Robinson or Scarver

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » November 3rd, 2021, 3:38 pm

Kevin Robinson or Savon Scarver.

Scarver has been an incredible returner, and All-American and (hopefully) a record-setter in return touchdowns.

Having said that, I think Robinson was better. Robinson was a much more reliable receiving threat along with being a great kick returner. I would take Kevin and not think twice about it.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » November 3rd, 2021, 3:51 pm

Scarver has a career KO return average of 28.3 yards/return with 7 total touchdowns. He also has 52 career receptions for 738 yards (14.2 ypc average) and 4 TDs. He has not returned a punt.

Robinson had a career KO return average of 24.8 yards/return with 4 touchdowns. He also had an incredible 14.2 yards/punt return average and 4 punt return touchdowns. He had 178 catches for 2485 yards (14.0 ypc average) and 21 receiving TDs.

newhouse9 · Post by **newhouse9** » November 3rd, 2021, 4:01 pm

Robinson could catch passes really well also.

Post by **aggies22** » November 3rd, 2021, 4:02 pm

Yossarian wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2021, 3:38 pm
Kevin Robinson or Savon Scarver.

Scarver has been an incredible returner, and All-American and (hopefully) a record-setter in return touchdowns.

Having said that, I think Robinson was better. Robinson was a much more reliable receiving threat along with being a great kick returner. I would take Kevin and not think twice about it.

K-Rob hands down. He was an offensive threat as well.

BearLakeMonster · Post by **BearLakeMonster** » November 3rd, 2021, 5:08 pm

What about Scarver vs. a mini-Robinson?

Blue Sage · Post by **Blue Sage** » November 3rd, 2021, 6:10 pm

K-Rob was an incredibly exciting player to watch. I love Scarver but K-Rob is DA man.

natco · Post by **natco** » November 3rd, 2021, 9:11 pm

I'd stick with K-Rob. The guy would never fair catch a punt (at least that I can recall) even if he defenders in his face which makes his return numbers even more impressive. Also played on the kickoff coverage team and would hang back to chase down the returner if he broke one. I'm pretty sure no one ever ran a kickoff back for a TD with him tracking guys down.

Sl7vk · Post by **Sl7vk** » November 3rd, 2021, 9:42 pm

Do we really have to do this that or this thing? Can we not celebrate all these guys as being great Aggies?!?

FeartheFro · Post by **FeartheFro** » November 3rd, 2021, 9:55 pm

Sl7vk wrote:Do we really have to do this that or this thing? Can we not celebrate all these guys as being great Aggies?!?

How is this not celebrating these guys being great Aggies? We love to compare GREAT Aggies. Don’t read the thread, problem solved.

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CanuckAggie · Post by **CanuckAggie** » November 3rd, 2021, 10:24 pm

K-Rob by a mile. He was a one man offense for a year or two there. Those were the days of the "attack punt" and the QB draw on third and long if I remember correctly. He was a lone bright spot amidst a black hole of ugly football. Don't get me wrong though, I love me some Savon and they are both Aggie legends.

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » November 3rd, 2021, 10:41 pm

K-Rob no question. Often times the best part of games was when the other team scored because there was a chance for an amazing play by Robinson on the kickoff.

ChicagoAggie · Post by **ChicagoAggie** » November 3rd, 2021, 10:42 pm

Is there any handicap on the competition each had to face? I’d say Scarver had to go against much better teams

I am going to edit my post. The stats that Yossarian provided above show how versatile Robinson was regardless of competition. I can’t believe he didn’t have a decent run in the NFL

Robinson

Post by **aggies22** » November 4th, 2021, 6:41 am

ChicagoAggie wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2021, 10:42 pm
Is there any handicap on the competition each had to face? I’d say Scarver had to go against much better teams

I am going to edit my post. The stats that Yossarian provided above show how versatile Robinson was regardless of competition. I can’t believe he didn’t have a decent run in the NFL

Robinson

He got hurt. He tore his ACL. When you are a fringe player in the NFL that's basically a death sentence.

Hoot · Post by **Hoot** » November 4th, 2021, 6:43 am

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 6:41 am

ChicagoAggie wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2021, 10:42 pm
Is there any handicap on the competition each had to face? I’d say Scarver had to go against much better teams

I am going to edit my post. The stats that Yossarian provided above show how versatile Robinson was regardless of competition. I can’t believe he didn’t have a decent run in the NFL

Robinson
He got hurt.

I didn’t know that. That’s too bad he’s one of my favorite all-time Aggies.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » November 4th, 2021, 10:17 am

Sl7vk wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2021, 9:42 pm
Do we really have to do this that or this thing? Can we not celebrate all these guys as being great Aggies?!?

The purpose is not to put anyone down, here. I think it is just the opposite. I would think it is a great compliment to the current Aggies to even be compared to some of the Aggie greats of the past. We can celebrate the great accomplishments of the current guys while also remembering former Aggies we enjoyed watching play.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » November 4th, 2021, 10:26 am

Lane or Taylor?

These discussions are fun.

AngusAg · Post by **AngusAg** » November 4th, 2021, 10:33 am

USU78 wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:26 am
Lane or Taylor?

These discussions are fun.

Lane. He was a Packer.

Aggie4ever · Post by **Aggie4ever** » November 4th, 2021, 10:37 am

I would say Lane too, but Allie had some amazing runs.

USU78 · Post by **USU78** » November 4th, 2021, 10:45 am

AngusAg wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:33 am

USU78 wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:26 am
Lane or Taylor?

These discussions are fun.
Lane. He was a Packer.

He was a Cardinal before that

And Taylor was a Lion.

newhouse9 · Post by **newhouse9** » November 4th, 2021, 10:54 am

Robinson had some early fumbles on punt returns that really hurt him also when he first joined the Chiefs.

OrangeCountyAggie · Post by **OrangeCountyAggie** » November 4th, 2021, 10:56 am

Yossarian wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2021, 3:51 pm
Scarver has a career KO return average of 28.3 yards/return with 7 total touchdowns. He also has 52 career receptions for 738 yards (14.2 ypc average) and 4 TDs. He has not returned a punt.

Robinson had a career KO return average of 24.8 yards/return with 4 touchdowns. He also had an incredible 14.2 yards/punt return average and 4 punt return touchdowns. He had 178 catches for 2485 yards (14.0 ypc average) and 21 receiving TDs.

I still don't understand why they don't have Scarver returning punts, we're not (currently) getting much from that unit.

Don't come at me with the nuanced differences between fielding a punt vs. a kickoff, Scarver is as capable if not more than anyone on the team to field punts. Maybe it's a personal choice?

sam tingey · Post by **sam tingey** » November 4th, 2021, 11:14 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:56 am

I still don't understand why they don't have Scarver returning punts, we're not (currently) getting much from that unit.

Don't come at me with the nuanced differences between fielding a punt vs. a kickoff, Scarver is as capable if not more than anyone on the team to field punts. Maybe it's a personal choice?

1) scarver drops the ball when he doesn't have space, same reason why he is not a good receiver.

2) it doesn't matter because he wouldn't return the punt anyway, as most of the time the punts have been very well covered and it is fair caught most of the time

3) You got to let some other guys play something. Nathan is very capable and does this role just fine.

4) this is definitely your personal choice and it is ok for you to want scarver there instead of nathan.

5) you've made this opinion known a lot so this question you ask comes across as picking on nathan, but that is just my interpretation and I can be way off.

USUaggie · Post by **USUaggie** » November 4th, 2021, 11:15 am

I'm coming at you. Scarver does not have the hands to be trusted to field punts. Give it up.

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Aggie19 · Post by **Aggie19** » November 4th, 2021, 11:25 am

USUaggie wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 11:15 am
I'm coming at you. Scarver does not have the hands to be trusted to field punts. Give it up.

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He doesn't even have the hands to be a legitimate WR threat with a guy running next to him, let alone a guy running full speed at him. It's a skill to be able to concentrate in traffic, he doesn't appear to have it. Watch him play WR, it's pretty clear.

OC, I think ya need to let it go, bud.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » November 4th, 2021, 11:52 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:56 am

Yossarian wrote: ↑
November 3rd, 2021, 3:51 pm
Scarver has a career KO return average of 28.3 yards/return with 7 total touchdowns. He also has 52 career receptions for 738 yards (14.2 ypc average) and 4 TDs. He has not returned a punt.

Robinson had a career KO return average of 24.8 yards/return with 4 touchdowns. He also had an incredible 14.2 yards/punt return average and 4 punt return touchdowns. He had 178 catches for 2485 yards (14.0 ypc average) and 21 receiving TDs.
I still don't understand why they don't have Scarver returning punts, we're not (currently) getting much from that unit.

Don't come at me with the nuanced differences between fielding a punt vs. a kickoff, Scarver is as capable if not more than anyone on the team to field punts. Maybe it's a personal choice?

Yeah, there is a difference between fielding a punt vs a kickoff. On a kick off there usually isn't a defender within 25 yards of the returner when catches the ball. He looks up only at the ball.

On a punt the returner looks skyward, then at the defenders, then back skyward. He catches the ball usually with two or three defenders within a few yards of him either yelling to distract him, or running full speed ready to drill him a split second after he catches the ball. The most important duty for a punt returner is to catch the ball, period.

Scarver can't catch a pass in traffic, he certainly can't catch a punt consistently.

FloridaAggie13 · Post by **FloridaAggie13** » November 4th, 2021, 11:52 am

sam tingey wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 11:14 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:56 am

I still don't understand why they don't have Scarver returning punts, we're not (currently) getting much from that unit.

Don't come at me with the nuanced differences between fielding a punt vs. a kickoff, Scarver is as capable if not more than anyone on the team to field punts. Maybe it's a personal choice?
1) scarver drops the ball when he doesn't have space, same reason why he is not a good receiver.

2) it doesn't matter because he wouldn't return the punt anyway, as most of the time the punts have been very well covered and it is fair caught most of the time

3) You got to let some other guys play something. Nathan is very capable and does this role just fine.

4) this is definitely your personal choice and it is ok for you to want scarver there instead of nathan.

5) you've made this opinion known a lot so this question you ask comes across as picking on nathan, but that is just my interpretation and I can be way off.

He has a quarrel with Jordan's mom on this board.

AngusAg · Post by **AngusAg** » November 4th, 2021, 12:18 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:45 am

AngusAg wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:33 am

USU78 wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:26 am
Lane or Taylor?

These discussions are fun.
Lane. He was a Packer.
He was a Cardinal before that

And Taylor was a Lion.

But Lane was an Aggie AND a Packer.

Yossarian · Post by **Yossarian** » November 4th, 2021, 12:24 pm

I can overlook (not necessarily forgive, but overlook) the fact that Lane was a Packer.

Some people's names just exude "football player". Tell me MacArthur Lane is not a football player's name.

I met Mr. Lane at an alumni event out here in the Bay Area a few years ago. I sat at his table for a luncheon with he and his brother and Donald Dicko. All three were cordial gentlemen and I enjoyed listening to them talk football and reminisce about their days at USU and Logan. All three the type of ambassadors that make USU look good. It was sad to lose MacArthur in 2019.

Post by **aggies22** » November 4th, 2021, 12:38 pm

sam tingey wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 11:14 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:56 am

I still don't understand why they don't have Scarver returning punts, we're not (currently) getting much from that unit.

Don't come at me with the nuanced differences between fielding a punt vs. a kickoff, Scarver is as capable if not more than anyone on the team to field punts. Maybe it's a personal choice?
1) scarver drops the ball when he doesn't have space, same reason why he is not a good receiver.

2) it doesn't matter because he wouldn't return the punt anyway, as most of the time the punts have been very well covered and it is fair caught most of the time

3) You got to let some other guys play something. Nathan is very capable and does this role just fine.

4) this is definitely your personal choice and it is ok for you to want scarver there instead of nathan.

5) you've made this opinion known a lot so this question you ask comes across as picking on nathan, but that is just my interpretation and I can be way off.

Reason #1 is the one and only reason why this isn't happening. Period. End of story.

OrangeCountyAggie · Post by **OrangeCountyAggie** » November 4th, 2021, 1:23 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 12:38 pm

sam tingey wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 11:14 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:56 am

I still don't understand why they don't have Scarver returning punts, we're not (currently) getting much from that unit.

Don't come at me with the nuanced differences between fielding a punt vs. a kickoff, Scarver is as capable if not more than anyone on the team to field punts. Maybe it's a personal choice?
1) scarver drops the ball when he doesn't have space, same reason why he is not a good receiver.

2) it doesn't matter because he wouldn't return the punt anyway, as most of the time the punts have been very well covered and it is fair caught most of the time

3) You got to let some other guys play something. Nathan is very capable and does this role just fine.

4) this is definitely your personal choice and it is ok for you to want scarver there instead of nathan.

Reason #1 is the one and only reason why this isn't happening. Period. End of story.

Fair enough. Sad he hasn't been able to figure it out, considering how good he is at kick-offs.

Speaking of K-Rob, during a few dismal seasons when he was playing, I remember taping Aggie games every week and then fast-forwarding to punts and kickoff just to see him go to work - the rest of it was unwatchable!

taniataylor · Post by **taniataylor** » November 4th, 2021, 8:41 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 1:23 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 12:38 pm

sam tingey wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 11:14 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:56 am

I still don't understand why they don't have Scarver returning punts, we're not (currently) getting much from that unit.

Don't come at me with the nuanced differences between fielding a punt vs. a kickoff, Scarver is as capable if not more than anyone on the team to field punts. Maybe it's a personal choice?
1) scarver drops the ball when he doesn't have space, same reason why he is not a good receiver.

2) it doesn't matter because he wouldn't return the punt anyway, as most of the time the punts have been very well covered and it is fair caught most of the time

3) You got to let some other guys play something. Nathan is very capable and does this role just fine.

4) this is definitely your personal choice and it is ok for you to want scarver there instead of nathan.

Reason #1 is the one and only reason why this isn't happening. Period. End of story.
Fair enough. Sad he hasn't been able to figure it out, considering how good he is at kick-offs.

Speaking of K-Rob, during a few dismal seasons when he was playing, I remember taping Aggie games every week and then fast-forwarding to punts and kickoff just to see him go to work - the rest of it was unwatchable!

UGGGH!!! fyi Jordan is 1st in the conference on PR so why remove him from that!? Ive never disliked someone so
much

ChicagoAggie · Post by **ChicagoAggie** » November 4th, 2021, 8:58 pm

USU78 wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:26 am
Lane or Taylor?

These discussions are fun.

Lionel Aldridge or Rulon Jones?

crazywookie · Post by **crazywookie** » November 6th, 2021, 12:07 pm

Travis Cox or Craig Harrison.

flying_scotsman2.0 · Post by **flying_scotsman2.0** » November 6th, 2021, 12:18 pm

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 1:23 pm

aggies22 wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 12:38 pm

sam tingey wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 11:14 am

OrangeCountyAggie wrote: ↑
November 4th, 2021, 10:56 am

I still don't understand why they don't have Scarver returning punts, we're not (currently) getting much from that unit.

Don't come at me with the nuanced differences between fielding a punt vs. a kickoff, Scarver is as capable if not more than anyone on the team to field punts. Maybe it's a personal choice?
1) scarver drops the ball when he doesn't have space, same reason why he is not a good receiver.

2) it doesn't matter because he wouldn't return the punt anyway, as most of the time the punts have been very well covered and it is fair caught most of the time

3) You got to let some other guys play something. Nathan is very capable and does this role just fine.

4) this is definitely your personal choice and it is ok for you to want scarver there instead of nathan.

Reason #1 is the one and only reason why this isn't happening. Period. End of story.
Fair enough. Sad he hasn't been able to figure it out, considering how good he is at kick-offs.

Speaking of K-Rob, during a few dismal seasons when he was playing, I remember taping Aggie games every week and then fast-forwarding to punts and kickoff just to see him go to work - the rest of it was unwatchable!

Scarver is fast and has good vision. He isn’t shifty enough for PRs. Plus the hands that might as well be in casts.

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