master cultivator of relationships which honestly, might be the reason they are able to retain Riley even with my pledged onslaught to flip him from a Bronco to an Aggie (that I can assure you will be relentless). While I will be happy to see him in either place, my loyalty to Utah State and my commitment to its resurgence requires my efforts to get him in Logan. Enough with the pleasantries, lets talk about the player.
Film - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4083137/riley-whimpey
Con's
1. Is committed to Boise
2. I don't know that there are any! I have watched several games of his and am his harshest critic. You check tape and tell me if you can find any? I have often spoken to others by way of prophecy that he will no doubt (if healthy) play in the NFL for a long period of time.
Pro's
1. Violent
2. Fast/Quick
3. Recognition and Execution
4. Sure tackler in space
5. Is a wall at the point of attack
6. 4.0 kid who's smarts and instincts carry him on the field
Former Aggie Comparison - Zach Vigil... Call Zach he will gladly offer a loud amen to that comparison if you think that I am off base. From the moment Kevin asked him to view Riley's film the endorsement was offered.
Feedback - A coach on the staff... I asked him the question.... Are you aware of what happened with Riley and his recruitment and why he was offered late? "Yes I am aware but will only say we missed." "He has the mindset that we are looking for and fits the Aggie Defense historical mold." I committed to him that I would wage war and participate in the effort to flip him as I know he as a coach has limitations once a recruit has committed elsewhere.
These are the types of players that it takes to spur on resurgence and sustain control in the MWC! Why do you think teams like Boise remain dominant? Because they offer guys like Riley. If we don't flip him, plan on calling into the post game show (next time we play Boise to talk about the oline and why it seemed like there was no answer for number "9"? followed by the question of... Why is this kid not wearing Aggie Blue isn't his last name Whimpey.
Mock this selection and you have effectively put your name in the running for public shaming when his Aggie career concludes. Mark my words, this is no doubt a young kid who has earned the opportunity and privilege to be an Aggie!
Kyle Whimpey
Utah State Recruiting Specialist
801.636.9164
Offers - Bosie State / Status - Committed (Just cause there's a goalie doesn't mean we can't/won't score!)
Height - 6'2''
Weight - 220lbs
"Oh I see whats going on here... He's either got a thing for guys that are 6'2'' or he's got a thing for the brothers of former Aggie Greats! (Kevin Whimpey 1st team All MWC & Tyler Larsen 1st Team All-WAC/MWC)"
I don't have a thing for guys that are 6'2'' so we can knock that off the board right now. I do think that when looking for attitude congruence, the first place you should look, is at little brother of guys who are proven by production! Does that not sound like recruiting 101 to anyone viewing this post? If it doesn't, I kindly hope that the door that hits you in the back on your way out, sends you painfully into a pile of mature cacti (may or may not be kidding)!
With an intimate knowledge of the recruiting process (of which I was apart). I can tell you that Riley felt slighted by the fact that it took the Aggies years to finally decide that he was a fit via scholarship. The number of years it took, would have been fine if their offer beat other schools that had interest. The fact that Boise offered first was almost a nail waiting to be pounded into the coffin and Coach Avalos (Boise's DC) was the hammer that sent it securely into position. Hell it was easy to see why he committed when I met Coach Avalos who is a master cultivator of relationships which honestly, might be the reason they are able to retain Riley even with my pledged onslaught to flip him from a Bronco to an Aggie (that I can assure you will be relentless). While I will be happy to see him in either place, my loyalty to Utah State and my commitment to its resurgence requires my efforts to get him in Logan. Enough with the pleasantries, lets talk about the player.
Film - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4083137/riley-whimpey
Con's
1. Is committed to Boise
2. I don't know that there are any! I have watched several games of his and am his harshest critic. You check tape and tell me if you can find any? I have often spoken to others by way of prophecy that he will no doubt (if healthy) play in the NFL for a long period of time.
Pro's
1. Violent
2. Fast/Quick
3. Recognition and Execution
4. Sure tackler in space
5. Is a wall at the point of attack
6. 4.0 kid who's smarts and instincts carry him on the field
Former Aggie Comparison - Zach Vigil... Call Zach he will gladly offer a loud amen to that comparison if you think that I am off base. From the moment Kevin asked him to view Riley's film the endorsement was offered.
Feedback - A coach on the staff... I asked him the question.... Are you aware of what happened with Riley and his recruitment and why he was offered late? "Yes I am aware but will only say we missed." "He has the mindset that we are looking for and fits the Aggie Defense historical mold." I committed to him that I would wage war and participate in the effort to flip him as I know he as a coach has limitations once a recruit has committed elsewhere.
These are the types of players that it takes to spur on resurgence and sustain control in the MWC! Why do you think teams like Boise remain dominant? Because they offer guys like Riley. If we don't flip him, plan on calling into the post game show (next time we play Boise to talk about the oline and why it seemed like there was no answer for number "9"? followed by the question of... Why is this kid not wearing Aggie Blue isn't his last name Whimpey.
Mock this selection and you have effectively put your name in the running for public shaming when his Aggie career concludes. Mark my words, this is no doubt a young kid who has earned the opportunity and privilege to be an Aggie!
Kyle Whimpey
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Re: Recruiting
Kyle - You had at the Z. Vigil comment. Any chance whatsoever we can get him to flip?***Kyle Whimpey*** wrote:Riley Whimpey
Offers - Bosie State / Status - Committed (Just cause there's a goalie doesn't mean we can't/won't score!)
Height - 6'2''
Weight - 220lbs
"Oh I see whats going on here... He's either got a thing for guys that are 6'2'' or he's got a thing for the brothers of former Aggie Greats! (Kevin Whimpey 1st team All MWC & Tyler Larsen 1st Team All-WAC/MWC)"
I don't have a thing for guys that are 6'2'' so we can knock that off the board right now. I do think that when looking for attitude congruence, the first place you should look, is at little brother of guys who are proven by production! Does that not sound like recruiting 101 to anyone viewing this post? If it doesn't, I kindly hope that the door that hits you in the back on your way out, sends you painfully into a pile of mature cacti (may or may not be kidding)!
With an intimate knowledge of the recruiting process (of which I was apart). I can tell you that Riley felt slighted by the fact that it took the Aggies years to finally decide that he was a fit via scholarship. The number of years it took, would have been fine if their offer beat other schools that had interest. The fact that Boise offered first was almost a nail waiting to be pounded into the coffin and Coach Avalos (Boise's DC) was the hammer that sent it securely into position. Hell it was easy to see why he committed when I met Coach Avalos who is a master cultivator of relationships which honestly, might be the reason they are able to retain Riley even with my pledged onslaught to flip him from a Bronco to an Aggie (that I can assure you will be relentless). While I will be happy to see him in either place, my loyalty to Utah State and my commitment to its resurgence requires my efforts to get him in Logan. Enough with the pleasantries, lets talk about the player.
Film - http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4083137/riley-whimpey
Con's
1. Is committed to Boise
2. I don't know that there are any! I have watched several games of his and am his harshest critic. You check tape and tell me if you can find any? I have often spoken to others by way of prophecy that he will no doubt (if healthy) play in the NFL for a long period of time.
Pro's
1. Violent
2. Fast/Quick
3. Recognition and Execution
4. Sure tackler in space
5. Is a wall at the point of attack
6. 4.0 kid who's smarts and instincts carry him on the field
Former Aggie Comparison - Zach Vigil... Call Zach he will gladly offer a loud amen to that comparison if you think that I am off base. From the moment Kevin asked him to view Riley's film the endorsement was offered.
Feedback - A coach on the staff... I asked him the question.... Are you aware of what happened with Riley and his recruitment and why he was offered late? "Yes I am aware but will only say we missed." "He has the mindset that we are looking for and fits the Aggie Defense historical mold." I committed to him that I would wage war and participate in the effort to flip him as I know he as a coach has limitations once a recruit has committed elsewhere.
These are the types of players that it takes to spur on resurgence and sustain control in the MWC! Why do you think teams like Boise remain dominant? Because they offer guys like Riley. If we don't flip him, plan on calling into the post game show (next time we play Boise to talk about the oline and why it seemed like there was no answer for number "9"? followed by the question of... Why is this kid not wearing Aggie Blue isn't his last name Whimpey.
Mock this selection and you have effectively put your name in the running for public shaming when his Aggie career concludes. Mark my words, this is no doubt a young kid who has earned the opportunity and privilege to be an Aggie!
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Re: Recruiting
ROTFLMAO. Me!elcheque2 wrote:Can any of you guys hear Kyle's voice while you're reading his posts?
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How can we not even be interested in this kid? I would offer him a scholly right now, especially if his older brother (who is a legend imo) gave him that kind of an endorsement. Plus I love the fact that he seems to have a chip on his shoulder.***Kyle Whimpey*** wrote:Collin Larsen
Height - 6'2''
Weight - 250lbs
40 - 4.9
Vert - 28.6''
Bench - 355lbs
Squat - 465lbs
The first comment you will make is undersized. I will agree with you that he is at 6'2''. Who do we remember fondly who played the position at that height? Jamie Markosian 6'2'' 290lbs. Ask yourself if his height ever limited him or prevented him from becoming an all-conference player? Ask yourself if height ever got in the way of him handling his business against a top 5 draft pick in Star Loutulelei who had virtually no impact his last year in Logan when they were matched up head to head from start to finish. While the height is not ideal, the pedigree cannot be argued. Brother of Tyler Larsen (who we know did some serious work for the Aggies over the course of 4 years) are a lot the same. This is a young man who is currently being overlooked by division 1 programs and is about to obtain offers (but has not as of yet) from SUU and a few other D1AA schools.
Film: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3184797/collin-larsen
Con's
1. Height - 6'2'' and probably not getting any taller. While height does matter, it is not a "deal breaker" for an interior lineman.
2. Weight - While he is only 250lbs now, this is something that will change in the first 6 months of his participation in Coach Dave's Program.
3. First Step - This is an obvious flaw that can be coached out and will be on day one! Once it is, the only knock you can make is height.
Pro's
1. Violence at the point of attack.
2. Awareness of the second level on double teams.
3. Finish
4. Great Hands
Feedback from his brother Tyler Larsen. "He is getting overlooked just like I did. I have told Coach Wells about him a million times to no avail." In response to asking if Tyler would put his name on him he said, "absolutely he has a great mentality! This off-season he tore his whole knee up and worked his butt off to get back and played well! Yes I would put my name on him, he has the mentality we had, and loves the game of football."
Feedback from his High School Coach. "Collin is a guy with a lot of natural ability. He is overlooked because of his height. He was a leader on our team and was just like you would expect a Larsen to be. He is a hard worker and did more than I ever even thought to ask him to do which is what you want in a guy."
Mock this selection and you have effectively put your name in the running for public shaming when his Aggie career concludes. Mark my words, this is no doubt a young kid who has earned the opportunity and privilege to be an Aggie!
Kyle Whimpey
Utah State Recruiting Specialist
801.636.9164
Kyle - You said that you would forward this information to coaches. Can you update us, if we offer/show interest or get feedback from coaches. Thanks again. I eat this stuff up.
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Re: Recruiting
This is why we come to this site. I wish I could say it was me, but I know my abundance of posting hasn't provided anything of substance to this board. I'm good with that.
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Count me in on that! LOL. I love it I love it!elcheque2 wrote:Can any of you guys hear Kyle's voice while you're reading his posts?
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Kyle-
Look up Jase Anderson who plays at at Lehi. He will be a senior next year. Multi-sport athlete. Does the discus and as bball. I really think this is a O-lineman we should be looking at!
Look up Jase Anderson who plays at at Lehi. He will be a senior next year. Multi-sport athlete. Does the discus and as bball. I really think this is a O-lineman we should be looking at!
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Not to cut in on Kyle's thing- I don't know much about how talent is developed, but there is this Landan Thomas kid at my HS alma mater that has been absolutely insane this year. I went back to watch my first game at my HS since I graduated and I was blown away... I don't know much about how people go from HS to college, but if he can do what I saw him do in the game I attended- I think we'd be a step closer to having our old aggies back. (I'd compare him to kerwynn or jojo). If he is any good and it's not just a case of "he's good in hs but won't be in college and everyone can see it but me"- then he'll probably get bigger offers..
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This thread is both fascinating and disheartening. We should be first to offer any in state kid we want to go after, especially brothers of past players. This staff offers in state too late and that is why we don't get the same level of kids in state. It is one advantage that you can give yourself all the time.
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We have abandoned the formula. Not saying it is the only way, but in state, Polynesian, missionaries, and skill kids from Texas, California, and Florida.
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Spot on post. Here's a breakdowndyedblue wrote:We have abandoned the formula. Not saying it is the only way, but in state, Polynesian, missionaries, and skill kids from Texas, California, and Florida.
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'78 the soph you speak of needs to develop some fire in his belly for the game, he needs a killer instinct, but he has all the tools to become great. I think Jordan Watson at Bear River is the real sleeper over the Wellsvilles. He was a late bloomer but is now 6'4" and 220lbs, because he developed so late he lacks some strength, but a college weight program would change that quickly. He has a motor that never quits and has extremely quick hands and feet. The knock on Jordan is that his nose guard and opposite tackle are beasts that ate up blocks allowing Jordan to get one on one matchups, so its unproven how he'd do against consistent double teams. The Watson kid is a guy GA would've gotten to walk-on based on his potential and transformed him into a monster.USU78 wrote:There's a Soph DT at Box Elder, about 6'4 250, who started at DT this past fall. The last name is Madsen or something like that. Any thoughts on this kid? Very "low hanging fruit" if he's just across the Wellsvilles.
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'40, I like the fierceness of this kid. I know it's 3A competition, but he's explosive and has nice upper body strength. Is he an OL possibility? Kinda doubt it, but what do I know. I like him at a non-rush DE spot for the Ags after he puts 50-60 lbs of muscle on.40Aggie wrote:'78 the soph you speak of needs to develop some fire in his belly for the game, he needs a killer instinct, but he has all the tools to become great. I think Jordan Watson at Bear River is the real sleeper over the Wellsvilles. He was a late bloomer but is now 6'4" and 220lbs, because he developed so late he lacks some strength, but a college weight program would change that quickly. He has a motor that never quits and has extremely quick hands and feet. The knock on Jordan is that his nose guard and opposite tackle are beasts that ate up blocks allowing Jordan to get one on one matchups, so its unproven how he'd do against consistent double teams. The Watson kid is a guy GA would've gotten to walk-on based on his potential and transformed him into a monster.USU78 wrote:There's a Soph DT at Box Elder, about 6'4 250, who started at DT this past fall. The last name is Madsen or something like that. Any thoughts on this kid? Very "low hanging fruit" if he's just across the Wellsvilles.
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/2553823/582 ... 15a035e693
Here's the linkie on Madson in Maxpreps: http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/tyson-m ... efault.htm
Sez here 6'5 310. A HS Soph is a soph is a soph. Get him in the weight room for his Jr, So, Fr years, as well as working on explosiveness and maximizing his speed and footwork, and you could have a real specimen on your hands.
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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That also represents less budget to use elsewhere as the 14 scholies replacing that are out of state tuition.Madmartigan wrote:Spot on post. Here's a breakdowndyedblue wrote:We have abandoned the formula. Not saying it is the only way, but in state, Polynesian, missionaries, and skill kids from Texas, California, and Florida.
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I don't want to turn this into a Matt Wells bashing thread, but has anyone really talked to him about getting this program and culture back to its roots and bringing in tough nosed, under-recruited guys with chips on their shoulder? It's great to get the 3 star guys, but the backbone of this program for the past 7 years has been guys like the ones who are mentioned in this thread (Whimpey bros, Larsen bros, Vigils, etc.). Can someone please explain this to MW? Does he just not care?
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I don't think he does. I think he is very "confident" in his abilities and is gonna do things his way.Does he just not care?
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When we do end up hiring a new HC and staff, I hope we just roll with guys who were involved in the 2009-2013 Aggies for better or for worse. Idk if any of those guys are close to being coach material yet (Maile is probably the closest to being a HC-worthy candidate. Maybe Chuckie some day? Whimpey bro, Vigil bro, Doughty, etc?), but screw it let's get that culture back and go to war with that Utah State brand of football.2004AG wrote:I don't think he does. I think he is very "confident" in his abilities and is gonna do things his way.Does he just not care?
We thought Wells would be good because he's an Aggie and was here to help that rise in 2011/12, but man has he turned out to just not give a rats (I can't express myself without swearing) about what GA did to get us where we did in such a short amount of time after years of futility.
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MetsJetsAggies wrote:When we do end up hiring a new HC and staff, I hope we just roll with guys who were involved in the 2009-2013 Aggies for better or for worse. Idk if any of those guys are close to being coach material yet (Maile is probably the closest to being a HC-worthy candidate. Maybe Chuckie some day? Whimpey bro, Vigil bro, Doughty, etc?), but screw it let's get that culture back and go to war with that Utah State brand of football.2004AG wrote:I don't think he does. I think he is very "confident" in his abilities and is gonna do things his way.Does he just not care?
We thought Wells would be good because he's an Aggie and was here to help that rise in 2011/12, but man has he turned out to just not give a rats a** about what GA did to get us where we did in such a short amount of time after years of futility.
Couldn't agree more. Matt Wells should be scouring the state of Utah for players that LOVE playing football and LOVE working hard and HATE losing. I think Gary established the culture that turned the tide. I think Wells was successful initially because of that culture, but the longer he's here, the further away from that culture we are getting and the results are obvious.
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'78 you are correct Watson would be a DTackle/end. I segued from Oline recruiting without making that distinction.USU78 wrote:'40, I like the fierceness of this kid. I know it's 3A competition, but he's explosive and has nice upper body strength. Is he an OL possibility? Kinda doubt it, but what do I know. I like him at a non-rush DE spot for the Ags after he puts 50-60 lbs of muscle on.40Aggie wrote:'78 the soph you speak of needs to develop some fire in his belly for the game, he needs a killer instinct, but he has all the tools to become great. I think Jordan Watson at Bear River is the real sleeper over the Wellsvilles. He was a late bloomer but is now 6'4" and 220lbs, because he developed so late he lacks some strength, but a college weight program would change that quickly. He has a motor that never quits and has extremely quick hands and feet. The knock on Jordan is that his nose guard and opposite tackle are beasts that ate up blocks allowing Jordan to get one on one matchups, so its unproven how he'd do against consistent double teams. The Watson kid is a guy GA would've gotten to walk-on based on his potential and transformed him into a monster.USU78 wrote:There's a Soph DT at Box Elder, about 6'4 250, who started at DT this past fall. The last name is Madsen or something like that. Any thoughts on this kid? Very "low hanging fruit" if he's just across the Wellsvilles.
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Geo mentioned this on the FCP show last night, and I've been thinking the exact same way:2004AG wrote:I don't think he does. I think he is very "confident" in his abilities and is gonna do things his way.Does he just not care?
Maybe it's not so much that he doesn't "care", or that he's so confident in his own abilities, or even so determined to do it "his way"... Maybe he just CAN'T do it GA's way because he...
... lacks the relationship with the Utah HS coaches that GA had
... has yet to 'earn' the trust of the Polynesian community like GA had
... is suspicious of the missionary program and so is unable to make inroads there like GA did.
GA had an awfully charismatic personality, a great way with people, and a LOT of time/experience with the state of Utah and it's quirks and idiosyncrasies. He knew how to navigate those waters because he was one of "us".
MW, and his constantly revolving door of assistants don't have that same luxury. Maybe he's just flat-out getting man-handled on the recruiting trail because of these relative 'handicaps'?
The questions, then, would be: Do we NEED to recreate GA's method in order to be successful here? And if so, do we NEED a HC with strong Utah ties in order to recreate that method? Discuss...
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Thanks for the mention ShowMe. Just one real quick minor correction and an addition.ShowMeAggie wrote:Geo mentioned this on the FCP show last night, and I've been thinking the exact same way:2004AG wrote:I don't think he does. I think he is very "confident" in his abilities and is gonna do things his way.Does he just not care?
Maybe it's not so much that he doesn't "care", or that he's so confident in his own abilities, or even so determined to do it "his way"... Maybe he just CAN'T do it GA's way because he...
... lacks the relationship with the Utah HS coaches that GA had
... has yet to 'earn' the trust of the Polynesian community like GA had
... is suspicious of the missionary program and so is unable to make inroads there like GA did.
GA had an awfully charismatic personality, a great way with people, and a LOT of time/experience with the state of Utah and it's quirks and idiosyncrasies. He knew how to navigate those waters because he was one of "us".
MW, and his constantly revolving door of assistants don't have that same luxury. Maybe he's just flat-out getting man-handled on the recruiting trail because of these relative 'handicaps'?
The questions, then, would be: Do we NEED to recreate GA's method in order to be successful here? And if so, do we NEED a HC with strong Utah ties in order to recreate that method? Discuss...
-I think Wells has done fine with the missionary program and doesn't have an issue there
-After I got off the phone, I wished I had mentioned that while GA's ideas worked, they are by no means the only way to be successful.
I am not sure if Matt can be successful with what GA did, which, I guess was the point of my call. Unfortunately, Matt does no appear to be having much success doing what he is doing, which is the same formula that coach after coach has failed with in Logan...concede the state and recruit almost exclusively out of state, which impacts the local HS relationships negatively and make the in state situation even worse.
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Collin has committed to Southern Utah, where two of his other brothers played. I know this family very well!***Kyle Whimpey*** wrote:Collin Larsen
Height - 6'2''
Weight - 250lbs
40 - 4.9
Vert - 28.6''
Bench - 355lbs
Squat - 465lbs
The first comment you will make is undersized. I will agree with you that he is at 6'2''. Who do we remember fondly who played the position at that height? Jamie Markosian 6'2'' 290lbs. Ask yourself if his height ever limited him or prevented him from becoming an all-conference player? Ask yourself if height ever got in the way of him handling his business against a top 5 draft pick in Star Loutulelei who had virtually no impact his last year in Logan when they were matched up head to head from start to finish. While the height is not ideal, the pedigree cannot be argued. Brother of Tyler Larsen (who we know did some serious work for the Aggies over the course of 4 years) are a lot the same. This is a young man who is currently being overlooked by division 1 programs and is about to obtain offers (but has not as of yet) from SUU and a few other D1AA schools.
Film: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3184797/collin-larsen
Con's
1. Height - 6'2'' and probably not getting any taller. While height does matter, it is not a "deal breaker" for an interior lineman.
2. Weight - While he is only 250lbs now, this is something that will change in the first 6 months of his participation in Coach Dave's Program.
3. First Step - This is an obvious flaw that can be coached out and will be on day one! Once it is, the only knock you can make is height.
Pro's
1. Violence at the point of attack.
2. Awareness of the second level on double teams.
3. Finish
4. Great Hands
Feedback from his brother Tyler Larsen. "He is getting overlooked just like I did. I have told Coach Wells about him a million times to no avail." In response to asking if Tyler would put his name on him he said, "absolutely he has a great mentality! This off-season he tore his whole knee up and worked his butt off to get back and played well! Yes I would put my name on him, he has the mentality we had, and loves the game of football."
Feedback from his High School Coach. "Collin is a guy with a lot of natural ability. He is overlooked because of his height. He was a leader on our team and was just like you would expect a Larsen to be. He is a hard worker and did more than I ever even thought to ask him to do which is what you want in a guy."
Mock this selection and you have effectively put your name in the running for public shaming when his Aggie career concludes. Mark my words, this is no doubt a young kid who has earned the opportunity and privilege to be an Aggie!
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As do I. I spoke with Tyler a few days ago and he said that this was on the horizon but did not say that it had happened yet. Did this happen in the last few days?AggiesForever wrote:Collin has committed to Southern Utah, where two of his other brothers played. I know this family very well!***Kyle Whimpey*** wrote:Collin Larsen
Height - 6'2''
Weight - 250lbs
40 - 4.9
Vert - 28.6''
Bench - 355lbs
Squat - 465lbs
The first comment you will make is undersized. I will agree with you that he is at 6'2''. Who do we remember fondly who played the position at that height? Jamie Markosian 6'2'' 290lbs. Ask yourself if his height ever limited him or prevented him from becoming an all-conference player? Ask yourself if height ever got in the way of him handling his business against a top 5 draft pick in Star Loutulelei who had virtually no impact his last year in Logan when they were matched up head to head from start to finish. While the height is not ideal, the pedigree cannot be argued. Brother of Tyler Larsen (who we know did some serious work for the Aggies over the course of 4 years) are a lot the same. This is a young man who is currently being overlooked by division 1 programs and is about to obtain offers (but has not as of yet) from SUU and a few other D1AA schools.
Film: http://www.hudl.com/athlete/3184797/collin-larsen
Con's
1. Height - 6'2'' and probably not getting any taller. While height does matter, it is not a "deal breaker" for an interior lineman.
2. Weight - While he is only 250lbs now, this is something that will change in the first 6 months of his participation in Coach Dave's Program.
3. First Step - This is an obvious flaw that can be coached out and will be on day one! Once it is, the only knock you can make is height.
Pro's
1. Violence at the point of attack.
2. Awareness of the second level on double teams.
3. Finish
4. Great Hands
Feedback from his brother Tyler Larsen. "He is getting overlooked just like I did. I have told Coach Wells about him a million times to no avail." In response to asking if Tyler would put his name on him he said, "absolutely he has a great mentality! This off-season he tore his whole knee up and worked his butt off to get back and played well! Yes I would put my name on him, he has the mentality we had, and loves the game of football."
Feedback from his High School Coach. "Collin is a guy with a lot of natural ability. He is overlooked because of his height. He was a leader on our team and was just like you would expect a Larsen to be. He is a hard worker and did more than I ever even thought to ask him to do which is what you want in a guy."
Mock this selection and you have effectively put your name in the running for public shaming when his Aggie career concludes. Mark my words, this is no doubt a young kid who has earned the opportunity and privilege to be an Aggie!
Kyle Whimpey
Utah State Recruiting Specialist
801.636.9164
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Kyle I bet it would be more effective if you told coach Wells NOT to recruit these guys because then he will get all indignant and send them offers right away.
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