Who are the finalists?

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » December 7th, 2018, 1:57 pm

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2004AG wrote: ↑
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GA is out
wow.

Who's in?
I don't know all of them, and there are probably more, but here's who I know that has/will interviewed....

Mark Helfrich
Beau Baldwin
Jay Hill
Mike Yurcich
Frank Maile
Very underwhelming list besides Jay Hill.

I have a bad feeling Hartwell is gonna screw this up.
No love for Baldwin? He was very good at Eastern Washington.

I guess Baldwin would be my second choice after Hill, CAL's offense has been HORRIBLE this year though. The problem is with the exception of Hill and Maile, those guys will all have one foot out of door.

JFW_AGGIES · Post by **JFW_AGGIES** » December 7th, 2018, 1:59 pm

Hartwell is going to go a new direction

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » December 7th, 2018, 1:59 pm

Only 2 of 5 have any chance of being here beyond 3 years and that’s Hill and Maile. The rest will either ride the wave of success and leave in 2-3 years or they’ll fail because they won’t follow the formula and be fired in 3 years.

Very disappointed if it’s not Hill now that Gary is out. Im

JFW_AGGIES · Post by **JFW_AGGIES** » December 7th, 2018, 2:01 pm

Hartwell is going to go a new direction

NVAggie · Post by **NVAggie** » December 7th, 2018, 2:01 pm

I don't really care who it is. I want someone that makes it happen right off the bat. This team has talent and there should be no drop off.

2004AG · Post by **2004AG** » December 7th, 2018, 2:03 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 1:59 pm
Only 2 of 5 have any chance of being here beyond 3 years and that’s Hill and Maile. The rest will either ride the wave of success and leave in 2-3 years or they’ll fail because they won’t follow the formula and be fired in 3 years.

Very disappointed if it’s not Hill now that Gary is out. Im

Well said Hipster. I 100% agree with you.

bluegrouse · Post by **bluegrouse** » December 7th, 2018, 2:08 pm

Hard to believe the reason he would withdraw is because of a lukewarm response but if that’s the case, it sure doesn’t appear that he really wants the job. If he just has a take it or leave it attitude (in other words, I’m fine where I am so this job doesn’t really matter to me), we’re better off with someone else.

hipsterdoofus21 · Post by **hipsterdoofus21** » December 7th, 2018, 2:13 pm

bluegrouse wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:08 pm
Hard to believe the reason he would withdraw is because of a lukewarm response but if that’s the case, it sure doesn’t appear that he really wants the job. If he just has a take it or leave it attitude (in other words, I’m fine where I am so this job doesn’t really matter to me), we’re better off with someone else.

Unless he was doing us a favor by returning and then felt his offer to coach wasn’t appreciated. So instead he’ll wait until Hartwell is gone maybe.

bluegrouse · Post by **bluegrouse** » December 7th, 2018, 2:15 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:13 pm

bluegrouse wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:08 pm
Hard to believe the reason he would withdraw is because of a lukewarm response but if that’s the case, it sure doesn’t appear that he really wants the job. If he just has a take it or leave it attitude (in other words, I’m fine where I am so this job doesn’t really matter to me), we’re better off with someone else.
Unless he was doing us a favor by returning and then felt his offer to coach wasn’t appreciated. So instead he’ll wait until Hartwell is gone maybe.

If he felt like he was doing us a favor, I’d rather have somebody else.

JFW_AGGIES · Post by **JFW_AGGIES** » December 7th, 2018, 2:17 pm

Sounds like Hartwell is trying to Barry Alverez thing's

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » December 7th, 2018, 2:19 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:03 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 1:59 pm
Only 2 of 5 have any chance of being here beyond 3 years and that’s Hill and Maile. The rest will either ride the wave of success and leave in 2-3 years or they’ll fail because they won’t follow the formula and be fired in 3 years.

Very disappointed if it’s not Hill now that Gary is out. Im
Well said Hipster. I 100% agree with you.

Same here. We need someone who can build upon what we have while maintaining our 3 pillar recruiting philosophy that has been proven to work. If Hartwell goes in a completely different direction we will take a big step back imo.

Elkaggie · Post by **Elkaggie** » December 7th, 2018, 2:19 pm

2004AG wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:03 pm

hipsterdoofus21 wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 1:59 pm
Only 2 of 5 have any chance of being here beyond 3 years and that’s Hill and Maile. The rest will either ride the wave of success and leave in 2-3 years or they’ll fail because they won’t follow the formula and be fired in 3 years.

Very disappointed if it’s not Hill now that Gary is out. Im
Well said Hipster. I 100% agree with you.

Same here. We need someone who can build upon what we have while maintaining our 3 pillar recruiting philosophy that has been proven to work. If Hartwell goes in a completely different direction we will take a big step back imo.

wacfan08 · Post by **wacfan08** » December 7th, 2018, 2:25 pm

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bluegrouse · Post by **bluegrouse** » December 7th, 2018, 2:28 pm

wacfan08 wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:25 pm
I am WACFAN08 and I approve of this message.

Which message? That GA is out?

AngusAg · Post by **AngusAg** » December 7th, 2018, 2:40 pm

From rat's list, the only two names I have an interest in is Hill and Maile. WTS, I don't know who else is being considered.

slcagg · Post by **slcagg** » December 7th, 2018, 2:48 pm

If no GA then bring on Jay Hill with keeping Collins, frank and Uana.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » December 7th, 2018, 2:55 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:48 pm
If no GA then bring on Jay Hill with keeping Collins, frank and Uana.

chances of that happening... slim and none.... with emphasis on the none

coolag · Post by **coolag** » December 7th, 2018, 2:59 pm

Get Jay under contract and get rolling.

BigBlueDart · Post by **BigBlueDart** » December 7th, 2018, 3:04 pm

coolag wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:59 pm
Get Jay under contract and get rolling.

If it is him we won't be seeing an announcement tonight. They play their quarterfinal game tonight at 6pm. It's on ESPN2. I know I'm going to give it a watch!

ineptimusprime · Post by **ineptimusprime** » December 7th, 2018, 3:21 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:55 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:48 pm
If no GA then bring on Jay Hill with keeping Collins, frank and Uana.
chances of that happening... slim and none.... with emphasis on the none

Confused. What is slim to none? Getting Jay Hill or getting Jay Hill and keeping the other guys?

AGGIEinIOWA · Post by **AGGIEinIOWA** » December 7th, 2018, 3:22 pm

BigBlueDart wrote:
coolag wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:59 pm
Get Jay under contract and get rolling.
If it is him we won't be seeing an announcement tonight. They play their quarterfinal game tonight at 6pm. It's on ESPN2. I know I'm going to give it a watch!

So, should we:
A) Be cheering that Weber loses tonight so we can get the Hill deal done ASAP and he can get focused 100% on all things USU?
OR
B) Be pulling for the Wildcats to win tonight and keep marching through the FCS playoffs. If we do hire him he won’t be entirely available for a few weeks but will come with a little more luster when he does come?

brownjeans · Post by **brownjeans** » December 7th, 2018, 3:30 pm

Would love Jay Hill as the choice, would hate Helfrich as the choice, would be afraid but hopeful with a choice of Maile, Baldwin, or Yurcich.

Post by **GeoAg** » December 7th, 2018, 3:33 pm

Helfrich would also be my last choice as well.

@ggies · Post by **@ggies** » December 7th, 2018, 3:44 pm

Eww. That list makes me gag. I would take GA over any of them in a heart beat. I think Hartwell was rather set on NOT hiring GA. I think that is dumb, especially since he knows the program and I think he would stick around. Really don't want to have to be trying to find another new coach in a couple of years.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » December 7th, 2018, 3:46 pm

ineptimusprime wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:21 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:55 pm

slcagg wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:48 pm
If no GA then bring on Jay Hill with keeping Collins, frank and Uana.
chances of that happening... slim and none.... with emphasis on the none
Confused. What is slim to none? Getting Jay Hill or getting Jay Hill and keeping the other guys?

I'm confident it will not be Jay Hill, not even sure we'll even interview him. But what do I know?

JFW_AGGIES · Post by **JFW_AGGIES** » December 7th, 2018, 3:52 pm

We already have

Post by **GeoAg** » December 7th, 2018, 3:54 pm

JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:52 pm
We already have

I would love Jay Hill as the next USU head coach.

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » December 7th, 2018, 3:57 pm

GeoAg wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:54 pm

JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:52 pm
We already have
I would love Jay Hill as the next USU head coach.

This. Listen to my friend the geology man.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » December 7th, 2018, 3:57 pm

@ggies wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:44 pm
Eww. That list makes me gag. I would take GA over any of them in a heart beat. I think Hartwell was rather set on NOT hiring GA. I think that is dumb, especially since he knows the program and I think he would stick around. Really don't want to have to be trying to find another new coach in a couple of years.

after we fired BG we ended up giving a courtesy interview to JLS as I recall. It didn't go too well. JLS thought we should have been begging for him to return because he was so "successful" here. Well sometimes that attitude wont get you very far, and then you end up finishing up your career at some Podunk DII school that fires you for being a loser.

I hope the best for GA though, he seems like a good guy and I always liked him. BUT with that said, I don't think he's the right fit for us now. Things change.

AGGIEinIOWA · Post by **AGGIEinIOWA** » December 7th, 2018, 3:57 pm

I'm a little surprised at the responses to Helfrich being a possible candidate. I understand his last year at Oregon was bad, but he had some really good teams and results prior to that. I mean the dude took the Ducks to the national championship game in his second year. They beat an undefeated Florida State team in the CFP- Semi final and then lost to Urban's Ohio State team in the national championship game. That Buckeye team had 16 NFL draft picks in the starting lineup (6 of them were 1st rounders). The Ducks were even in that game up until the 4th quarter. Sure he inherited a lot of Chip Kelly's players but he had to guide them and keep that success going. He basically molded Mariota as Helfrich was OC and QB coach there before he was HC. He has a tone of experience coaching good QB's and could be great for Jordan Love. Even his first and third years at Oregon were decent (finished 9th and 19th respectively in the AP poll). I'm not sure what happened in year 4 but the wheels did definitely fall off. Hartwell would need to look into what happened there. I'm not sure when we'll ever get another opportunity to hire a coach that lead a team to a #2 ranking, Rose Bowl victory, and championship game appearance less than 4 years earlier. Heck maybe Helfrich hires Chip Kelly as our OC after next season when he gets axed at UCLA.

For the record I would support Jay Hill and think he'd be a good fit.

Yurcich is interesting but not having any HC experience at any level is a bit concerning. His Ok State offenses have been fun to watch though and I don't think we'd see any offensive drop-off from this season. He's proven to be an effective OC in a big conference and sustained it for a longer period. I think he's a better candidate than Yost would be.

I want Maile to stay on staff, maybe even as DC, or at least D-Line coach and associate head coach or something like that. Not sure he's quite ready for HC. Maybe Maile gets the HC job in 3-4 years after we make a NY6 bowl and Helfrich leaves or Hill goes to Utah.

Beau Baldwin would be my last choice

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » December 7th, 2018, 3:58 pm

Madmartigan wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:57 pm

GeoAg wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:54 pm

JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:52 pm
We already have
I would love Jay Hill as the next USU head coach.
This. Listen to my friend the geology man.

Believe what you want

Madmartigan · Post by **Madmartigan** » December 7th, 2018, 3:59 pm

ViAggie wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:58 pm

Madmartigan wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:57 pm

GeoAg wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:54 pm

JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:52 pm
We already have
I would love Jay Hill as the next USU head coach.
This. Listen to my friend the geology man.
Believe what you want

Believe that I would love hiring Hill? Sure. Not too much effort to be had there.

ViAggie · Post by **ViAggie** » December 7th, 2018, 3:59 pm

AGGIEinIOWA wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 3:57 pm
I'm a little surprised at the responses to Helfrich being a possible candidate. I understand his last year at Oregon was bad, but he had some really good teams and results prior to that. I mean the dude took the Ducks to the national championship game in his second year. They beat an undefeated Florida State team in the CFP- Semi final and then lost to Urban's Ohio State team in the national championship game. That Buckeye team had 16 NFL draft picks in the starting lineup (6 of them were 1st rounders). The Ducks were even in that game up until the 4th quarter. Sure he inherited a lot of Chip Kelly's players but he had to guide them and keep that success going. He basically molded Mariota as Helfrich was OC and QB coach there before he was HC. He has a tone of experience coaching good QB's and could be great for Jordan Love. Even his first and third years at Oregon were decent (finished 9th and 19th respectively in the AP poll). I'm not sure what happened in year 4 but the wheels did definitely fall off. Hartwell would need to look into what happened there. I'm not sure when we'll ever get another opportunity to hire a coach that lead a team to a #2 ranking, Rose Bowl victory, and championship game appearance less than 4 years earlier. Heck maybe Helfrich hires Chip Kelly as our OC after next season when he gets axed at UCLA.

For the record I would support Jay Hill and think he'd be a good fit.

Yurcich is interesting but not having any HC experience at any level is a bit concerning. His Ok State offenses have been fun to watch though and I don't think we'd see any offensive drop-off from this season. He's proven to be an effective OC in a big conference and sustained it for a longer period. I think he's a better candidate than Yost would be.

I want Maile to stay on staff, maybe even as DC, or at least D-Line coach and associate head coach or something like that. Not sure he's quite ready for HC. Maybe Maile gets the HC job in 3-4 years after we make a NY6 bowl and Helfrich leaves or Hill goes to Utah.

Beau Baldwin would be my last choice

Sell it baby sell it!

newhouse9 · Post by **newhouse9** » December 7th, 2018, 4:00 pm

JFW_AGGIES wrote: ↑
December 7th, 2018, 2:17 pm
Sounds like Hartwell is trying to Barry Alverez thing's

Are you thinking or feeling that Hartwell is somehow copying the way Alvarez managed things at Wisconsin?

I hope we never have an AD who allows a coach to be the tail that wags the dog. I also hope we never have an AD that keeps a bust of himself or herself in the head football coach's office!

Usurossco · Post by **Usurossco** » December 7th, 2018, 4:13 pm

Can someone verify that Hartwell is actually still looking for a head coach? No comment for a week now and no hire odd. Update us.

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