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Choo Choo Choo

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Does that mean were going to a New Year's 6 Bowl?

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dyedblue wrote:Does that mean were going to a New Year's 6 Bowl?

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I don't know, GA has been sending me messages through Aerosmith songs

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Very conflicting at this point

Can't Choo choo with out this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hBP15lRprPs

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Unless Matt runs the table, it’s time to bring Gary back. Some of the arguments on this thread are so lame.

1. Gary had a terrible conference to play in so wins were easy. Yes, I agree. That said the MW sucks as well. Outside of SDSU and maybe CSU, this conference sucks as well. Look around. That said Gary was always competitive against the power 5. Texas am, Wisconsin, Auburn, Utah, etc.,,, MAtt Wells can’t even be competitive against Wake and the power 5 kick our (I can't express myself without swearing) each time.
2. Gary only had one good season at Utah State. He took over a awful team and made them competitive each season, made them bowl eligible in his third season and was great his last season.
3. He had really good players. Yes he did... and many he recruited. Chuckie, Kerwynn Williams, Mo Alexander, Bojay, Michael Smith etc were all GA recruits, last time I checked that is part of coaching.

Yes he struggled at Oregon st, who cares. He won here, who else can say that in the last 30 years?

bpd wrote: Yes he struggled at Oregon st, who cares. He won here, who else can say that in the last 30 years?

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Matt Wells can say it...

Gary Andersen winning pct. at USU: .520
Matt Wells winning pct at USU: .525

Gary Andersen vs BYU: 1-3 .250
Matt Wells vs BYU: 2-3 .400

Gary Andersen Bowl Record at USU: 1-1 .500
Matt Wells Bowl Record at USU: 2-1 .667

Not defending Matt Wells after the last two seasons. But officially he is a winner at USU, even more than Andersen.

swordsman1989 wrote:

bpd wrote: Yes he struggled at Oregon st, who cares. He won here, who else can say that in the last 30 years?

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Matt Wells can say it...

Gary Andersen winning pct. at USU: .520
Matt Wells winning pct at USU: .525

Gary Andersen vs BYU: 1-3 .250
Matt Wells vs BYU: 2-3 .400

Gary Andersen Bowl Record at USU: 1-1 .500
Matt Wells Bowl Record at USU: 2-1 .667

Not defending Matt Wells after the last two seasons. But officially he is a winner at USU, even more than Andersen.

This point has been belabored so many times on this forum I'm not sure why it keeps coming up. The total number of wins is almost entirely irrelevant. Gary took one of the worst teams in the country and turned it into one of the best in four years; Wells took one of the best teams in the country and turned it into one of the worst. It's about the trend line and the direction they have taken the team, not about the performance of the teams in the first couple of seasons after inheriting what their predecessors left for them.

The more salient apples-to-apples comparison is what each of them did in their 3rd and 4th seasons as head coaches:

Gary Andersen winning pct. at USU: .692
Matt Wells winning pct at USU: .360

Gary Andersen vs BYU: 0-2 Combined score of 27-33 (-6 differential)
Matt Wells vs BYU: 0-2 - Combined score of 38-79 (-41 differential)
[Why this is a relevant measure of anything in particular is beyond me. BYU is just another opponent as far as I'm concerned. Not special.]

Gary Andersen Bowl Record at USU: 1-1 .500 Combined score of 64-39 (+25 differential)
Matt Wells Bowl Record at USU: 0-1 .000 Combined score of 21-23 (-2 differential)

Additional criteria:
Gary Andersen Conference Record: 11-2/.846
Matt Wells Conference Record: 7/10/.411

Gary Andersen Record Against the Spread as Underdog: 8-0/1.00 (18-4 during 4 years/.818)
Matt Wells Record Against the Spread as Underdog: 3-8/.273 (6-14 during first 4 years/.300)

This last statistic is particularly telling. It reflects that even as Andersen's teams struggled to pick up wins in his first two seasons (two seasons of 4-8), they were competing far better than expected or predicted against their competition (10-4 ATS as underdog in GA's first two seasons). It also reflects that even as Wells teams continued to win in his first two seasons (with the team that Andersen had built), they immediately began to perform significantly worse than expected or predicted against their competition (3-6 ATS as underdog in Wells's first two seasons). While winning and losing certainly matters, as a fan I am almost equally concerned with whether the team actually shows up and competes against the competition. Win or lose, I want to see us put up a fight against the big boys like we did under GA against USC, Auburn, and Wisconsin, rather than what we have seen under Wells in recent years against the likes of Wisconsin, Tennessee, USC, Wake Forest, and Washington and conference blowouts against SD State, Boise St, and Wyoming.

Gary is a fraud and just got exposed. He is one hell of a salesman and that worked with the right coordinators. Sanford and Aranda took that talent and Gary made them believe.

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dyedblue wrote:Gary is a fraud and just got exposed. He is one hell of a salesman and that worked with the right coordinators. Sanford and Aranda took that talent and Gary made them believe.

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Yeah, who wants a head coach who can hire good assistants and then motivate the hell out of the players so that they play beyond their talent level?! No thanks.

Another thing. Without much more effort, we can get this thread to 15 pages.

ChicAggie wrote:Another thing. Without much more effort, we can get this thread to 15 pages.

Heck yes, we can!

ChicAggie wrote:

swordsman1989 wrote:

bpd wrote: Yes he struggled at Oregon st, who cares. He won here, who else can say that in the last 30 years?

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Matt Wells can say it...

Gary Andersen winning pct. at USU: .520
Matt Wells winning pct at USU: .525

Gary Andersen vs BYU: 1-3 .250
Matt Wells vs BYU: 2-3 .400

Gary Andersen Bowl Record at USU: 1-1 .500
Matt Wells Bowl Record at USU: 2-1 .667

Not defending Matt Wells after the last two seasons. But officially he is a winner at USU, even more than Andersen.

This point has been belabored so many times on this forum I'm not sure why it keeps coming up. The total number of wins is almost entirely irrelevant. Gary took one of the worst teams in the country and turned it into one of the best in four years; Wells took one of the best teams in the country and turned it into one of the worst. It's about the trend line and the direction they have taken the team, not about the performance of the teams in the first couple of seasons after inheriting what their predecessors left for them.

The more salient apples-to-apples comparison is what each of them did in their 3rd and 4th seasons as head coaches:

Gary Andersen winning pct. at USU: .692
Matt Wells winning pct at USU: .360

Gary Andersen vs BYU: 0-2 Combined score of 27-33 (-6 differential)
Matt Wells vs BYU: 0-2 - Combined score of 38-79 (-41 differential)
[Why this is a relevant measure of anything in particular is beyond me. BYU is just another opponent as far as I'm concerned. Not special.]

Gary Andersen Bowl Record at USU: 1-1 .500 Combined score of 64-39 (+25 differential)
Matt Wells Bowl Record at USU: 0-1 .000 Combined score of 21-23 (-2 differential)

Additional criteria:
Gary Andersen Conference Record: 11-2/.846
Matt Wells Conference Record: 7/10/.411

Gary Andersen Record Against the Spread as Underdog: 8-0/1.00 (18-4 during 4 years/.818)
Matt Wells Record Against the Spread as Underdog: 3-8/.273 (6-14 during first 4 years/.300)

This last statistic is particularly telling. It reflects that even as Andersen's teams struggled to pick up wins in his first two seasons (two seasons of 4-8), they were competing far better than expected or predicted against their competition (10-4 ATS as underdog in GA's first two seasons). It also reflects that even as Wells teams continued to win in his first two seasons (with the team that Andersen had built), they immediately began to perform significantly worse than expected or predicted against their competition (3-6 ATS as underdog in Wells's first two seasons). While winning and losing certainly matters, as a fan I am almost equally concerned with whether the team actually shows up and competes against the competition. Win or lose, I want to see us put up a fight against the big boys like we did under GA against USC, Auburn, and Wisconsin, rather than what we have seen under Wells in recent years against the likes of Wisconsin, Tennessee, USC, Wake Forest, and Washington and conference blowouts against SD State, Boise St, and Wyoming.

Well aware of all of that, and was not defending Matt Wells at all as evidenced by the statement "Not defending Matt Wells after the last two seasons." I was merely answering the original question about who, other than Gary Andersen, can say they were a winner at USU in the past 30 years. Matt Wells can say that, for now...

swordsman1989 wrote:

ChicAggie wrote:

swordsman1989 wrote:

bpd wrote: Yes he struggled at Oregon st, who cares. He won here, who else can say that in the last 30 years?

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Matt Wells can say it...

Gary Andersen winning pct. at USU: .520
Matt Wells winning pct at USU: .525

Gary Andersen vs BYU: 1-3 .250
Matt Wells vs BYU: 2-3 .400

Gary Andersen Bowl Record at USU: 1-1 .500
Matt Wells Bowl Record at USU: 2-1 .667

Not defending Matt Wells after the last two seasons. But officially he is a winner at USU, even more than Andersen.

This point has been belabored so many times on this forum I'm not sure why it keeps coming up. The total number of wins is almost entirely irrelevant. Gary took one of the worst teams in the country and turned it into one of the best in four years; Wells took one of the best teams in the country and turned it into one of the worst. It's about the trend line and the direction they have taken the team, not about the performance of the teams in the first couple of seasons after inheriting what their predecessors left for them.

The more salient apples-to-apples comparison is what each of them did in their 3rd and 4th seasons as head coaches:

Gary Andersen winning pct. at USU: .692
Matt Wells winning pct at USU: .360

Gary Andersen vs BYU: 0-2 Combined score of 27-33 (-6 differential)
Matt Wells vs BYU: 0-2 - Combined score of 38-79 (-41 differential)
[Why this is a relevant measure of anything in particular is beyond me. BYU is just another opponent as far as I'm concerned. Not special.]

Gary Andersen Bowl Record at USU: 1-1 .500 Combined score of 64-39 (+25 differential)
Matt Wells Bowl Record at USU: 0-1 .000 Combined score of 21-23 (-2 differential)

Additional criteria:
Gary Andersen Conference Record: 11-2/.846
Matt Wells Conference Record: 7/10/.411

Gary Andersen Record Against the Spread as Underdog: 8-0/1.00 (18-4 during 4 years/.818)
Matt Wells Record Against the Spread as Underdog: 3-8/.273 (6-14 during first 4 years/.300)

This last statistic is particularly telling. It reflects that even as Andersen's teams struggled to pick up wins in his first two seasons (two seasons of 4-8), they were competing far better than expected or predicted against their competition (10-4 ATS as underdog in GA's first two seasons). It also reflects that even as Wells teams continued to win in his first two seasons (with the team that Andersen had built), they immediately began to perform significantly worse than expected or predicted against their competition (3-6 ATS as underdog in Wells's first two seasons). While winning and losing certainly matters, as a fan I am almost equally concerned with whether the team actually shows up and competes against the competition. Win or lose, I want to see us put up a fight against the big boys like we did under GA against USC, Auburn, and Wisconsin, rather than what we have seen under Wells in recent years against the likes of Wisconsin, Tennessee, USC, Wake Forest, and Washington and conference blowouts against SD State, Boise St, and Wyoming.

Well aware of all of that, and was not defending Matt Wells at all as evidenced by the statement "Not defending Matt Wells after the last two seasons." I was merely answering the original question about who, other than Gary Andersen, can say they were a winner at USU in the past 30 years. Matt Wells can say that, for now...

Fair enough, but if you weren’t trying to make some broader point about the relative merits between Wells and Andersen, I’m not sure why there were several explicit comparisons. Could have simply said “Wells also has a winning record as an Aggie HC.”


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Can't let this slip too far off the home page . . . .

Gary is the coach this program needs, but not the one it deserves.

ChicAggie wrote:Can't let this slip too far off the home page . . . .

Question - Why the obsession with how long this thread is?

YIPPIE 14 pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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swishh_15 wrote:

ChicAggie wrote:Can't let this slip too far off the home page . . . .

Question - Why the obsession with how long this thread is?

Umm, I don't know. Is this a trick question? Groupthink? Herd/mob mentality? The desire to feel a part of something; to not feel alone in the universe?

swishh_15 wrote:

ChicAggie wrote:Can't let this slip too far off the home page . . . .

Question - Why the obsession with how long this thread is?

Be it fish, penisii, or thread posts, size matters. Anyone who tells you different only gets a reply or two.


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https://youtu.be/8ybCyqvPbjE
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Hello, ceiling - (hello) (hello)
I'm gonna stare at you awhile
You know I can't sleep
So won't you bear with me awhile
We must all stick together or else
I'll lose my mind
I've got a feelin'
[he'll] be gone a long, long time.

Tr0ll wrote:https://youtu.be/8ybCyqvPbjE
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Hello, ceiling - (hello) (hello)
I'm gonna stare at you awhile
You know I can't sleep
So won't you bear with me awhile
We must all stick together or else
I'll lose my mind
I've got a feelin'
[he'll] be gone a long, long time.

Gotta love Feron Young, that Man has an amazing voice.

I cannot determine if this rumor has any validity at all but I heard that a certain DONOR cough cough (Stan Laub) cough wants Gary Anderson back in Logan.

Has anyone else heard this? Just wondering how much truth there might be to it.

His opinion should have Johnny boy's ear much more than any of ours. I for one think it would be worth a shot to bring Gary back. I feel that it is less risk than Jay Hill (Whose team laid an egg against SUU) or any other realistic options we may have. Call me a Gary worshiper if you must but I think it would bring excitement to the program more so than an unproven name no one in the Valley knows about and potentially be more likely that he can win again than someone who may be able to do it a Weber High or elsewhere but hasn't yet done it at Utah State. Too many fails with promising names over the last 30 years to not give the only successful guy another shot. (Not considering Wells successful in this argument purely because of trajectory). People can site Wells bowl record or record against BYU or whatever but what is his conference record after Boise 2015? And how many butts were in the seats against Wyoming on a beautiful afternoon homecoming game vs an arguably better Wyoming team than were in the seats against an arguably worse UNLV team back in 2012?

A couple of things here.

Weber lost their all-everything QB to a concussion so it is no surprise they lost. We had 22k in the stadium thi s last Saturday. That isn't bad at all. Now if we could learn to cheer like Wyoming fans that would be awesome.