TheAggie wrote:On third downs, why do we ALWAYS throw the ball short of the first down marker. There were 10 throws on third down, and only ONE was part the mark. Why is that?

AngusAg wrote:There are several reasons, but two that haven't been listed are that is what the defense is allowing; the defense isn't stupid and they know when to bring in reinforcements and when to let you have the underneath stuff. Also, longer routes take longer to develop; time that Myers simply does not have.

AGGZILLA wrote:

AngusAg wrote:There are several reasons, but two that haven't been listed are that is what the defense is allowing; the defense isn't stupid and they know when to bring in reinforcements and when to let you have the underneath stuff. Also, longer routes take longer to develop; time that Myers simply does not have.

Not only does Myers not have that time, especially on 3rd and long situations, but Wells is also playing the odds. He knows that, considering Myers' throwing mechanics, Myers has a greater chance of completing a pass that is closer to the LOS than further away, ergo, we have a greater chance of conversion rate when we have a little dump off to the receiver, who then proceeds to run for the 1st down, rather than Myers throwing beyond the sticks. Another situation that used to drive me nuts was on 2nd down and long situations, why Wells insists, at least the majority of the time, to run the ball and pick up hardly anything at all, rather than throwing the ball, and I think its because, again, he's playing the odds. If its 2nd and 15, we have a greater chance of conversion if its 3rd and 11 or 3rd and 12, instead of 3rd and 15.

Factor in how neutered the offense is under Myers and I think I'm beginning to see exactly how much of the reins' Wells is allowing him to have, which is not much at all.

hickaggie wrote:

AGGZILLA wrote:

AngusAg wrote:There are several reasons, but two that haven't been listed are that is what the defense is allowing; the defense isn't stupid and they know when to bring in reinforcements and when to let you have the underneath stuff. Also, longer routes take longer to develop; time that Myers simply does not have.

Not only does Myers not have that time, especially on 3rd and long situations, but Wells is also playing the odds. He knows that, considering Myers' throwing mechanics, Myers has a greater chance of completing a pass that is closer to the LOS than further away, ergo, we have a greater chance of conversion rate when we have a little dump off to the receiver, who then proceeds to run for the 1st down, rather than Myers throwing beyond the sticks. Another situation that used to drive me nuts was on 2nd down and long situations, why Wells insists, at least the majority of the time, to run the ball and pick up hardly anything at all, rather than throwing the ball, and I think its because, again, he's playing the odds. If its 2nd and 15, we have a greater chance of conversion if its 3rd and 11 or 3rd and 12, instead of 3rd and 15.

Factor in how neutered the offense is under Myers and I think I'm beginning to see exactly how much of the reins' Wells is allowing him to have, which is not much at all.

The 3rd down situation is frustrating but getting there is even worse. With few exceptions Aggie yardage in the passing game has come throwing downfield on 1st and 2nd downs when teams are stacking the box. Instead the Aggies spend first down (backed up 5 yards from the false start if it is after a big gain with flubbed wr screen or missed swing route, 2nd running against a stacked box, and 3rd with Myers trying to find a receiver with the world bearing down on him. The aggies are right to attack downfield and make the other team move people off the line on 1st and 2nd down but they rarely do it.

One major reason as many have pointed out is that Myers, now a junior seems scared #$##$#$__#@$less to audible. Maybe he can't read the D. Maybe he's scared of changing the call. Either way its not working. Matt Wells would be better off to get rid of the WR screen, never run hurry up, and allow a different student to be the offensive play-caller each game by drawing calls out of a hat. At least it might be less predictable.

AGGZILLA wrote:

hickaggie wrote:

AGGZILLA wrote:

AngusAg wrote:There are several reasons, but two that haven't been listed are that is what the defense is allowing; the defense isn't stupid and they know when to bring in reinforcements and when to let you have the underneath stuff. Also, longer routes take longer to develop; time that Myers simply does not have.

Not only does Myers not have that time, especially on 3rd and long situations, but Wells is also playing the odds. He knows that, considering Myers' throwing mechanics, Myers has a greater chance of completing a pass that is closer to the LOS than further away, ergo, we have a greater chance of conversion rate when we have a little dump off to the receiver, who then proceeds to run for the 1st down, rather than Myers throwing beyond the sticks. Another situation that used to drive me nuts was on 2nd down and long situations, why Wells insists, at least the majority of the time, to run the ball and pick up hardly anything at all, rather than throwing the ball, and I think its because, again, he's playing the odds. If its 2nd and 15, we have a greater chance of conversion if its 3rd and 11 or 3rd and 12, instead of 3rd and 15.

Factor in how neutered the offense is under Myers and I think I'm beginning to see exactly how much of the reins' Wells is allowing him to have, which is not much at all.

Did we get a single offensive first down in Boise territory that wasn't followed by a hurry-up false start penalty killing the drive. On one of them Matt actually called a blown up bubble screen. All I could think was maybe Wells is onto something with the false starts. 1st and 15 is better than 2nd and 15 after all.

The 3rd down situation is frustrating but getting there is even worse. With few exceptions Aggie yardage in the passing game has come throwing downfield on 1st and 2nd downs when teams are stacking the box. Instead the Aggies spend first down (backed up 5 yards from the false start if it is after a big gain with flubbed wr screen or missed swing route, 2nd running against a stacked box, and 3rd with Myers trying to find a receiver with the world bearing down on him. The aggies are right to attack downfield and make the other team move people off the line on 1st and 2nd down but they rarely do it.

One major reason as many have pointed out is that Myers, now a junior seems scared #$##$#$__#@$less to audible. Maybe he can't read the D. Maybe he's scared of changing the call. Either way its not working. Matt Wells would be better off to get rid of the WR screen, never run hurry up, and allow a different student to be the offensive play-caller each game by drawing calls out of a hat. At least it might be less predictable.

CK was allowed to audible, and did so frequently, because he was able to read a defense. I don't think I've ever seen Myers audible once.

Fwiw,the hurry up has technically worked a few times this season, such as the long TD run against Arky St that put us up 24-0, but those times have been few and far in between. They seem to be more of drive/momentum killers than anything else and would probably be best to scrap that strategy for another season with different players.

buckfever wrote:Simple. So simple as shown on video mandantotry team review. 5 times receivers slanted too quickly before clearing linebackers. Receiver fault. 6 online gaff giving QB about 3 seconds to dump quick throw. Let's have Matt run the game etc. let Chico run offense
You underestimate him if you think he can't totally make our offense great